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Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai?
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Re: Great Car!! [captain2]
For US sales only: Genesis Sedan 2008 to Aug 2011-- 49000 sold Genesis Coupe 2009 to Aug 2011--30500 sold Total 89500 (sounds pretty close to the number Backy mentioned) source:Hyundai US Sales (click on the historical sales link to download a spreadsheet of Hyundai US sales since 1986 including retail vs fleet numbers) ;)
Hyundai Genesis Sedan 2009+
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Re: Hyundai Owner Loyalty Speeds Past Honda, Replaces Toyota to Take No. 1 Spot [dean3927]
Great article. Is that March 15th 2011. I am assuming that you have a Genesis 2009 and are proud of it.
2010 Genesis Coupe Severe Paint Issues
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2010 Genesis Coupe Severe Paint Issues
Well, our 2010 Bathurst Black Genesis Coupe delivered in September 2009 with water spots everywhere and scratches all over the hood still makes me sick when I wash it...after fighting with the dealer for a year (after they detailed and 'clayed' the car 3 times!), I finally gave in and let their body shop touch up and re-clear the hood last October or so. The shop did a pretty good job, ... Read More
Hyundai Genesis Sedan 2009+
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Re: Approaching Lease End on 2009 Genesis [backy]
In this focus group of one - I'm already a little tired of fluidic styling of the new Hyundais. IMHO, it's going to look dated quickly. I hope Genesis takes a more reserved styling direction - they may wish to distinguish Genesis as I still think it's going to become a distinct brand.
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Re: Approaching Lease End on 2009 Genesis [fedlawman]
Hyundai didn't go "out there" with the first Genesis. But their more recent designs e.g. Sonata, Elantra, Accent, Tucson, and Veloster, have been more imaginative, using the company's "fluidic sculpture" theme. And the Genesis coupe has some unique styling touches. I wouldn't be surprised to see the next Genesis sedan be more daring in styling, but not much more. Luxury sedans aren't known for avant-garde styling.
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Re: Approaching Lease End on 2009 Genesis [alonzo2]
The "empenage" of Genesis and RL are almost exactly the same shape too. Hyundai simply tweaked the appearance by extending the tail lights onto the trunk lid and stretching the chrone trim over the license plate so that it touches the tail lights. I'm not saying the Genesis tail doesn't look nice - I think it looks very good (nicer than the RL, which is rather plain looking). All I'm saying ... Read More
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Re: Approaching Lease End on 2009 Genesis [toye]
My lease is up May 2012, however, mine will be going straight back to Hyundai....
Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai?
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Re: Yep... [fintail]
Isn't Hyundai supposed to be offering a superior alternative in the Genesis to those FWD barges rather than playing with them? A lot of people buy those FWD barges. What's wrong with Hyundai trying to grab some of those buyers? And if they want something different from a FWD barge, there's the Genesis. Any luxury car these days can be had at a nice discount. In fact, in 2010 the biggest ... Read More
Hyundai Genesis Sedan 2009+
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Re: Thinking about a used Genesis 3.8 [tjc78]
I don't know the answer to this question but all the people on this site and those I know who have had the TPS problem have been 2009 models with the tech package. Only Hyundai knows for sure but I suspect it involves a limited number of cars. I do know that the new TPS instalation requires new software that the main tech package will not accept and requires the help ... Read More
Hyundai Genesis Lease Questions
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Re: 2011 Genesis 3.8 Tech Lease Options [timc7]
It’s funny you should post this question, as we just went through this same problem at a dealer in San Jose 10 days ago. It is true the Hyundai leases only extend to 15K miles. You can roll into the lease, or pay up front the additional mileage at 15 cents a mile which would be $2250 (15 cents X 5000 miles X 3 years). Don’t let them try and tell ... Read More
2009 Hyundai Genesis Initial Quality and Issues
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Dealership Experience
I have a comment, that could possibly also serve as advice for some. I am the owner of a 2009 Hyundai Genesis. Even when my vehicle hasn't been bad to me (I had my fair share of problems, but that is beyond the scope of this forum), my dealership experience has been worse than awful. I paid around forty thousand dollars for this car, but when I go back to my ... Read More
Hyundai Genesis Prices Paid and Buying Experience
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Dealership experience
I have a comment, that could possibly also serve as advice for some. I am the owner of a 2009 Hyundai Genesis. Even when my vehicle hasn't been bad to me (I had my fair share of problems, but that is beyond the scope of this forum), my dealership experience has been worse than awful. I paid around forty thousand dollars for this car, but when I go back to my ... Read More
Hyundai Genesis Sedan 2009+
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Re: Hyundai Genesis 2009 - Decleration/Acceleration [yobosayo]
Replying to yobosayo I think I was the first one to experience and report the faulty Throttle Position Sensor (TPS) but I am fortunate enough to have bought my Genny from a much more responsive dealer. Since I was the first, it took a while for them to determine the problem, but they never gave up and they provided me with a loaner car. I am now at almost 74,000 miles ... Read More
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Re: Hyundai Genesis 2009 - Decleration/Acceleration [mchris07]
I had the same problem with the same car and thanks to this forum I was able to get the TPS replaced and this fixed the problem. I first went to my local dealer who denied any problem existed and he said since no codes were generated he could do nothing about it. After a thorough search I found out there is a confidential service bulletin that has been issued to ... Read More
2009 Hyundai Genesis Initial Quality and Issues
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Re: 2009 Hyundai Genesis Initial Quality and Issues [jbhansen]
Excellent car and am enjoying it greatly but discovered that at 31,000 klms. (minus two seasons of snow tire use) so.. perhaps 22 to 25000 klms. the rear tires are worn slick with driver's side showing carcass thru the surface. Fronts very well worn too. Unacceptable! Replaced all with Michelin Pilots.
