January 07, 2010
This morning as I put my stuff into the passenger side of the Hyundai Genesis, I noticed this loose piece of trim around the door.
Luckily, it popped right back into place in about 3 seconds. Someone must have bumped it or knocked it loose with their hand.
This Genesis has been one solid car the entire year. As you know, we're not exactly gentle with our fleet. I was wondering how this affordable luxury car was going to hold up over time. Most cars are pretty nice when they are new. It's after you've had them for a while that they show their true colors.
Our Genesis definitely feels lived in, but we've had no major problems with it and no rattling bits. A bit of loose trim that pops back into place is nothing. Now, if it keeps popping out, that's another story and I'll let you know.
Donna DeRosa, Managing Editor @ 22,976 miles
January 04, 2010
Back in May of last year, Editor in Chief Oldham wrote a "Would I Buy One?" post that listed his opinion of each car in our fleet at the time. For the answer to whether he'd buy a Hyundai Genesis, Scott wrote: "Faster than you can say great sedan." I'd put myself in this camp, too. But then the next question would be: "What kind of Genesis?"
Like most of the Edmunds/Edmunds.com editorial staff, I'd be happy with the V6. It's got respectable power, sounds throaty when you get on it and helps keep the Genesis' price pleasingly low. The trickier question to answer would be what kind of options I think are worth the money.
Hyundai has fiddled with the Genesis' options packages from 2009 to 2010, but I'll stick with 2010 since that's the car that's on sale now. Hyundai offers three 2010 packages: Premium ($2,500), Premium Navigation ($2,000) and Technology ($5,500). Premium basically gets you a sunroof, a 14-speaker Lexicon surround-sound audio system, upgraded leather trim, a power tilt/telescope steering wheel, driver seat memory settings and a power rear sunshade. So far, so good.
Premium Navigation gets you the navigation system, a back-up camera and 18-inch wheels. Interestingly, you couldn't get standalone navigation on the 2009 car (it was bundled with the Technology package), but I'd probably get it here given the more agreeable price.
But I'd pass on the 2010 Technology Package, which has adaptive xenon headlights, adaptive cruise control (new for 2010), parking sensors, a 17-speaker surround-sound audio system, Bluetooth, a bigger navigation screen, a ventilated driver seat and the multimedia controller wheel. Sure, I like our long-termer's Bluetooth and xenon headlights. But the rest is of debatable merit, and therefore I couldn't justify spending another $5,500. That would leave this 2010 Genesis with an MSRP of $38,300, which is quite reasonable to me for a large premium/luxury sedan as good as this one is.
Brent Romans, Senior Automotive Editor @ 22,697 miles
December 14, 2009
I didn't drive the Genesis much this weekend [because 1) I was sick and 2) the already blogged-upon wet SoCal weather enticed me to stay home under a blanket with hot cocoa and a cookie]. But I did get in the car at night enough (read: one time) to notice that the overhead cabin lighting is cool toned rather than warm toned. It was striking. It's a bright, bluish white, and I kinda dig it. It was especially suited to the wintry weather we were having at the time, too.
When I looked around, it made the interior and everything in it seem really crisp and clear. Made me realize that sometimes the warmer interior lights of other cars give everything in the car a slightly muddled softness, making it hard for me to focus well in the cabin. But maybe that's just me. Is it just me?
By the way, this isn't a picture of the bright white interior light of the Genesis at night. I didn't get a good shot of it. This is a nice shot of the dashboard in daylight taken by Associate Editor (and much tortured Face-Off punching bag) Mark Takahashi. But you can see the front seat's unlit interior lights at the top of the pic.
Bryn MacKinnon, Senior Editor, Edmunds.com @ 21,653 miles
November 17, 2009
We ran the Genesis down to San Diego and back this weekend with a trunk loaded with gifts for babies both recently and soon to be born. The gaping trunk probably could have held a whole orphanage full of toys, something to note with holiday shopping season right around the corner. With nearly 20K on the clock, I was curious to see how the ride quality of the Genesis was holding up from the driver's perspective.
