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Trans Am WS6
ramairwarrior, 04/04/2002
2000 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 2dr Hatchback
6 of 6 people found this review helpful
The LS1 WS6 Trans Am will get your adrenaline pumping as soon as you sit behind the wheel and turn the key. The Vette Based Aluminum Block V8 will do 0- 60 in 5.1 seconds, break loose into 2nd, and chirp into 3rd consistantly out of the box with no mods. Mustangs dont stand a chance. Interior wise, they could have tried to make it stand out from the other pontiacs. The guages and radios really dont differ from the bonneville or grand prix. However, the Prado leather seating is very comfortable and easy on the back. I would defienaty put the T-Top shades on for hot summer weather. All in all this is the hottest looking vehicle out.
4 Years in Germany @ 163.2 mph
Zebranapper, 01/26/2007
2000 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 2dr Hatchback
4 of 4 people found this review helpful
These cars are amazing. I moved to Germany in Dec 2000. Was there until Jan 05 and I had 6 miles (10 kilometers) of Autobahn everyday @163.2 miles per hour (except in the rain I slowed to 120 mph) which is where the STOCK rev limiter kicks in (5th Gear 5750 rpm) Then drop it in 6th the car slows to 150 mph at 3700 rpm. At 110 miles per hour I got 26 Miles per gallon on a 300 mile trip. For $28,000 new you still can't beat me for the bang for $. I am returning to Germany this Spring for 4 more years (maybe more if I can retire there) of exquisite experiences of running down the autobahn at small aircraft velocities and still get reasonable gas mileage. Minor mods make this and excellent "Bahn Burner
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Best bang for the buck
Jules301h, 01/13/2003
2000 Pontiac Firebird Formula 2dr Hatchback
4 of 4 people found this review helpful
My car made 308RWHP on a dyno with minor mods, that's around 360HP at the engine. The engine is greatly underrated by GM to make the corvette look better. Mods are cheap and these cars can easily run 12's in the 1/4. The engine has great power, but the car does not handle well due to body roll. Suspension mods like new shocks and sway bar quickly fix this. The auto trans is excellent and nearly as fast as the manual. If you are looking for a fast car that has great mod potential, this is the one.
Still fun, more reliable than expected
terminaldegree, 08/09/2006
2000 Pontiac Firebird 2dr Hatchback
4 of 4 people found this review helpful
I have a manual transmission base model as my daily driver. It accelerates, brakes, and corners well while managing to be decently comfortable and returning great highway MPG on cheap 87 octane gas. It's the quintessential cheap sporty car. Performance add-ons I recommend without affecting reliability include a dual exhaust, Pro 5.0 shifter (WAY more precise), a Torsen limited-slip rear (expensive but very different experience than the open diff), and the ubiquitous aftermarket stereo system. When cleaned up it still gets a lot of compliments.
Love Trans Ams
Shell'sSSR, 09/07/2008
2000 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 2dr Hatchback
3 of 3 people found this review helpful
I have been driving a Trans Am since 1981. My first one was a 1979 4.9 gold one that was 2 yrs. old when I bought it. My best and favorite one! I drove it for 200,000 miles and had the engine rebuilt. Loved that car. Drove it for 17 yrs. Then ordered my 1997 Trans in 1996, then my 2000. I've been giving her a rest because now I also own a 2004 Chevy SSR. I really like vehicles. We are G.M. people only because of my brother, Mike, who worked for them before his sudden death in 11- 05. Miss him severely. I used his gm discount on my 2000, so I probably will never let this car go. My car is very clean,never in any kind of crash, babied like no other (except the SSR) and only has 50,000 mi.
