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Potential to be a really great car.
Joey L, 11/01/2015
2009 BMW 3 Series 335i 2dr Coupe (3.0L 6cyl Turbo 6M)
53 of 59 people found this review helpful
Make no mistake. This is one of the best cars I have ever had, out of about 10. I have a 335 with sports package, premium package and 20 inch wheels. Jet black with dealer installed blueing of the chrome, and window tinting. It is a fairly sharp looking car. On a good road, it handles and accelerates really well. It is great for a driving trip with good roads. The premium stereo is best sounding I have owned. Even after 6 years the interior still smells like a new leather wallet (analogy upcoming). Get this car on a well paved road, switch to sport mode and let it rip. It is a very happy experience. However, it is likely to cost you. After i settle down from paying the bills I can joke about it. But I think there is a computer chip somewhere inside the makes things start to fail after the service contract ends. For example, on the first service visit after the contract ended, they advised spark plugs and wheel alignment. That was $1600. (of course this includes the World-class check up). After a big rainstorm the computer thought the engine was overheating and made the car slow down on the freeway to 25 MPH. That was fun. Be prepared for unsympathetic people when you drive a BMW. After 3 service visits they figured out it was water leaking into the battery compartment and cabling conduit. That was $3400. Tires? $1700, every two years. Gotta love them run-flats. I figure the car smells like a wallet to remind you of how much money you will need to continue to put into it. Even with that, I really like this car. I sort of expected it was going to cost a lot once the warranty was up. But not quite that much. I think that If I do this again, I would lease and make sure the lease ends before the warranty does. But then it would be hard to get the extras just right. That is, the sports package really does ride better than the standard suspension (I really did try both) and the premium stereo is really good sounding (I did try both).
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Wanted the Experience
freeflowin, 10/02/2011
2009 BMW 3 Series 335i 2dr Coupe (3.0L 6cyl Turbo 6M)
13 of 15 people found this review helpful
Bought used with 8k miles. Looks great runs great. Fantastic to drive and handles unbelievably. The car is very tight and fast. Only complaint is I have had to have 4 recalls preformed so far, which is annoying. Three of which I figured would come and it wasn't a big deal (all relating to the fuel pump), the fourth was for a wire in the tail light....so that was annoying to have to go in for 4 hours to have looked at. I have a 09 Silverado with three times as many miles and ZERO problems.
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No Car Is Perfect
theomdude, 03/20/2011
2009 BMW 3 Series 328i 2dr Coupe (3.0L 6cyl 6M)
9 of 10 people found this review helpful
I traded a 330Ci with SMG for a leased 2009 328i Coupe with paddle shifted Steptronic. I loved my 330, and this car is close, but not quite there. The luxury details on my Premium/Sport Pkg. example, like the ambient lighting, is cool and material quality seems top notch. But the car seems "fatter" and the specs say it is, by 66 lbs. That doesn't account for the extra weight of the SMG in the 330, so it's probably close to a wash. The hp is up by 5 & torque is down 15 but the sense of slight softness in acceleration is probably the difference between a clutch and a torque converter. I've seen 130 on a short straight so I'm not complaining. At my modest skill level the turbo would be wasted.
Nice Ride
Ar15, 05/17/2009
2009 BMW 3 Series 328i 2dr Coupe (3.0L 6cyl 6M)
4 of 4 people found this review helpful
Just traded in my Lexus IS250 for a 09 328i. The Lexus ran smoother, but the BMW performs way better. Can't really explain it, but the car seems to know what you want it to do. Everything about the car feels tight and just right. If you want a smooth cushy ride, go with the Lexus. But if you want exceptional handling characteristic's and a car that is fun to drive, the BMW is it.
3 Strikes you're out!!
click click click, 12/05/2009
2009 BMW 3 Series 335i xDrive 2dr Coupe AWD (3.0L 6cyl Turbo 6M)
3 of 3 people found this review helpful
I bought my 2009 335xi in August after driving my C70 Volvo into the ground with 173k on it. The volvo was a sled compared to this beauty. This car is not problem free! I have had the car in four times for warranty and I'm still not happy. First check engine light " miss fire " second time bad high pressure fuel pump, third time, mechanical fuel pump. Turn on the intermittent wiper and listen to the relay click under the dash. Dealer says that's normal. Then the seat belt arm shorted out. So they replaced that. I just bought 4 Toyota Yaris for my delivery fleet and they are quieter than this BMW. Dealer said get use to the noises I said are you kidding me !!