From the highly adjustable pilots seat, things remain pretty rosy. After our dog-years mileage run up, impact harshness has increased just perceptibly, which is common on any machine as bushings age. The Genesis still rolls down the superslab with the best of them, eating interstate for breakfast, and floating in the kind of muted aplomb that makes it easy to wander over the posted limit. Cruise-control is most useful as a license-friendly speed limiter.
Most impressive still is the sophisticated feel of the rear suspension. The Genesis loves long, fast sweepers, and rear-wheel-drive means undiluted feedback through the mildly over-boosted but accurate steering. The aft suspension cuts through a veneer of puff to reveal some deftly controlled travel, and like the best multi-link setups, you can sense the 18-inch wheels working in the wells with little disruption to your line or heading. After decades of front-wheel-drive proliferation, the Genesis is a sweet reminder of why we like rear-wheel drive so much.
The V6 continues to feel strong and is remarkably smooth while cruising. Just off idle around town, when ambling between stop signs, the V6 is starting to sound a little gruff, almost as if it was in need of better gas, but this is the sole aural clue to its rapidly advancing mileage. Though it does not pull up top as hard as the V8, most will be perfectly happy with this snappy V6.
One of my few early gripes with the Genesis when it was showroom new was the quality of the seat leather, which I found to be a bit rubbery, and poor for ventilation even by tanned-hide standards. I was impressed when I heard that one of the few updates for the 2010 Genesis was the "ultra-premium" leather on all V8 models and V6 trims with the premium, nav or tech packages. Having said that, now that we've thoroughly broken in the seats, they seem fine and are even wearing pretty well.
A bargain from the sales floor, as Genesis sedans starts hitting the used market with a fat chunk of a decade warranty intact, you'll be looking an even stronger value.
Paul Seredynski, Executive Editor @ 19,858 miles
October 26, 2009
I had our long-term 2009 Hyundai Genesis V6 over the weekend and kept noticing that the doors were unlocked while I was driving.
I like having the doors lock automatically for three reasons:
1. I usually forget to lock them myself
2. I'm used to having the car do it for me since most new vehicles have this feature
3. I don't care for uninvited guests in my vehicle
C'mon Hyundai -- how could you leave this feature out?
It turns out I should never have doubted our Genesis.
October 20, 2009
I rarely get to drive our 2009 Hyundai Genesis so every time I get into it it feels like the first time. So pardon me if I'm saying something that's already been covered before. But last night when I first opened its doors and those bright LEDs lit up, I couldn't help but exclaim, "Wowwww!" It's so luxurious...and it's a Hyundai!
This is definitely a lonnng way from the Hyundai Excel I used to own back in the day. Now it has interior materials that look and feel high-quality. Features like a power tilt-telescoping steering wheel, cooled/heated driver seat, XM radio and Bluetooth, too?
I had never really quite recovered from my ol' Excel even though Hyundai had improved its products awhile ago and I've jumped in several Hyundais since then. And, I know a beater hatchback and a loaded sedan are vastly different, but I would never have recommended Hyundai before now. Actually my dad is looking for a new sedan. I think he'd really love this one.
Caroline Pardilla, Deputy Managing Editor @ 18,202 miles
October 13, 2009
Had a friend in town over the weekend who just bought a two-year old BMW 5 Series. It's his third BMW in a row and he loves it. Given his car owning history, I was curious what he might think of our Genesis since it's pretty close in price, size and performance to his 528i.
His initial reaction was pretty standard. He said, "Looks pretty good, better than I would have expected from a Hyundai." As we drove around L.A. he started to notice some of the Hyundai's smaller details like the iPod interface, the LED interior lights and how quiet it is on the highway. "Hmm...this thing really is nice. Feels like it's built solid too."
At one point, I let him drive for a bit to get the final word. "Wow, this has way more power than my BMW. Rides a little too soft, but my wife would probably love it. I'm pretty surprised though, it's really a much better car than I would have ever imagined."
Like I said, that's a pretty standard refrain when it comes to the Genesis, but when it you hear it from a long-time BMW owner you know Hyundai is headed in the right direction.