I love my Trans Am!
md4dmse, 11/17/2008
2000 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 2dr Convertible
3 of 3 people found this review helpful
I got this car before I got pregnant with twins, so it doesn't see as much use now as it used to. The WS6 coupled with the convertible was actually my dream car and I was amazed and thrilled when I got it! It has never disappointed me at all. At 8 years old with close to 90k, I've only replaced a wheel bearing and a window motor outside of regular maintenence. A pretty good record if you ask me. The gas mileage is unbelievable for this 5.7 too! I use Bosch platinum plugs and get over 30mpg when I keep the air filter clean. I have absolutely no complaints with this car after 4 and a half years of ownership, and I still drive it multiple times weekly even since the twins! Can't go wrong!
Yes it is and NO you can't
Craig, 03/14/2006
2000 Pontiac Firebird 2dr Hatchback
2 of 2 people found this review helpful
Best car I've had. Awesome throtle response for a V-6. Handles great in the curves. The title of my review is my front license plate. Yes it's fast and NO you cant drive it. Its my first but not my last. The only car I have owned that outshined this was my 1972 Chevelle. The only problem is seating in the back... cramped, but not for me. I'm Driving.
Slammed and Cammed LS1
Willy, 11/30/2009
2000 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 2dr Hatchback
2 of 2 people found this review helpful
This is my third fbody and by far the fastest. I have modified the cars exhaust, intake, suspension, upgraded to a larger cam shaft, wheels, tires, 4.10 gears. To this day I am leaving cars 4-5 times its worth in the dust. I use it as a daily driver with a large cam and a very loud glasspack exhaust. The only problem the car has ever given me was a dead battery. It is an absolute thrill to drive and to this day still turns heads with its agressive black exterior and functional ram air hood. All the options still work, AC blows cold. Heater works unbelievably good. No oil leaks or burning. Seats are comfortable, even though the "leather" looks sort of plain. Over all this is a great car
Harley Davidson Of Automobiles
CHIEF TA, 11/04/2002
2000 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 2dr Hatchback
2 of 2 people found this review helpful
Thundering exhaust, tire smoking torque, sexy curves - all with 26 MPG on the highway! Too bad everyone's so hooked on the boxy dullness of SUV's that they've allowed these cars to die.
By Far, The Best Sports Car Under 45k
TomG, 06/19/2002
2000 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 2dr Hatchback
2 of 2 people found this review helpful
I bought my 2000 Bright Red Trans Am in early August of 2000 after repeatedly test driving Mustangs, Eclipses, Celicas, and even a BMW 3 series. What I wanted was a sporty, fun, and fast car for around 25 - 30k. I have every option except for the WS6 package (3k for 15 horses?) I opted for the 4 speed auto rather than the Hurst 6 speed which I found to be clumsy with long throws and an imprecise feel, not to mention that horrid skip shift. The performance of this car is just unreal. I haven't had any problems thus far in the 1.5 years that I've had it. The Monsoon sound system is simply amazing. I would reccomend this car to anyone who loves driving.
The Perfect Sports Car
ANDY1171665, 12/08/2004
2000 Pontiac Firebird Formula 2dr Hatchback
3 of 4 people found this review helpful
We all know you can buy a Honda Civic and put $10,000 into it to make it a nice car. Why not just buy one of these Firebirds and have the better looking car, and the performance. Do not be fooled by editor's bias towards import cars. This lovely car does twice as much as they can, has more features and looks better. Don't be the butt of everyone's "deck out your cheap Honda" jokes, and be the envy, get the Firebird!
2000 WS6
Dr. Ned, 09/10/2003
2000 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 2dr Hatchback
2 of 3 people found this review helpful
My 2000 WS6 is the 3rd Pontiac I've owned in a row. The car handles like a dream, it was purchased used with the skip shift eliminator already installed, along with 4.11s for the gears. The only problem I've had is tearing through the teeth on the pinion. The stock GM 10-bolt rear axle just cannot handle over 350HP. Stock the car is 340, so any modifications and you will most likely have axle problems. Next upgrade, SLP 12-Bolt.
