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Possibly the best convertible "sporty" car today!
Overall, this is the best convertible I have ever owned, and I have owned 7 convertibles prior to this purchase, one of which was an outstanding 2005 BMW 330ci convertible! I traded in a 2013 Audi A6 and 2008 Porsche Boxster for this car, trying to get a combination that best reflected those 2 cars combined. The BMW is not a sports car, nor is it intended to be, but it has the feel of one! It is by far the quietest convertible I have owned, measured both by top up and down. The wind reflector really helps, but it only works with people in the front seats. The back seats are "adequate" for adults around town, but not for long trips. The heated neck ventilator is wonderful anytime it is below 68 degrees. I deeply value a strong sound system, particularly with the top down, and the Harman Kardon system does not disappoint. We have taken several 7 hour plus trips, and it is very comfortable on the long trips, top up or down. The engine and transmission are smooth and powerful, and they are more than 90% of the owners would ever want or need. I loved my 2005 BMW, but this car is much sleeker, with a larger and more comfortable interior. The trunk and fold down rear seat are outstanding with the top up, and more that adequate when down. We comfortably took a week long trip to the beach with beach chairs and top down, which you couldn't do in most hard top convertibles. I have the following criticisms: 1) A luxury convertible should have available ventilated seats, and they are NOT an option, 2) the navigation and sound system are not as intuitive or efficient as in the Audi, and 3) the climate control is not fully automatic, it requires you to manually adjust the fan's speed and vent direction. Overall, these are minor detractors, but changes BMW needs to make in this car. I have owned the car for 5 months, and I truly love driving it and am fully pleased with my purchase, and confidently recommend this car if it is what you are seeking!
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Happy NC driver
I just bought a 2015 428i last month. I added a backup camera and the oyster dakota leather seats but kept the price under $42K. The 2015 model also comes with bluetooth streaming. (The tech is OK but not on par with many other 2015 offerings from a range of brands.) I'm a big guy (6'3" and 300lbs) but I fit nicely in the wider, longer interior of the 428i whereas I always had trouble in a 3 series. I was also a bit cramped in the 2015 MB C300 and I didn't fit at all in the new Acura TLX. In my opinion, the ride, transmission, and handling are far superior to my previous two cars (an Infiniti G37 and Lexus ES350). The closest competitor is the 2015 MB C300 (or wait for 2017 Audi A5).
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Love BMWS - First Hardtop Convertible
My fifth newly purchased BMW and this time I was looking for a convertible. I narrowed my results to the Porsche Boxster or a BMW (4 Series or up...bigger guy). I choose the BMW based on consumer and expert reviews, the hardtop opposed to soft top, and I love the four year no hassle warranty/service with these cars. I may have went for the 6 cylinder (435i) because I prefer the power (as in past BMWs) but my wife owns a newer 328i and when in sport mode, I'm satisfied. Same case here - I have all the packages except cold weather (does have heated seats) including the 'M' package. More active suspension and acceleration....handles great. Setting the level here though...this vehicle has so much technology that after reading the manual a couple of times, I still had a few questions for the dealership. I'm a technology professional by trade so that appeals to me but for the non-tech types, the technology and/or communications package may be overkill since you'll probably never use the services. My parents own an X5, are not tech savvy and barely use all the features available...just a point to consider. Overall, I'll probably drive BMWs for a very long time because I trust the product and the backend support/service. One more note - I live in Central Florida so the chance to ride topless is pretty much year round hence desiring a convertible. Update 7/2018 - Resale value used to be very good, e.g. 70% or higher after two years. Imagine my surprise when researching my $63,000 ride (all packages are included), I had a depreciation by over 50% in two years (with less than 5500 miles...yes 5500). I could purchase a 2018 new for what I paid for my 2016. As much as I love BMWs, I'll be looking at a Porsche Panamera next. Yes, more expensive but the resale is highest for sport sedans. Too bad but I think BMW flooded the market with the ones and twos thus hurting resale values. If this doesn't bother you, I love the car and you should be happy if purchasing or leasing; even a CPO seems like a better deal if purchasing. BTW - I don't lease and purchase new.