Ed Hellwig, Senior Editor, Edmunds.com @ 17,657 miles
October 07, 2009
Our 2009 Hyundai Genesis adopts the same interior lighting tradeoff found in our old Veracruz, about which I've already whined.
But allow me to re-whine. The instrument cluster is too bright at night, even when dimmed to the lowest setting. And when you peg the dimmer low like that, the little blue-lit buttons elsewhere in the cabin are all but illegible. Letters lit in blue have poor edge definition and so look fuzzy.
Hyundais get blue and Kias get red as a means to differentiate them. I get it, but it's silly. Form should follow function when it comes to information. Give Hyundais red backlighting, or anything other than blue.
At least the two primary gauges above didn't fall victim to this blue nonsense.
Jason Kavanagh, Engineering Editor @ 17,520 miles.
September 23, 2009
I enjoy the serenity of our long-term 2009 Hyundai Genesis. The cabin is quiet on the freeway, and the ride is mostly to my liking (i.e., composed, save for some choppiness on the I-10 freeway). But when I shut off the engine and open the door, serenity comes crashing down as if I've walked into a 7-11 at 2 a.m. The LED dome lights in this car are too intense.
September 20, 2009
Is that the most awesome bus you've ever seen?
Actually, the 2009 Hyundai Genesis is nice and big, too. And plenty roomy.
Its length is 195.9 inches overall on a 115.6-inch wheelbase.
Front legroom is a roomy 44.3 inches with headroom of 40.4 inches. Lots of room for tall guys.
Rear passengers gets lots of space, too, with rear legroom at a generous 38.6 inches and 37.7 inches of headroom.
More comfortable that the bus, I think.
Our 2009 Hyundai Genesis V6 is car of the week.
Donna DeRosa, Managing Editor
September 16, 2009
After I hit the Genesis' turn signal stalk to indicate a left turn (the first turn of my drive home last night), a voice inside my head said, "That felt nice. Why did that feel so nice?" I paid extra attention the next time I had to turn and noticed that the end of the stalk is indented on the top and the bottom, in the exact spot where your hand touches it.
It's a really small thing, but I found that, for the rest of my commute, I looked forward to hitting the turn signal because of those little indentations.
Bryn MacKinnon, Senior Editor, Edmunds.com
September 08, 2009
Some of you might remember that back in early July Brent spilled some fancy tea on our Hyundai's audio/nav controller buttons. His accidental attack only hit the three left buttons which operate the audio functions and he reported then those buttons were sticky.
I've probably driven this car more miles than anyone on staff since this incident, so I feel compelled to report that all the buttons still work. However, the buttons on the left side of the knob have a distinct click and require more effort to push while those on the right side of the knob function normally with no noise or additional effort.
I figured we would have had a failure by now. Impressive.
Josh Jacquot, Senior road test editor @ about 16,000 miles
August 20, 2009
We rolled to lunch this week in our long-term 2009 Hyundai Genesis V6 and caught this guy enjoying the SoCal sunshine.
What does this pooch and our Genesis' rear seat have in common? They're both big puppies!
Albert Austria, Senior Vehicle Evaluation Engineer @ 14,500 miles
August 20, 2009
Architect and furniture-design dude Charles Eames once said "The details are not the details. They make the design." Seems like the folks who designed the Genesis agree, and the sedan's cabin is a more luxurious place because of it. Love the stitching on the doors, seats and dash. And the metallic accents seen throughout strike just the right tone -- subtle, never jarring.
Warren Clarke, Automotive Content Editor
August 18, 2009
It's time for 10 Things I Like About You: Hyundai Genesis Edition
1. quiet, peaceful interior
2. smooth upshifts
3. strong brakes
4. being a passenger sometimes (the rear seats are really comfortable)
5. how it handles my iPod
6. cool-toned courtesy lights when I shut off the car
7. its V6 is more than sufficient, don't need to drop money on the V8
8. roomy, easily accessible trunk
9. cushioned, leather-wrapped dash
10. can comfortably fit 5 adults
Have anything to add to this list?