Follow-up review after 17K miles
Michael, 03/01/2010
2009 BMW 3 Series 328i xDrive 2dr Coupe AWD (3.0L 6cyl 6M)
3 of 3 people found this review helpful
Well, it's now almost 2 full seasons of winter later, 2 oil changes - and this car is as responsive as my first drive with it.. maybe even more so as the CDV issue seems to have disappeared after the "break-in" period. Had a couple issues with the tire-pressure-monitor system going off when winter rolled through; nothing that a trip to the dealership couldn't resolve. Started noticing various things "creaking" such as the drivers seat (when applying mid/upper back pressure) and the center console elbow rest. Also, the rear-window dot matrix makes it impossible to get a nice uniform tint. If you can look past these, then IMO, this is still the absolute best luxury AWD coupe on the road.
328i is an affordable sport car for a good price!!
Frank M, 08/12/2019
2009 BMW 3 Series 328i 2dr Coupe (3.0L 6cyl 6M)
3 of 3 people found this review helpful
Very reliable overall, You need to have on mind that an sport car with superior comfort will have a few more electronics and sensors, I love the handling on rain, when everybody has low visibility and poor handling your bimmer will show superiority with the correct rubber. High Mileage is a plus !!!
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Michael, 01/07/2009
2009 BMW 3 Series 328i xDrive 2dr Coupe AWD (3.0L 6cyl 6M)
2 of 2 people found this review helpful
Driving in about 4 inches of unpaved snow, slush and ice: In straight lines it accelerates and stops under complete control. To test out the traction around corners, I took a couple turns at relatively unsafe speeds, close to 15 MPH. The DTS flickered and appeared to do something, but it definitely felt like I drifted out of my lane. During sensible speeds, drifting was not an issue. Slight hesitance may be confused with skidding, but its actually DTS doing its thing to keep you on your intended path. X-drive is very capable. However, I honestly feel Subaru sets the bar when it comes to AWD technology. Basically if you're looking for a luxury AWD coupé, look no further.
Good - Not Perfect
Ernie, 10/17/2009
2009 BMW 3 Series 328i 2dr Coupe (3.0L 6cyl 6M)
2 of 2 people found this review helpful
If you're a 'driver' you'll love the steering, suspension and handling. Plus, the car is tight, engine is smooth and interior is perfect. But... HD radio is terrible. Constantly flips in & out of HD, save your money. BMW won't fix it. Auto trans is also sketchy. In sport mode it won't ever go to 6th gear and regular mode just doesn't downshift readily. If you're doing 40 MPH and step on it, it bogs down unless you press deep on the pedal. It makes the car feel underpowered. But you can punch it down a gear (or 2) with paddle shifters (I have sport pkg). Had a 330i with 5-spd prior to this and power wise, this is a little disappointing. If you're on the fence... get the Turbo! Wish I did.
goodoptions, superb handling, weak acceleration
Alan, 12/30/2017
2009 BMW 3 Series 328i xDrive 2dr Coupe AWD (3.0L 6cyl 6M)
4 of 6 people found this review helpful
I have owned this car for over 4 years. The options and interior beat out many of the newer cars available today ( adaptive xenon, leather interior, wood trim, fine stitching, interior lighting, hill descent control). The ride is very good and typical on highways of the best luxury cars, the ride on rough terrain or around town is painful given the suspension. I enjoyed driving this car; in the rain and adverse conditions this car offered incredible and confident road handling, great visibility and solid performance. Braking and handling are classic and sharp; heated seats and steering wheel are better than on any car I've owned or tested. The trunk was deep given the lack of spare and provided ample storage for a coupe. Passing was always a breeze. Now for the negative... the 0-60 specs are around 7+ seconds which are pathetic for any car, the maintenance is painful, a 3 series is an entry level luxury car and I was shocked at the cost to maintain , every time i took it to the shop after 70k miles it needed something. The windows always fogged in cold and/or rainy weather and keeping the defroster on always made the cabin way too hot. It was impossible to keep a good temperature (notable BMW problem). The speedometer was always 5-10MPH faster than i was actually going (another notable bimmer problem-they purposely inflate to make it seem faster). After owning for a few years the depreciation in the vehicle was awful, everyone talks about the value of BMW but they don't hold it. All in all it is a great car with high quality assets but a fair amount of "manageable" downfalls. Bottom line is : you will enjoy the car and it is a better option over many newer vehicles however it will cost you to maintain and watch those potholes.