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Ultimate driving machine - for real
This is our fifth BMW. Drove 3 series while we had kids at home. Then got a 1-series that was a blast to drive - handled like go-kart. Decided to go for the 428 instead of the 228. We got a 428i with a manual transmission. What a great car. Great handling and acceleration. Really nice transmission. A dream car on country roads. Took it up to Vermont on backroads and couldn't stop smiling. Quite and smooth on highways. Usually drive it in Sport mode - which makes a noticeable difference. The rear seat is big enough for adults, especially around town or for an hour or so. The 2016 model has so many great standard features. We don't care about GPS because we use our iPhones, so we didn't get that package. Just added heated seat/steering wheel. Makes it a great value if you don't load up on the options. Beautiful looking car with great lines. Many people comment on how great it looks. The Ultimate Driving Machine... and I don't work for BMW.
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428i gran coupe 2016
I bought 428i gran coupe a month ago, drove it for nearly 1000 miles, this car is a beast on the roads especially when you activate the sport mode you feel the car is roaring and eager for your push on the gas pedal.....handling and steering feedback is perfect, I used to have Mazda 6, honda civic, Kia sportage, Hyundai....This car is from another realm, if you are a type of guys that like fun in driving, acceleration and sharp turns then this car is for you.... Add to that a great gas mileage for the power it generates. Around 27 mpg combined. My advice to you is that if you like to own the car until it dies then spend extra bucks on getting technology package (with head up display feature), premium package which adds a lot of conveniece, rear view camera, and if you live in cold area then add a winter package, believe me it worth every penny.... It is a luxury sport car with acceptable cost and looks much better than 3 series ... If you are into luxury and do not care about fun in driving or if your budget is limited then search for a lower class cars.... (some new kia cars looks more luxurious from inside than my BMW, but driving and controlling is none compared to BMW)...... BTW, if you have a family with big dudes (6'1 and above), then rear seating might become an issue.....
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Just about perfect for where we are in life
I just retired and my wife is about to retire. It was time for a "life-style" car. We wanted a convertible but, it had to be a hard-top for city parking and, to deal with our snow, we wanted either front wheel drive or awd. When we saw this car at a car show it 'spoke' to us on an emotional level and it had those important features. There aren't too many hard-top convertibles anymore; the EOS is on the way out, the Volvo C70 is history as is the Chrysler 200 hard-top. The Lexus has zero trunk space even with the top up, and the Z4 and SLK are rear wheel drive. The 428 x drive 'vert is just about perfect! We decided to take delivery at the SC Performance Center near Greenville and it was a spectacular experience. They let us drive their cars at high speeds, on a slalom course, on an off-road course, and, most impressively, on a skid pad that dramatically demonstrated the anti-skid program that prevented spin out. Amazing! Our car was dramatically delivered (and programmed) in perfect condition and we then took a 1500 mile road trip through the Outerbanks and mountains. Over that distance, the car gave us ~31 mpg on 89 octane gas in ECO mode. It's true that that hard top does take up trunk space but, we were able to easily carry two carry-on suitcases that allowed the top to be lowered. (Our extra debris ended up on the small back seat.) With the top down, the included wind blocker installed and the windows up we were able to easily talk without any buffeting. Our local dealer has been extremely solicitous on price, and they threw in winter BMW mats, caps and usb charger. We're very satisfied! Update: We've now owned the car about a year and a half. It continues to greatly please us. Not a rattle, squeak or issue with anything. I don't mind paying a premium price for a premium product. This is a premium car! Update: We're now about three years into this car and we have about 30K miles on it. Other than having to pay for rotating the tires we continue to have no issues. We just bought a 2018 suv that has every safety feature, i.e. automatic braking, lane control, adaptive cruise, bird's eye view, etc. I'm hoping BMW will offer these features on our next one. Now approaching four years, we are cognizant that the warranty is about to expire which means possible expensive maintenance issues. OTOH, we like the car so we are investigating extended warranty policies. We have had zero issues, nevertheless I wouldn't want to pay for a repair to the hardtop mechanism. FYI, new BMWs now only have 3 year warranties... Update: Since BMW is discontinuing the hardtop convertible we've decided to keep the car and we've purchased an extended warranty through our dealer. The plan is to keep the car for eight years and continue maintaining it through our excellent dealer. (We are only driving about 10K miles/year now since we're retired.)