Donna DeRosa, Managing Editor
August 12, 2009
Devils gate is a rock formation carved by the Sweetwater River about 60 miles Southwest of Casper, Wyoming. This is the least impressive view (the gorge is about 300 feet deep), but it's about as good as one can do and still get a car in the shot.
More sightseeing issues after the jump.
July 22, 2009
I'm not against corporate parts-bin sharing. It's a reality. There are a finite number of suppliers (and the ranks will probably get really finite until sales pick up). And once you get a head unit you like, you're going to use it in more than one vehicle in your lineup. I get that.
But I've never liked the power mirror adjustor Hyundai has used in recent years. I don't like it in less expensive Hyundais and I really don't like it in our long-term 2009 Hyundai Genesis V6. The left/right slider nub is kind of sharp and unpleasant to the touch.
You could argue that I wouldn't have to adjust the mirrors as much if I wasn't sharing the Genesis with 20 other drivers. But maybe I would. This isn't the kind of car I'd own by myself. More likely, I'd share it with a spouse. And although the Genesis has memory for its driver seat and steering wheel, it doesn't have it for the mirrors -- in which case I'd be fiddling with the adjustor several times a week.
Erin Riches, Senior Editor
July 20, 2009
As I was driving into work this morning, I spotted a Hyundai Genesis in the lane next to me that was being used as a livery cab.
Usually, the sedan of choice for these companies is a Lincoln Town Car.
So, limo companies think the Hyundai Genesis is luxurious enough to shuttle around their clients. Interesting.
It definitely has one of the most comfortable back seats in the business.
And it is surely less expensive to outfit a fleet with Hyundais.
Donna DeRosa, Managing Editor
July 20, 2009
I drove up to see a friend in Valencia, California, yesterday in our long-term 2009 Hyundai Genesis sedan. The car's outside temperature gauge told me it was 106. I started using the ventilated seat as soon as I hit the San Fernando Valley, and it worked quite well.
When I picked up my friend, I enthusiastically directed him to turn on the ventilation for the front-passenger seat as well... and then, I realized our Genesis doesn't have that feature. In fact, no Genesis does. There's just a seat heater on that side.
A ventilated driver seat is part of the Technology Package that you can order for either a V6 or V8 Genesis (on our V6, it requires both the Premium and Premium Plus option groups)
I blasted the air-conditioning instead and that also works quite well in our Genesis.
Erin Riches, Senior Editor @ 10,965 miles
July 06, 2009
Saturday night, I piled a bunch of friends into the Hyundai Genesis and took off toward the fireworks.
With a backseat that has 38.6 inches of leg room and 54.3 inches of hip room, we had three people back there with no problem. Of course, we were only driving about a half mile, so I'm not sure how they would feel about the backseat on a long trip. But those seats sure are cushiony.
Click through to see a picture of a firework that looks like the Death Star...and a picture of the Genesis back seat.
Donna DeRosa, Managing Editor
July 02, 2009
Our Hyundai Genesis' iDrive-like audio/nav controller is located right next to the front cupholders. Normally, this is just fine. However, the close proximity of electronics to the cupholders could be a problem if you were to spill a beverage. Or, even better, you might bring in a bottle of soda, shake it up real good and then open it right above the front cupholders.
Who would be so foolish to do that? Well, me, it seems.
You might think I'm just making this up, but the only variance in this story was that it was a bottle of fancy "kombucha" tea, not soda. I had never had it before (just purchased on a whim during grocery shopping) and taken the unopened bottle into the car and was shaking it up before opening it. Who has ever heard of fizzy tea? I hadn't. But it seems the tea is cultured ("with enzymes + probiotics!'") and produces gas.
Just as would happen with soda, fizzy purple tea sprayed all over the front cupholders, the nav/audio controller, the driver seat and my shorts. I had a towel nearby, so thankfully I was able to sop up the spilled liquid pretty quickly. And the controller wheel still works normally, which is good. But a couple of the buttons, like the XM and DISC/AUX, have a sticky operation now.
The tea didn't even taste good, so the whole experience pretty much sucked. If anyone out there has an idea how to make our Genesis' buttons unsticky, please let me know.