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bembie22
I purchased a 2009 genesis in December 2008. Since the car has been driven off the dealer lot, carbon has been accumulating on the chrome tips of the exhaust. I use a middle grade gas and have tried high test with no noticable difference in the accumulation. Hyundai service people have been no help. Anyone else having this problem?.
Hyundai Genesis Sedan 2009+
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Re: Hyundai Genesis 2009 - Decleration/Acceleration [mchris07]
It looks like this forum has uncovered a recurring problem that Hyundai needs to know about. Hopefully they are monitoring this site.
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Hyundai Genesis 2009 - Decleration/Acceleration
I have the same issue, my car just turned 20,000 miles and driving down the interstate last week it went into "limp Home mode" from 70 to 20, was nearly killed by a semi behind me. The odemeter stated 75 miles to empty, but I assumed I had run out of gas. Hyudai sent road side assistance, we put gas in it and it seemed to run fine. Today I was ... Read More
2011 Genesis Sedan
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Re: Comments on 2010 Hyundai Genesis sedan [alexk4]
Alexk4 The best testament of the Genesis can found under the blog 2009 Genesis. The blogger Colegar has now put in over 64k on his Genesis V-6 Tech. He puts on a review every 10K 0f mileage. The person had a couple of issues early on but he explains in detail how it was resolved. Check it out :)
2009 Hyundai Genesis Initial Quality and Issues
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Re: 2009 V 8 Genesis [tjc78]
Someone in the aftermarket could make a mint with replacement springs, shocks, bushings, and tires designed to make the Genesis ride like a luxury car instead of an Accent. Hyundai should offer the Genesis with two suspension setups, luxury and sport.They might even sell more Genesi with those options. In any case, it will be better than alienating customers who expected a luxury car ride in their Hyundai.
Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai?
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Re: To all the geni detractors [captain2]
I would suggest to you that the mere fact that Motor Trend wants to test the Gen sedan against things like the Av and Taurus (other upscale sedans) only lends some support to the whole contention that Hyundai will never find that luxury place. I see. So if an automobile magazine tests a car like the Genesis against certain other cars, it is a sign that the car (e.g. Genesis) is ... Read More
2009 Hyundai Genesis Initial Quality and Issues
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Re: 2009 V 8 Genesis [johnson4140]
This is the way the car rides. I have driven about 5 different Genesis models (V6s, V8s, 17"/18" wheels). It is the way the car is designed and they all ride the same. There was a mid year change to the 09s in which they altered some pieces of the rear suspension (actually making it firmer, so the rear didn't bounce as much). Hyundai will not do a thing (referencing several ... Read More
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2009 V 8 Genesis
The suspension system is bad, very rough ride. Is there a fix for IT??Will Hyundai accept responsibility for fixing the problem??
Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai?
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Re: Buy your Hyundai Equus at home... [captain2]
Look up comparision tests Genesis then Look up comparison tests Avalon.. nuf said.. Geni won 2009 NA Car of the Year-- this is a voted on by car journalists, not edmunds bloggers The Dodge Caravan has a boatload of cupholders, room, and is good in the snow(laughable). I mean is toyota serious.. why buy this when you can go ES 350-- same car- both camrys..