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Blast to drive!
buckeyedoc, 01/13/2009
2009 BMW 3 Series 335i xDrive 2dr Coupe AWD (3.0L 6cyl Turbo 6M)
1 of 1 people found this review helpful
Have !2500 miles on this coupe and I love it. Top notch performance and styling. The handling is great. The mileage on the highway is OK (28 MPG) but not great around town (16MPG). I have had 2 Audis before this and I think that the Audi is better in the snow and the interior is superior but the BMW is much more solid feeling on the highway. Overall for me it is a toss-up. the deciding factor was the proximity of the dealers (10 mins vs. 40). Only regret is that I wish I had gotten the manual.
Better this time around
gyazman, 04/29/2009
2009 BMW 3 Series 328i 2dr Coupe (3.0L 6cyl 6M)
1 of 1 people found this review helpful
Traded up from a 2007 BMW 328 to 2009 BMW coupe with leather, sport package, and sport seats. Car for some reason feel like it has more power than my other car. Got the space gray with gray wood. Very sporty and in manual mode is quick as a cat. This car with its larger and wider wheels grips the road and feels solid. Back seats are able to fold down giving more room for the trunk. 0.9% financing right now help me decide on the purchase.
The BMW for drivers
carguy, 08/07/2009
2009 BMW 3 Series 335i 2dr Coupe (3.0L 6cyl Turbo 6M)
1 of 1 people found this review helpful
This is my 3rd BMW coupe and it is by far the best as it builds on what BMW does best - great performance without sacrificing everyday driveability and comfort. The twin turbo six delivers amazing torque throughout the rev range and the new ZF auto transmission shifts are crisp and timely - especially when in sport mode. The interior is a clean design and driver oriented with minimal electronic visual distractions. Visibility is excellent and the ride, while firm, is a good compromise between handling and comfort.
very good sport looking and comfort car
ahmed, 04/04/2017
2009 BMW 3 Series 328i xDrive 2dr Coupe AWD (3.0L 6cyl 6M)
1 of 1 people found this review helpful
The power is not bad evin though its missing the turbo, but if you were not a type of person who race cars it is the best choice for looking cool in a sport car!
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335i Rocks!
Richard Song, 10/16/2017
2009 BMW 3 Series 335i xDrive 2dr Coupe AWD (3.0L 6cyl Turbo 6M)
1 of 1 people found this review helpful
Bought my e92 335xi with a little bit over 40k miles on 2015. Currently almost two and half years, it's been running like a champ. Drives and handles like a dream. Everything feels heavy yet steady and tight: the gas paddle, brake paddle, suspension, and the steering wheel. All these together make it a comfortable car and you a confident driver. Sometimes I went 90mph on highway without even noticing because it simply feels so sturdy. Although not designed for fuel efficiency, it returns 30mpg on the highway on usual basis. There are occasional repairs, as expected, but it's worth every penny. Radiator gave up @51k mile. Carbon build up causing car hard to start @55k mile. Except from that, it's been problem free.
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Awesome
Bob, 11/24/2008
2009 BMW 3 Series 335i xDrive 2dr Coupe AWD (3.0L 6cyl Turbo 6M)
1 of 2 people found this review helpful
I picked up my 2009 335i xDrive a week ago and this car is amazing. I look forward to going to work in the morning to drive it. It seems to eat up the road and the 18" run flats with the sport package are unmatched. The growl the car make when you turn it on and step on the gas is worth the price alone. The stereo is incredible, iDrive is easy to use as well as the navigation. I am so glad I stopped in the dealership on the way to check on my Audi A5 that was on order. I drove this car and made the deal that night and drove down the street to cancel the Audi. I have had Acuras, Infinitis and driven my dad's Cayman S; this car blows them away. I will never buy anything but a BMW again.