June 25, 2009
Answer: When you shove multiple automotive parts into one.
In this case I was trying to carry some Ford GT belly pans home, along with some large interior panels, and the only vehicle available was our long-term Hyundai Genesis.
But as my older brother is fond of saying at such times: "Ahhh, it'll work."
June 22, 2009
I had to give a neighbor a ride to the airport in our Hyundai Genesis last week. He's not into cars, so for the first few miles he didn't even bother to ask what we were in. But then he started looking around paying a bit more attention to the interior. "Hey, this is a pretty nice car," he remarked.
I'm not sure if Hyundai would consider "pretty nice car" a compliment or not, but I think its designers did a nice job in creating an upscale ambiance for the Genesis. The symmetrical dash layout and sweeping, soft curves are pleasing, and the chrome piping along the dash, air vents and steering wheel is tastefully done. Our car also benefits from having leather on the dash that's part of the optional Premium Package.
The Hyundai Genesis doesn't have a luxury-brand badge on its trunk, but as we've noted in our various road tests, that's about the only thing missing from the luxury-car experience.
Brent Romans, Senior Automotive Editor @ 8,702 miles
June 01, 2009
The seat heaters in our long-term Genesis might have three levels, but the lowest setting is all I can stand. Now I grant you that I have a low seat heater BTU tolerance, but putting that sucker on high is like sitting on open flame. My wife likes it of course, but she would be cold on the surface of the sun.
And they warm up quickly too.
Scott Oldham, Edmunds.com Editor in Chief
June 01, 2009
I had a great weekend in our long-term Hyundai Genesis. I really could own this thing. On Saturday it hauled around the entire Oldham clan, kids and all, in total comfort and on Sunday it took the wife and I to the theatre in style.
But I did find a couple of things to complain about just so you don't think I've begun moonlighting for Hyundai's marketing department.
May 06, 2009
I'm in a rush to get somewhere, pretty much all the time. So on those occasions when I get to drive one of our long-termers, I don't usually have time to study the nuances of the car's functionality. Controls that aren't backlit properly, aren't where you expect them, or cryptic symbols drive me batty. I want adjustments to be straightforward: seat, mirrors, radio settings -- you know, the little things that make a car feel more like home.
And it's there where the Genesis started to impress me. As a chronic channel surfer, I liked that controls for volume up/down and radio station selection were all part of one button on the left of the wheel. Simple as it sounds, I also appreciated that the mirrors were controlled quite easily from one button on the armrest. (I don't enjoy mirror or window controls on the door or on the console between the front seats.) Ever been in a car and reach to lower the front window, only to lower the back window instead -- every time you do it? I have. None of this is an issue in the Genesis. Even the nav system was pretty straightforward.
The Genesis isn't trying to dazzle me with electronics that take a graduate degree to figure out. So despite the fact that Hyundai is going for the upscale market, it appears to be remembering its humble roots and not get all high-falutin' about it. It would be that much harder to take the Genesis seriously if it did.
Does this mean I'd buy the car? Maybe, but not necessarily. Sure, the leather seats are great (really!), the ride is super comfortable, the handling plenty sufficient for my gotta-get-there-now maneuvering. The thin, chrome trim around the vents is a nice touch and the paint is, well, sparkly. But there's nothing in the design -- inside or out -- that I found particularly inspiring or that blew me away with its luxury. It's a good car. It's a good value. Often, that's more than good enough.
April 28, 2009
Bigger is better. I really like the Genesis because it allows the buyer to get more room (good) without spending more (bad). Here's a little formula I couldn't stop thinking of as I loaded the trunk full of kids stuff and a few bags of clothes to donate: Luxury=space, space=freedom, freedom=luxury.
See that extra space? That makes me feel all cozy inside - ditto for the roomy interior. Just curious - is there anyone out there looking to spend more money only to get less car?
Brian Moody, Automotive Editor
April 03, 2009
As Jay mentioned in an earlier post, the front seats in our Genesis long-termer have short thigh cushions. Even with my length-lacking legs, I still find the seats don't fit right under my thigh.