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Great concept. Poorly executed
This hard top convertible meets a lot of requirements. Attractive, sporty, quick, fun to drive, excellent hardtop retraction for convertible mode and reasonably affordable. But this car's reliability has been an issue. Several part failures during the warranty period, including fuel pump, seat belts and turbo. Can't imagine what these would have cost to repair if failure had happened shortly after the warranty expired. There is some noticeable turbo lag; not as bad as other turbo cars I have owned (Saab). The turbo had an oil leak in the mechanical return of the oil following engine shut down. Not sure why this wasn't an electronic system. Also, the electronic display system will not connect to Apple maps (the next year does). Unlike Tesla, which would have sent a software update to allow this, BMW requires a whole different system. Just poor engineering.
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Best BMW I have owned
This car is super quick for a 4 cyl. I found myself going 100 mph and I swear I did not push down on the accelerator. The only thing that is a little squirrely is there is no spare tire. That may be a problem if you are going in a non populated area and needed to get a new tire.
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Fun Car
The convertible is fun to drive in good weather with the top down. What pleasantly surprised me is how comfortable the car is in cold weather. With heated seats, the hardtop convertible feels warm and delightful on cold days. I continue to enjoy the car years after I bought it. It drives well. I enjoy the exterior and interior styling of the car. I am happy that it is mine. I have cold weather tires for it for the cold weather months. A lady came up to me a few days ago and said: “Cute car. Do you want to trade?” I smiled and said: “No. I like the car.” Update: Now that I have had the car for 9 months, my appreciation for the car has grown. Except for a small glitch on one day (which was corrected in one visit by the dealer), the car has been very pleasurable to own and drive. I am glad I bought it. I am proud to drive it and show it to my friends. My friends like it too. One of my friends said it was the most exciting car he had ever seen. The BMW dealership has given me nice loaner cars when I brought my car in for maintenance, e.g. a beautiful BMW convertible. Update: Now that I have had the car several years and have driven about 17,000 miles, it continues to be a joy to drive. It has been reliable, fun to own, and I am proud to own it. During the winter months, I am primarily driving a Mercedes Benz SUV. When the weather improves in the Spring, I plan to drive the BMW more than I do in the winter.
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Sun! Breezes! Fun!
Fun to drive. Hugs the road in comfort mode and sports mode is even more fun. Love the sport seats--the extension makes it so comfortable for my long legs. The electronics aren't that intuitive--I'm learning but all the dealers have "BMW Geniuses" on staff to train you--I just haven't had the time yet to go in. Only disappointment is that mine doesn't have the premium package, which means I don't have keyless entry like I'm used to. Not a huge deal--just don't like having to dig for my keys all the time.
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Estoril blue beauty
In my honeymoon phase. Drove out of state to PA to pick up this totally loaded 2016 435i X drive. I test drove the 4 cylinder. Trading in my 335, I wasn't happy driving the 4. It was sluggish and heavy. Not with the v6. Highly recommend the M Sport package. This car was loaded ( MSport, Nav, surround cameras, entertainment, etc) with everything I would have ordered, except the price and financing couldn't be matched by waiting on a 2017. It truly is the best of both worlds. Top up zero noise. Top down, wow! :-). If you can still find a 2016, equipped the way you want, then buy it. The warranty is longer, too. BMW moved to 3 years for 2017.
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a great road car
A great car to drive. smmooth engine, seamless trans. Suspension firm but not harsh. It stops I'm expert on brakes but I have no trouble with them. Instruments are German, more compilcated than needed. Had a Toyota that was not even close in to this BMW but to do simple tasks all I had to do was turn a dial or push a button. Many tasks in the BMW are done by calling up a menu go to a sub menu to do some thing. All that aside I bought the BMW used in 2018 with exactly 30,000 miles and now it has 68,000. I have it service very 5000 miles. I've not had not one trouble with My 435I. I've had many cars the only car equal Tony BMWt was a toyota 1976 I put 200,000 miles on it.
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Every 2Dr Sports Coupe should be this good
Definitely go for the x-Drive all wheel drive option, even in Southern states, as the almost .5 second 0-60 improvement over the rear-wheel drive model is more than worth it. Plus the all wheel drive provides you with the best winter driving traction and control that you can get.
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Nice Car Turns into a Nightmare!