Find of a lifetime
Zabo, 07/18/2010
2000 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 2dr Hatchback
2 of 3 people found this review helpful
Found my 'bird neglected but with extremely low mileage at a Ford dealership for a good price. While I was more of a Camaro guy myself this car made me a convert right quick. For a 10 year old F-Body this car does show it's age in some places, but still looks, feels, and arguably quite relevant in today's day and age. Granted the mileage isn't even a shadow compared to newer cars but you have to ask "Self, why did I buy it?" However, I will say that if you want more than stock; be prepared to turn this car from stocker to rocker as in it's stock form this car is already stretching it's limits. But since when did anyone buy a muscle car and keep it stock?
Poor Quality
JNas, 07/23/2008
2000 Pontiac Firebird 2dr Hatchback
2 of 4 people found this review helpful
I bought this vehicle for my son back in 2000. It's done nothing but cost me money. Things that normally don't tear up on vehicles fall apart on this vehicle. From the power windows going bad, emission problems, replaced fuel tank and pump, replaced rear diff, pinion seal, replaced numerous lights switches, power steering pump leaked and on and on. I've spend almost as much money in keeping this car running as I did when I bought it new. This car has only 68,000 miles on it. My toyota 4 runner has 165,000 and I've only had to replace the brakes. I'll never buy another American made car.
53 and my new muscle car
cness05, 07/04/2007
2000 Pontiac Firebird Formula 2dr Hatchback
1 of 1 people found this review helpful
This car is hot. Red 5.7 V8,6 speed trans with out the skip shift. It has great looks.drives like a dream,and more get up and go than my 72 Camaro had. But this car's ride is much better ,and will set you back in your seat very quickly. As far as fuel mileage it does not matter, what a thrill to drive. To sum this car up GM made a mistake dropping the Firebird and Camaro lines. I love this car and will keep it a long time. This car is priceless.
i love my bird
baby81doll, 04/12/2011
2000 Pontiac Firebird Formula 2dr Hatchback
1 of 1 people found this review helpful
i was looking to buy a camaro when i saw the silver firebird and fell in love i paid to much for it but wouldnt get rid of it for anything ive had to do some repairs on different things but ill do what it takes to keep it rolling on.
The Ultimate Sleeper
Richy Rich, 09/25/2003
2000 Pontiac Firebird Formula 2dr Hatchback
1 of 1 people found this review helpful
If you ever pull up beside a quiet sounding Formula Firebird, don't test it. This is the fastest car I've ever drove. And most the people I show it to assume its a 6 cyl. because of the stock exhaust. The Firebirds are some of the best looking cars on the market, and the 350V8 Really backs its up.
dream car
ta12sec, 02/09/2003
2000 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 2dr Hatchback
1 of 1 people found this review helpful
My firehawk is my 4th f body. My first and second both were less then ideal as daily drivers and my 3rd was a highly modified 86 that ran 10 second 1/4miles. but again far from a good all around car. My firehawk has it all enough power to destroy the 275/40/17 firestone firehawks in first and second and shifting into third often gets a solid chirp or sets off the traction control. It will tear through a corner that a lesser car would quiver at. I average 30 mpg+ on the freeway and find it to be a very comfortable cruiser.
Great sports car
johnpr, 02/06/2008
2000 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 2dr Hatchback
1 of 1 people found this review helpful
I have enjoyed every moment with this car, I have traveled across the country in this vehicle and have allways enjoyed the ride and the power on demand feel of this car. The only reliability issue I have ever had with this was when the battery died. This is hardly an issue though as that is a normal maintenance item. Anyhow, great car with a great ride and comfort.
Horrible squeaking and rattling.
Magnus, 08/07/2002
2000 Pontiac Firebird Formula 2dr Hatchback
1 of 1 people found this review helpful
The rattle started after only 1200 miles. The squeaking started the first summer when it got warmer. I have had it in the shop over 10 times and nothing has been done. They have all heard the noices but have not been able to fix the problem. It is obviously a lemon. But no one takes responsibility for it. Good warrenty, NOT.