But the back seat area in the Genesis is truly magnificent. With 38.6 inches of legroom, an over-six-footer can sit comfortably behind another tall guy.
April 01, 2009
Not only is the 2009 Hyundai Genesis a cut-rate luxury car, it's also a leg connoisseur, demonstrating particular preference for short femurs (the part of the leg above the knee) and long tibias (between the knee and foot). It's a discriminating taste to be sure.
Here's what I mean. The bottom seat cushion is too short. Right now, it accomodates short femurs well but needs to be longer for anyone else (like me). The extendable thigh cushion found in other luxury and near-luxury cars would address this.
Also, the seat doesn't crank down far enough. I'm 6'1" and in the Genesis the seat really needs to be another inch or two lower. Headroom is fine--it's just that when I'm in my regular driving position the pedals are a peculiar downward reach for my feet. Maybe if I transplant a section of my femurs into my tibias I'd be all set. Let me work on that.
Aside from those quirks, these seats are pretty darned comfy. The heated and ventilated driver's seat is just fine by me, too.
Jason Kavanagh, Engineering Editor @ 5,550 miles.
March 31, 2009
The 2009 Hyundai Genesis V6 is a great car -- it's the best $32K sedan out there.
And loaded at $40K, one of the best, for sure.
But is it, as some have written, comparable to the 2009 BMW 750?
If I were a 13 year-old girl or United States Congressman, I would respond to that by text or tweet, "OMG! LOL! Luv ya! Muuaaahh!!"
The Genesis does compare quite well to another luxury car: the Lexus GS350.
In a previous life, I had a lot of experience benchmarking Lexuses (Lexi?), including the GS.
For me, the Genesis is almost identical to it in driving dynamics.
When I first drove a Genesis, if I was blindfolded I'd swear that I couldn't tell the difference between the two. The similarities are remarkable
The ride in particular is quite Lexus-like: super smooth and a bit cushy. Although the ride is flat, well-controlled, and slightly sporty, the Genesis can get a bit floaty over sinusoidal whoops. And while the Genesis has better impact isolation and attenuation than the GS, the overall suspension feeling is somewhat soft -- like a Lexus.
I personally prefer a firmer, more controlled ride (e.g., CTS, 750, TL) than the Genesis or GS. But that's me.
Where the Genesis stands out is in value. A 2009 Lexus GS350 RWD with Navi and premium Mark Levinson audio rings in at a rather expensive $52,000.
That's $12K more than the Genesis for very similar vehicles. The Genesis has similar high quality materials and assembly, and a lot more interior room than the GS.
Is the GS worth the difference? Up to you.
Lexus did recalibrate our luxury car dealership expectations to a higher level.
And Lexus reliability and durability are equalled by but a few.
Although Hyundai is manufacturing some very well-built vehicles today, even my terrible memory can still recall all the broken-down Excels littering the sides of the road when they first entered the U.S. market.
In the luxury car arena, image is important. It's difficult to re-build a reputation that you burned to the ground -- even if that was 20 years ago.
Oh, and good luck explaining your new car purchase to your non-enthusiast spouse: "Honey, I just spent $40 grand -- on a Hyundai!"
Albert Austria, Sr Vehicle Eval Engineer @ 5454 miles
February 27, 2009
Earlier this week I raved about the gauges in the 370Z. They are clean, easy to read and perfectly suited to the car's purpose.
The picture above shows the gauge cluster on our new Genesis sedan. For a luxury car they don't look very luxurious do they?
And what do "luxurious" gauges look like? Well, a little chrome might help. Maybe a different font? I'm not entirely sure, but I do know that every time I look at the current setup it reminds me of Hyundais of old. And that's not a good thing.
Ed Hellwig, Senior Editor @ 1,467 miles
February 23, 2009
Just when you thought you'd seen all the Tour of California blogs, another one appears. I loaded the three-strong family into the Genesis -- no easy challenge given that the most recent addition is still only 11 months old. Those with kids know how much accoutrement kids this age require. And I wasn't going without the Super Stroller.
What's the Super Stroller, you ask? Hit the jump to find out.