The engine in my 2016 BMW 435i literally blew-up and now BMW is refusing to honor the warranty. The repair shop claims they found water spots in the air intake plenum. They claim that due to recent heavy rains and driving through "a puddle" 5 weeks earlier caused a piston connecting rod to break through the side of the engine block! This is even though the car ran perfectly for the entire 5 week period and 2500 miles after the rain event without even the slightest vibration. What they couldn't explain, at all, was how enough water made it past the air cleaner without getting the air cleaner wet or damaged! The rain event did short a couple electronic systems as error codes indicated and put the car into a "limp-home" mode, but were simply cleared and reset after I had them checked. Interestingly, the service advisor and a service manager kept aggressively encouraging me to "just file a claim with your insurance carrier" and that "people have been doing it there all the time"! It seemed like a "go-to" line for these guys even though any competent mechanic would conclude that this engine did not "blow" due to water damage! I checked with a few! It has been my experience here that BMW, through their authorized representatives, will do anything possible to avoid responsibility in honoring their warranty including encouraging their customers to commit insurance fraud. At least this was the "feeling" I was left with after my conversations with the service staff at the particular BMW dealer in Long Beach, California.
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Avoid 20” rims
We’ve owned the car for two years now. Overall happy with convertible, but want to warn about bigger rims. The combination of 20” BMW M-rims with run flat, low profile tires really compromises the ride. Road noise is loud, but even worse is how much impacts and bumps are transmitted into the cabin. On the other hand, they do make it look much better than stock 17” wheels.
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Lots of fun in a ride!
This is a great car for anyone who rarely uses the back seat. The optional M sports package gives the car peppy acceleration and tight handling, making it everything BMW drivers live about the cars! But for 5 series owners, the car seemed a little too crowded in the arm rest and lacked the thigh support seats that make long rides comfortable. You have to add anther premium option package to get the comfy seats 5 series drivers expect.
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Sporty Luxury
Comfortable, sporty, and luxury in a single package. The sporty and classy look of the 4 Series Coupe caught my attention, and I knew it was the car I wanted after the first test drive. The 2.0L turbo engine is fantastic for someone who appreciates efficiency, yet wants reliable power to accelerate and pass. I can’t tell when the turbo engages- there is no lag. It is a perfect car for a commuter; add 2 more passengers and a full tank of gas, and the 3.0L six might be in order. I am two weeks into ownership, and so far am amazed at the perfect balance of sportiness, comfort, and surprising quietness of my 2015 428i. So far I am very pleased.
Riding on Rails
The handling of my 428iX is superb. In dry conditions you can point and go. In wet it is exceptional. Four modes of driving make this car fun to drive and if necessary, economical. Engine must be kept in higher RPM to enjoy the power. Hesitant off the line for a brief second then hold on. Paddle shifters make it fun to drive in sharp turns, etc. Heads up display is excellent. Voice commands are excellent both in radio, phone and navigation. 33mpg on the highway at 65mph. Can run on 89 octane if necessary. The ultimate driving machine.
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Fun 2 Drive!
Bought the M-Sports cosmetic upgrade used. Once I replaced the 3 bent rims, the car drove great! Very easy to drive and I highly recommend the convertible. Will but regular tires on when needed as the run-flats are okay, but a little loud. Gonna put a can of Fix-A-Flat in the trunk because it will due the same thing as run-flats.