Ultimate Driving Machine
Hockeystud, 05/22/2002
2000 Pontiac Firebird Formula 2dr Hatchback
1 of 2 people found this review helpful
The Pontiac Formula/Trans Am is the ultimate driving machine. If you are an enthusiast who loves speed and power this car is for you. When driving down the road, you will get looks from just about anyone because of the sleek design. Mine is the Navy Blue Metallic, so I get comments about it looking like the Batmobile. I haven't found anything wrong with it yet. The Bird is definitely the top in it's class. p.s. Mustangs & Camaros suck.
fast for a V6
tireburner1997, 10/22/2014
2000 Pontiac Firebird 2dr Convertible
2 of 7 people found this review helpful
fun car to drive! this thing handles like a dream! the v6 is reasonable fast for a v6 but a LeBaron is faster in a straight line. there is a few things I don't like though, in the dry I can floor it and it well not do a burn out! however in the ran this thing is a drift car! but I have really good tires on it. I rated the "reliability" so low so because the check engine light come on every time it hits 5500 rpm which is no were near the 6100 rev limiter
muscle car mania
rupp, 12/03/2004
2000 Pontiac Firebird Formula 2dr Hatchback
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
Wow! Absolutely mindblowing acceleration and handling! Used to own a Mustang GT and there is no comparison. Aftermarket add-ons to increase horsepower are extremely inexpensive so you can do all kind of things to the motor real cheap! Love it!!
Fun on a part time basis only
Omer, 10/02/2003
2000 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 2dr Hatchback
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
Hey, 18 months with my Trans am and I love alot of things with it. The ls1 has tons of torque all 6 gears, It's a fast car, turns heads, and attract attenion, but the reliablity brings this car down. The problems with the car are numberus, first of all engine reliability, the push rods bend so easily, other than that-- no engine problems. The rear axel is very sentitive. Lost my rear end at 60mph twice @ 46,000 and 47,000 miles. They upgraded the clutch in 2001 for a reason (2001s have 'vette z06 spec clutch). Fast? Yes. Fun? Yes. Satisifed? Yes. Holds Value? (relative to market) Yes. Reliablity? No!
Baddest car on the road!
TACruiser, 10/23/2003
2000 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 2dr Hatchback
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
I bought my 2000 TA, WS6 with one intention... To own my dream car!!! This car is the coolest ride on the road with tons of power! I put 400 hp in this ride, a killer sound system and a lot of extra goodies!
SLP
sweetsears, 10/16/2003
2000 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 2dr Hatchback
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
I have had the car since new, 13 miles. I have yet to have a major mechanical malfunction. I have had to have in the shop once for a o ring that was loose off of the EGR. Overall no problems.
Firebird V6 (My 1st car at 18 yrs. old)
TexasBird, 01/06/2004
2000 Pontiac Firebird 2dr Hatchback
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
*Performance 5: V6, very weak. Has tendency to embarrass you. *Comfort 8: Front seats very supportive. *Fuel Economy 7: Great everyday driver. I got 31 mpg on I-10 for a road trip. *Fun to Drive 6: Only good for lookin' good. Get flirted with a lot more. *Ext. Design 10: Great aggressive stance and body look. *Int. Design 9: Cheap plastic buttons don't look good. Red glow of instruments at night is awesome. *Build Quality 8: No squeaks, leaks, rattles etc. You get what you pay for. Trans Am's are a lot better built. *Reliability 8: Only thing to break is pop up headlights and CD player.
Some good some bad
WS6, 12/11/2002
2000 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 2dr Hatchback
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
WS6 Trans-Am The Bad Interior cheap. Dash cracked. Passenger window rolls down slow. Drivers side door cracking (molding). Service engine light (bad air-pump). Poor excuse for traction control. Clutch slips when "performing" with too much weight (people in car). Stock tires crap! Speakers went POOOF! Rotors warped (110-0 doe!). "Backfire" noise when cold (lack of back pressure). Hate the skip-shift. The Good Hard hitting, throat tearing raw torque. My 6sp hurst shifted trans-am hits hard when I put it to the floor (new tires). Performs well around corners for the size of the car, suspension is stiff. Handles nice at high speeds 100+.