Breaking-in the new Bimmer
Michael, 12/02/2008
2009 BMW 3 Series 328i xDrive 2dr Coupe AWD (3.0L 6cyl 6M)
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
First time owner of the BMW. Being from the Northeast, Ive only driven AWD vehicles. I was well aware of the certain stigma clouding the x-drives, BMW being predominantly RWD and all, as well as the CDV issue. I can certainly put the CDV issue to rest. At first the minuscule delay will be noticeable, but after 200 or so miles of getting used-to, if you cant adjust the feather of your foot to compensate for the delay, any discomfort from passenger head-banging is all on you. As for the AWD, havent had a chance to test it out yet this winter, but there is a difference between the xi and the 328i that I test drove in the dry, in how each gets off the line. The i is more responsive.
Luxury Rocket
J. Yoon, 02/03/2009
2009 BMW 3 Series 335i 2dr Coupe (3.0L 6cyl Turbo 6M)
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
I've had this car for 3 days and I can't stop driving it. It's a blast to drive and is a real head turner. The interior is way ahead of Infiniti and maybe even Audi. The car shifts sooo smoothly. Forget the G37, considering the deals that are available, it's time to buy the Bimmer!
Great looks with muscle to back it up
swiz454, 02/16/2009
2009 BMW 3 Series 335i 2dr Coupe (3.0L 6cyl Turbo 6M)
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
Blk/blk auto w/sport package. This car is fast. It pulls hard like a V8 and has a great engine note. Since my previous cars were manuals I was hesitant getting the auto but with the sport mode it holds the gear longer & you can run it to redline. I like this a lot mostly coming out of a turn - you're always in the right gear. The new iDrive is light years better than the previous version. The car is an excellent mix of daily driver & rocket. I catch myself doing 90+MPH on the hwy, feels like 50 mph. It has all the latest technology anyone could need (bluetooth w/phone import, GPS w/lrg scrn, itune integration).
This car rox!
medic, 04/08/2009
2009 BMW 3 Series 335i 2dr Coupe (3.0L 6cyl Turbo 6M)
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
This car is fast as heck. Haven't run into a car capable of keeping up with it yet. The handling is great especially with the Premium Sports package. This car is definitely a recommended best buy. It's lots of bang for your buck and a good eye catching conversation piece.
The Ultimate driving machine
jbmw3, 06/02/2009
2009 BMW 3 Series 328i 2dr Coupe (3.0L 6cyl 6M)
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
This is my 4th 3-series, and I should have done more research. When AC is on, the engine does not feel as smooth as it should when stopped at a red light. Driving at speeds of 40 miles per hour, you can hear high pitch sound. The run flat tires are a good idea, but makes the ride feel more stiff, tires wear out quicker than regular tires, and the tires cost about 150 dollars more per tire. Gasoline requirement is recommended 93 top tier gasoline. One interesting thing I noticed is that if their are no error codes during the diagnostic testing, you can forget about BMW looking into it. The part has to break down.
First BMW
traindb, 06/13/2009
2009 BMW 3 Series 335i 2dr Coupe (3.0L 6cyl Turbo 6M)
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
This is my first BMW. I previously owned an Infiniti G35. No comparison. I always thought the car magazines were in the tank for BMW, until I bought this car. It's my favorite car I've ever owned. The engine reminds me of a sewing machine. It it so smooth and never runs out of power. The turbo is great. I test drove a 328, which was nice, but it had no get up and go. With 22000 miles on it, my 335 still feels solid as a rock. I'm single with no kids, and the only reason I will ever get rid of this car is if my lifestyle changes and I need more room. The backseat is way better than the Infiniti (an adult can actually sit upright), but it's still a pain to get in and out.
RFT's ruin this car
JRMACH1, 07/07/2009
2009 BMW 3 Series 328i 2dr Coupe (3.0L 6cyl 6M)
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
Recently bought '09 328I coupe with Premium and Sporkts pkg. The car is outstanding in every aspect except for the Run Flat Tires (RFT) which come on the car. The tires produce so much road noise that they totally ruin the BMW experience. If you don't mind a sports/luxury car that has the road noise of a 4 wheel drive truck/suv then you will love this car. Wish I could get my '02 325CIc back.