Top Down / 2Thumbs Up Smile Inducing Head Turner
Let me save you the read. The BMW 4 Series is my new fantasy car. Even after owning one for the past 10 months. I bought mine used and have driven it nearly 20k miles and it's been as reliable as a stone ax. Mine is a 435xi (AWD) with the dual scroll turbo and 8speed transmission. Though a convertible it has a hardtop which makes it a great car here in 4 season Michigan!. In sport mode it's a bit to potent for city traffic when trying to pace the car with typical commute traffic. On back roads sport mode truly shines. it stiffens then suspension and the raises the acceleration bar leaving me feeling like a Tae Kwon Do black belt sparring in a gym full of green belts. It's fast and takes directional control in a cool comfortable manner. I've got a full winter package, top speed delete, line delete (fewer badges), and the full air intake/exhaust upgrade. Big brakes and 19" wheels connect this car to the ground and it's a corner carving beast. All while providing 30MPG at highway cruising speeds. the Harman Kardan sound system brings out the highs and thumps out the bass, top up or down. All the controls including the touch screen controls and the idrive (infotainment controls) are easy to work while underway. As a baby boomer I find this vehicle a great daily driver. It does some light duty runs to the local home building supplies store and has carried small furniture (top down furniture sticking up and out) and even has a trailer hitch that allows me to pull a motorcycle, jetski or dinghy when getting away from it all. My wife (perfers to daily drive an SUV) considers it a treat to take "the convertible". Her first day out, she returned and commented how "zippy/fast" the BMW 435 is. She now reserves her right to take it on outings with her friends, and loves when we go out for some top down cruising, especially in winter with the heated seats and heat ducted head rests.37F and feeling like it's 70F is something this convertible does very well. I do recommend changing the oil more often than the BMW recommended 15,000mile interval (I aim for 5,000-6,000 mile intervals). Yes it may be a bit overkill, but I really enjoy this car. I'd say I love it if I were able to love an inanimate object. The BMW 435 is a great car. The convertible is the one for me. With so much power, the duty cycle you put on the car in day to day driving is far below it's capability and must contribute to it's reliability and what I expect will be longevity. My 2015 is a low mile specimen with under 53,000 miles as I'm writing this. Would I recommend one to family and friends? Absolutely! I wish a few of my loved ones would buy their own...
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Exhilarating !
Most fun I have had driving since driving my BMW 320i many years ago!
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Drove across the U.S.
The Performance Sport Mode was GREAT for Flat Highs & Mountains. The Extended Leg Prop was wonderful for such a long ride (1500 miles there & 1500 miles back home). The Retractable Roof is an extra wonder to behold just for the heck of it. The Gas Mileage was phenomenal when NOT in Sport Mode. The Sport Seats are a TRUE BLESSING (compared to my Uncomfortable New Mustang). Even though the TRUNK SPACE is limited due to the Retractable Roof, the backseat (with NO passengers) was more than enough for duffle-type bags. The maneuverability in crazy traffic was amongst distracted & overbearing drivers was spot-on and like magic. I owned a 325i Bimmer from 1985 to 1991 and have had many other sports & muscle cars & luxury cars prior to this 428i. There is always something Better, but this 428i fits what I need it for. For me; "It's A Keeper".
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Beautiful car, loaded with tech
The 428i Xdrive coupe is a wonder to drive. Don't be fooled by the 4 cylinder engine, these cars have plenty of pep, and can be very aggressive with the Sport+ engaged. Pay attention to packages and features. The Harmon Kardon stereo is a must. Be sure to download the BMW app, it is very convenient. Enjoy driving the Ultimate Driving Machine.
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Grab one while you can 435i
My wife purchased a gently used 9k miles.2016 435i , she insisted on a 6 Cylinder, really pretty car, kind of a smoky metallic black, with bad ass factory wheels, black interior, this car is not for a fool, very powerful fun car with tons of headroom. the stereo is crisp and clean strong very impressive, even a short trip around the block is exciting to go for a ride. Better hurry the straight six turbos are being fazed out by 4 cyl models. The strength of the six we prefer, smoother interstate power. Worth a drive. After my Wife purchased the car I was jealous and I went and grabbed the 430 coupe, 4 cyl. And the 4 cyl has plenty of power, to my surprise the smaller turbo does the job well, gets out of its way, a couple of second delay if you smashed the gas, but soon you forget about the delay and now your trying to slow down. Not an animal like the six, but what seems to be a calmer experience with the 4 cyl. Kinda more of a daily driver. The balanced platform of the 4 series is the cars best feature, stable, forgiving, a real road car. The M4 makes me curious, and I was told the M2 is the best out there, so now the family of the BMW’s 435-430 Will continue to be our go to cars until my lease is up in a year stay turned
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Classy car
Florida being the lightning capital, I want a hard top convertible when weather doesn't allow for the top to be down.. There aren't too many in the marketplace. BMW's other convertibles, 2 and 8 series and Z4 are all soft tops. You want 6 cylinders to power this slightly heavy car. The M package (as opposed to buying an M model outright) gives it an extra oomph and distinction. The poor man's M, if you will. The car has a beautiful line and when the top s down, it's just classy. Enjoy life, get wind in your face.