Firebird Rating
Cheri, 01/02/2006
2000 Pontiac Firebird 2dr Hatchback
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
The steering and handling are outstanding and the car has been reliable.
fast rhino
yzcoach, 02/12/2004
2000 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 2dr Hatchback
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
This is my 2nd Trans Am but my first with Ram Air. Living in Colorado you would think it was a poor choice for a year 'round car but it is a good winter car with Blizzacs mounted all the way around. Careful use of the gears, acclearator and fast shifting keeps it moving. It has the torque of a John Deer. I love this car!!
Fun to drive/ride
Xavier Sanders, 12/05/2002
2000 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 2dr Hatchback
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
I've had a 5.0 Mustang. I've had a 4.6 & 4.7 Mustang. I've had 91 camaro with a 350. They were fun cars. The PONTIAC TRANS AM. The best car I've ever owned or driven. I used to work at a Porsche Dealership. I have driven the Porsche 911 twin turbo. Its a nice car. If they were both evenly matched in price...................... It wouldn't be a second though. I would pick the TRANS AM (with the WS6 Package of course!!!)
heads turn
carol51, 01/24/2003
2000 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 2dr Hatchback
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
The vehicle is garage kept, and used only in the spring and summer which is why the mileage is so low. The color is pewter, the interior is black leather. It is an automatic. The only problem is the insurance because my son is on the family insurance policy. He is 19 and even though he doesn't drive it, the insurance company lists him as as occasional driver. It is the best sports vehicle we ever owned.
Firebird
Adrian2004, 03/03/2004
2000 Pontiac Firebird 2dr Hatchback
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
Incredible handling of road, great acceleration and continued high speed, turns in a dime and stops better than other cars tried. Will make heads turn as you drive by.
Transam "turns the ladies' heads" - '04
brandnu4u, 03/12/2004
2000 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 2dr Hatchback
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
I have owned a 2000 Black Ram Air Transam with T-tops for approximately one year. It is, by far, the best sports car around for the money (VALUE). Insurance rates are ridiculous, so I am not sure how long I will be able to keep it since I recently received a traffic violation which will send my rates out of the universe!! I will miss this car greatly if and when I have to sell it to another lucky owner. Awesome power, Great look, and fun to drive. More fun than any car I have driven thus far in my life. KC (age 36)
Great Vehicle
MOI, 10/29/2008
2000 Pontiac Firebird 2dr Hatchback
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
This car has never had a problem, we have never done anything but normal maintenance. It has also lived in California, New Mexico and Minnesota, and has done well everywhere
Gotta Love It
CobraKiller, 01/28/2003
2000 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 2dr Hatchback
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
Love this car, the only Mistake GM made is not making it after 2002. Little things that can be done to increase airflow, and it is so much fun. Sometimes I drive other cars/SUVs home but I always miss my TransAm. Replacing the factory Goodyear tires is a must, Firestone Firehawks are a must, better handling in the rain then the car did on dry pavement.
I love it!
Cyrad2, 03/30/2004
2000 Pontiac Firebird 2dr Hatchback
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
I have owned the car for 3 years now. I drive it everyday. I get comments on it all the time, and the best part is wiping the smiles of the pansies driving mustangs. Great bang-for-buck car. I can't wait to trade up to a T/A!
00 firebird
siamese dream, 02/26/2004
2000 Pontiac Firebird 2dr Hatchback
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
the stock spoiler is kind of annoying when it rains because it puddles up, and the door is heavy. other than that it's fine
Shame it's gone...
nemeses, 03/10/2004
2000 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 2dr Hatchback
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
Purchased vehicle used in 2003. Still looks and drives great with 48,000 miles. Only issue I have with the vehicle is the weak rear differential. Went out once and is going out again.