Rocket on Wheels
fjz, 07/05/2009
2009 BMW 3 Series 335i 2dr Coupe (3.0L 6cyl Turbo 6M)
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
Awesome ride and performance; for the price beats the M3. Bought to be driven hard and fast-not worried about little details like cupholders, etc.
The Ride
Donbl, 08/01/2009
2009 BMW 3 Series 335i 2dr Coupe (3.0L 6cyl Turbo 6M)
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
Car has all the toys: premium, sport, GPS, Logic7, HD, iPOD and etc. Really scoots but it is also somewhat harsh to ride in. Could be the RFT or just the way it is designed with sport suspension. The iDrive is OK but the location is right where I rest my hand and that tends to cause phone calls and etc. 96 pages in electronics operation guide. Got the extended warranty and tire warranty. The difference between standard and Logic7 is much more than three speakers. Standard has 180 watts and Logic7 has 420 watts plus two additional front tweeters, front center speaker, higher quality speakers and surround sound. Much bigger sound.
They're just not getting better...
Xyrium, 08/26/2009
2009 BMW 3 Series 335i xDrive 2dr Coupe AWD (3.0L 6cyl Turbo 6M)
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
Aside from the reviews of people that went to a sedan after owning an SUV, or those who never owned a classy yet sporty vehicle (same as SUVs?) no offense meant, but this iteration of the 3 series is missing the "Ultimate Driving Machine" feel of old. The engine is wonderful, however, driving feel is almost numb, and the drive by wire, in addition to the AWD makes for some very sloppy and awkward shifting also mentioned in Edmund's review. The interior appears to be a throwback from Buick, and the exterior is very Hyundai, with the raised panels on the sides and large flat area around the wheel wells. I'm in a 3 yr lease, but I'll opt for a G37x next time!
WV 328i XDrive
Joe Armstrong, 08/24/2009
2009 BMW 3 Series 328i xDrive 2dr Coupe AWD (3.0L 6cyl 6M)
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
This car is incredible. It is exactly what was advertised. "The ultimate driving machine". It is smooth and responsive. I have yet to find a curvy two lane road that this car didn't love. I have driven a lot of nice cars, but this is in a class all alone.
Bring My Wallet ie. BMW
Thomas & Susan, 09/01/2009
2009 BMW 3 Series 328i xDrive 2dr Coupe AWD (3.0L 6cyl 6M)
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
The styling of this car sets it apart from all others in its class. This is our second BMW and I'm a hard sell for import cars. BMW gets greedy with there options they are priced to high and there is no such thing as a base model on the lot.
Fast, Fast, Fast
Jim, 10/26/2009
2009 BMW 3 Series 335i 2dr Coupe (3.0L 6cyl Turbo 6M)
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Sold my 33cic last winter and bought a brand new 335 coupe in April of 2009. Even though it's not a convertible, I am more than happy with the change in performance between the two rides. I sincerely get excited every time I drive this machine, even after owning it for over 6 months!!! Be careful with the sport package and the seats. I'm still trying to find a comfort level there. It will happen though. This car begs you to take it past 100 m.p.h. This is a "bucket list" vehicle!
Surpassed expectations by, oh...
Chester, 12/27/2009
2009 BMW 3 Series 328i xDrive 2dr Coupe AWD (3.0L 6cyl 6M)
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...7 light years. I have owned 7 Subarus, two Audi Quattros, and thought they could not be beaten. I was wrong. The handling, overall performance, and especially the sport seats (comfort level) exceeds all the aforementioned autos. I did option for the automatic with sport pkg. and the letdown on acel. is barely noticeable. Due in part to the reworked tranny, excellent response and shiftability...No need to tell you how much fun it is to drive, handles like a dream, the rap on runflats have not been a factor yet, suspension takes care of that...Oh what a feeling, and it is not, a toyota...Fit, finish,and interior are exceptional...I love my xDrive Coupe.