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A true BMW Marvel
A true luxury with comfort, class and excellent dynamics. The 4 series is a piece of art, technology, comfort and excellent dynamics.
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Fast&Great Handling
Made extremely well. The rear wheel drive has fantastic handling; car flat with no lean on curves. Seats are very comfortable on a long trip and have good support. Comfort Mode drives great, Sport Mode is very high performance. Electronics are very effective and intuitive. Trunk is narrow and small.
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Daddy like!
If you have the extra money and are looking for a quality built vehicle, the BMW 4 series Coupe is hands down your new car. Handling, acceleration, comfort and just a damn fun car to drive. There are to few cons to mention except for the elephant in the room. The fully or even semi fully loaded 4 series will cause you to dig deep into your pocket book or wallet. The only look the basic no frills 4 series Coupe gets is as you pass them by in the lot on your way to the well equipped model. The price was the only obstacle that prevented me from owning one of these dream machines.
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Second 4 series in 8 month
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Sexy bmw 428
This a great car for the person that appreciates speed power n comfort nice sleek body design among many amazing features will recomend for the person with no kids
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Nice Looking Ride, But a Fussy German Overall
The BMW 435X is a nice car. It is fast and refined, when it works. Even though this car has low mileage on it, it's been in the shop for tire wear, belts, and assorted repairs in the 13 months I've owned it. When it runs, its a great head-turner. It's low to the ground, though, so mid-life crisis buyers beware of ease of egress and ingress. Not an everyday driver, but a nice little toy.
Incredibly well balanced daily driver
Of course, opinions vary depending on which options you have. I have a fully loaded 435Xi GC incl. side and top down cameras, collision radar mitigation, etc. Outstanding car. Decent MPG, great Xdrive system. With a simple tube, puts out over 380hp reliably. Very modern and does not look like any other 3 series on the market. Rear hatch space is amazing and can carry large items. Reliability has bee superb. Insurance is a bit high, though.
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Awesome Sporty Worry-Free Convertible
I've loved my 428i for over 7 years. Besides annual oil changes, the only significant service has been a new battery, tires and brake pads. Strangers come up to me all time to make nice comments on my midnight blue/green beauty with 19" wheels. I don't see many of these on the road anymore in upstate NY. I guess most were probably driven south. The car is WAY fun to drive. The high-end car stereo is AMAZING! Mind-blowing loud with crystal clarity and booming bass. The sub-woofers are attached to the car frame under the front dash! If I was forced to mention items that are less than spectacular would be the cost of required premium gas and anticipated high cost of eventual repairs, but after 7 years of fun driving, I can't complain too much.
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BMW 428i
Love my car! I never keep a car much beyond payoff. Been paid off and plan to keep till I die! True Story. Drives great, looks great, great gas mileage. Fun to drive!
Test drive before you buy!
This vehicle is a wonderful and truly German engineering at its very best!! 4/50 free maintenance is offered free of charge . Thats one reasons what I base my decision in buying BMW.
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My 428i Open Top
I love my car, from the color, pearl white, to the peanutbutter interior. The awesome design of the hardtop, she looks amazing with the top down. I get the best of both worlds, The beauty of a sophisticated coupe, and the sporty look of a convertible!!! It handles like a dream!!!!
Nice car
Love that it’s a hard top convertible! Nice looking fun car! Very comfortable seats too!
Absolutely timeless & modern design.
These 4-series (known as the F32) are absolutely fantastic. The N55 inline 6 engine is amazing and very reliable. Be sure to do oil changes every 3000 - 5000 miles. I've been doing this (along with letting the car warm-up properly) and have 170,000 miles on mine! It still runs like new! These engines and the world-famous ZF8 have been known to run to 300,000+ miles. Of course, it is a performance luxury coupe! You should always expect the same maintenance items present with those cars. Valve cover, water pump, fluid changes, belts, etc. If you are a neglectful mouth-breather, this car will punish you for it. If you are a responsible man/woman looking for a stylish and powerful luxury coupe, and can afford to properly maintain it, you will see what I mean years down the road. These cars are simply brilliant.
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wish you oned one
the car is unreal. It runs great and I love it...........It is a 2057 and still acts as it it were new,,,,,,,
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nice looking
this is a M sport model...has a twin turbo and runs great
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