WS6 TO GOOOOO
duane, 01/29/2003
2000 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 2dr Hatchback
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
This has got to be one of the best cars to drive not to mention the FASTEST. The pure power that the car has on tap is unreal. I would recommend if you are going to buy one make sure to try and find a WS6 or a Firehawk. I have the WS6 and it is definately a FORD killer.
Formula WS6
attack, 04/26/2004
2000 Pontiac Firebird Formula 2dr Hatchback
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
Best car I've ever owned.
Great bird
JRMUNC, 09/27/2004
2000 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 2dr Hatchback
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
Car drives great handles like a dream.Great looks inside and out.Sound system is wonderful.T-tops slide in and out with ease.
I've died and gone to heaven!!!!
Carla V, 06/12/2004
2000 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 2dr Hatchback
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
I just got this car, but have been dreaming about it for years!! My 3rd firebird and my favorite!! Took me a long time to find exactly what I wanted...black, ram air, WS6, 6 speed, t-tops. I can't wait to race it!! Anyone who thinks their luxury car is better can kiss my butt!! I'm sad they don't make them anymore, so if you want one better get one while you still can before they are all worn out and used up!!
Love my Trans Am WS6
Kellie Morris, 04/23/2004
2000 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 2dr Hatchback
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
I love my car, Im very upset that Gm doesnt make Trans Ams anymore, I would love to purchase in a few years a brand new Trans Am , I wouldnt want to trade this car for any other car unless it could be a brand new Trans Am, or possibly if they would make Camaro SS again also, but I would rather have my Trans Am! Gm made the biggest mistake when they stoped making the Trans Ams and Camaros, there is not another car out there that i would even think about haveing!
True Muscle Car!
RLG, 09/10/2002
2000 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 2dr Hatchback
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
I have had this car for 2 years now. It is the best car I have ever had. The Mustang owner I come across must hate it. Not one stang has beat this beast.
Best Bang for the Buck
MalteseFalcon, 02/09/2003
2000 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 2dr Hatchback
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
WS6 / Ram Air six-speed version. Turns heads, handles extremely well, is much faster than anything else in the price range. An enthusiast's car. Hard to get into, ride is very firm, but seats provide good support and it sticks like glue in the corners. No warranty work or reliability problems with the car. 15 passes down the drag strip. Best I can do is 14.1 at 100 mph; better driver would see high 13's. Excellent highway and city gas mileage. Kids in back seat can't actually see anything but the back of the front seats. Skip shift is annoying, but can be easily disabled using a widely available kit that sells for about $30.00 US.
Let the muscle car live....
Staab, 02/14/2003
2000 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 2dr Hatchback
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
I've had nothing but fun with my Ram Air. Since I've bought it, all I've had to do is change the oil; and tires of course :)
I LOVE MY CAR
OMG, 07/31/2003
2000 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 2dr Hatchback
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
This is the third Firebird I've ordered. Two Formulas and now a WS6 Trans Am. All of them Black. All of them 6-speeds. This car is SO bad. Power/fun/adrenaline/class! It's my baby and I love it!! It's spotless and looks brand new. Sounds awesome with just the back seat down and a Holley Power Shot air filter! I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY QUIT MAKING THEM! What will I do????
Nothing can top this
Airez, 11/05/2004
2000 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 2dr Hatchback
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
I got my car as a certifiedused vehicle from GeneralMotors. I love the whole Firehawk appearence package. Car is even better in stick. This car does 14's with ease, if you put some slicks, even low thirteens.
2000 WS6 Ram Air Trans Am
sprite, 04/03/2002
2000 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 2dr Hatchback
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
Brings a smile everytime you look at it and drive it. Power and comfort with leather interior and 325 horspower. 500 watt monsson stereo with 12 disc changer and t-tops means nothing else comes close to driving enjoyment. Ignore automotive journalists who write poor reviews. This car is for people who enjoy driving, not over the hill automobile writers who's bones creak if they are not sitting in a BMW.