Best Car I have Owned
steve, 02/23/2010
2009 BMW 3 Series 335i xDrive 2dr Coupe AWD (3.0L 6cyl Turbo 6M)
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This car is great. First BMW I have owned and the performance, handling and seat comfort are fabulous. Got rid of my lumbar roll as the sport seats and lumbar support are that comfortable. Everything else I have owned except for a Boxster feel slushy in comparison and you can drive this in the New England winter without problem. The iDrive works well without the problems previous iterations have had. The Navigation system is mostly intuitive and accurate. A few issues.....the 18" low profile run-flats and sport suspension are very harsh and potholes are to be avoided at all costs. I have already had one replaced due to side wall failure at a cost of $750!!?? Glove box is too small!
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Dan Polyash, 08/13/2017
2009 BMW 3 Series 335i xDrive 2dr Coupe AWD (3.0L 6cyl Turbo 6M)
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This car is great, has very refined performance. In fact, I took my mom for a drive and asked her how fast she thought I was driving, she said 40 when in fact I was going 58. I get varying mpg depending on how I drive, when I go smoothly and just cruise, I get anywhere from 26.4 to 27 mpg. When I feel like gunning it on every turn, I get anywhere from 22.7 to 24.4. The reliability of this car is great, very responsive and has awesome handling. Very great performance, would recommend to anyone who has the time, money and experience to buy this car.
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Performance at a steep cost!!
Shane Former BMw lover!, 12/04/2024
2009 BMW 3 Series 328i 2dr Coupe (3.0L 6cyl 6M)
0 of 0 people found this review helpful
Car is amazing after buying car with 39k it has 57k on now spent 4k on maintenance and repair in 2 years and 5 months. Reliable it is not.
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My 5th BMW in 4 years 09 BMW 328i coupe
My fifth BMW, 11/16/2009
2009 BMW 3 Series 328i 2dr Coupe (3.0L 6cyl 6M)
0 of 3 people found this review helpful
I am a disappointed buyer of beautifully sculpted 3 series coupe. I have test driven everything that BMW made the last 4 years and I do own four BMWs currently all bought new. So, here are the probs I had so far with current mileage of 12,500: 1. before 2000 miles, my car needed alignment. 2. Averaging once every two weeks, my BMW constantly requires air on two rear tires. 3. 8,700miles - replaced my left rear tire. 4. 9,800 miles - engine light came on and had to take it in. 5. 10,900 - my engine light came on again after it was fixed. 6. 10,000 miles- called BMW corp and made complaint. 7. 11,500 - they told me they will call me back & it's been two weeks with no return call. Shame on them.
We Have A Winner
Jim H, 12/27/2008
2009 BMW 3 Series 335i xDrive 2dr Coupe AWD (3.0L 6cyl Turbo 6M)
0 of 1 people found this review helpful
Took delivery this afternoon on a Tasman green/saddle brn '09 335i xDrive coupe. Said goodbye to my '06 330xi sedan, gave her a hug, and never looked back. My 330 was fast. But this coupe is stupid fast. Always thought my 330 was smart and had "a nice personality." But the 335 coupe is hot! Seriously considered the A5 Audi and VW CC. They're nice, very nice, but they are runner-ups. BMW needs to seriously ditch the run-flats. The cup holders are poor too (but you shouldn't drink and drive anyway, not in this car at least).
From Audi to BMW
Devon, 12/30/2008
2009 BMW 3 Series 335i xDrive 2dr Coupe AWD (3.0L 6cyl Turbo 6M)
0 of 1 people found this review helpful
I recently purchased my BMW 335i xDrive and it is amazing. I took the car with all options available, and so in terms of aesthetics, performance and functionality, this car is sublime. I use to drive an Audi 2.0T Quattro, and though the cars are not meant to be compared, I can say without a doubt that the BMW ride quality, performance and driving experience are considerably superior. The interior layout is also on par with Audi's high-quality interiors. Overall, I must say that I'm happy I got this car over an A5... though I probably would have taken an S5, had there not been a 1yr waiting list!
Glad it's gone
click click click, 08/28/2010
2009 BMW 3 Series 335i xDrive 2dr Coupe AWD (3.0L 6cyl Turbo 6M)
0 of 6 people found this review helpful
I have had my car in so many times I gave up on getting it fixed. No help at two different dealerships. The car was totaled in an accident, yes it may have saved my life but I'm not buying another BMW. If they can't fix them why buy one. Five years 50k means nothing if you drive 25k a year.