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Re: Buy your Hyundai Equus at home... [smarty666]
smarty your back.. this is not an acura... the Big H and other lux cars give a V8 as an option-- as i mentioned--its an option.(you have to pay more, yes. plus its a Bigger sedan.. If/when they offer (and all indications they will) an AWD option this makes this a car a better all around choice... plus its not a camry that has 5k (or more) with no real advantages. ... Read More
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Re: Buy your Hyundai Equus at home... [sweendogy]
yeah but you can't get the V8 at 32k can u? no u can't so why compare a Avalon equipped at that price to a V8 Genesis which I believe starts at around 38 or 39k if I'm not mistaken? the only difference at that price is you have RWD with the V6 in the Genesis vs a FWD with the V6 in the Avalon. Personally, at least up here in ... Read More
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Re: Motor Trend's final long term report for Genesis [toye]
Last time I checked, Nissan isn't an American car company, and it took the 2009 MT COTY. Hyundai not being an American car company had nothing to do with the Genesis taking 2nd, IMO. And I think there is an excellent chance MT will name the Sonata the 2011 COTY. Check back in January and we'll see.
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Re: Motor Trend's final long term report for Genesis [toye]
I think the real reason the Genesis wasn't the 2009 MT COTY is that the winner was the $75,000 GT-R. Coming in 2nd to a car like that isn't too shabby, IMO. MT also picked the 2010 Sonata I4 2nd in a field of 10 mid-sized cars, and said if price was any consideration (duh!), it would be first. (The top car was the much more expensive Passat.) So I don't ... Read More
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Motor Trend's final long term report for Genesis
After reading their final report of the long term Genesis I get the feeling the reason it wasn't choosen as the MT car of year 2009 was their editors may have been bias against Hyundai. They said that at the begining their staff was skeptical of the Genesis but won many of them over and was always in demand to be driven. The only really negative thing was the suspension issue ... Read More
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Re: does acura still belong in the lux group? [captain2]
OK., but $30k entry level models are a whole lot different than a Hyundai dealer that has half his inventory (or more) in things that are sub $20k. How did you figure that? Let's look at Hyundai's US sales YTD and see: CARLINE July/2010 July/2009 CY/2010 CY/2009 ------- --------- --------- ------- ------- ACCENT 3,960 7,634 31,038 40,562 SONATA 17,836 13,381 107,085 73,862 ELANTRA 18,215 13,616 75,779 53,520 TIBURON 0 151 0 ... Read More
2009 Hyundai Genesis Initial Quality and Issues
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2011 Genesis Suspension
There is a post on www.genesisowners.com "For 2011 Hyundai has reverted back to the 2009 suspension, because no one could tell the difference between 2009 and 2010, and they had a lot of 2009 components left over so they thought they would use them up. " Can anyone verify this? I am torn between purchasing a leftover 2010 and a new 2011. Some of the dealers have 2011s and from what ... Read More
Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai?
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Re: does acura still belong in the lux group? [sweendogy]
I'm not caught up in anything. I'm not crazy the direction Acura has taken, and unless something changes between now and the end of the 2011, I won't be going back into another Acura. That doesn't mean they don't have products that are well regarded and sell well. They had winners along after that model. The 3G TL was a huge design and sales success and so was the 1G TSX. ... Read More
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Re: Who will rule the auto world of the future? [fintail]
"Big boys" in size, yes, but since when does domination of a market, as you have asserted, have to do with the size of the cars? Most of MB's, BMW's, Audi's, and Lexus' sales come from their lower-end cars, e.g. C and E Class, 3 and 5 Series, A4 and A6, and ES. Yet a few posts ago you tried to exclude all of these cars from the discussion on market ... Read More
Hyundai Genesis Sedan 2009+
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2009 Genesis 3.8 with 23K update and long drive review
To add another review of a 2009 Genesis 3.8 with 23K miles. I have just returned from a round trip from CT to Orlando FL (2800 miles in all) and I have to say, the Genesis was a joy to drive. I put in 4 days of 10 to 12 hours of driving and it was incredibley comfortable. Having the GPS, the rear window shade, the rain sensing wipers, the V6 ... Read More
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5,000 MILE UPDATE AT 60,000 MILES
2009 V6 with Tech Pack I am late with my update that I have been posting at 5,000 mile intervals. My odometer rolled past 60,000 miles early last week. There is not a whole lot to report that has not been mentioned before. Here are a few things of note: I wanted to get a couple of random glitches taken care of before the expiration of the 60,000 mile general warranty, ... Read More
Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai?
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"The Genesis is a smart luxury buy"
So says C/D in their August issue, in the summary of their 40k mile long-term test report. C/D has decided to keep their 2009 Genesis 4.6 to 100k miles--which is very unusual for a test-fleet car if not unprecedented. They also wonder in their summary if buyers will see Hyundai as a luxury brand in the same way as Lexus. So C/D at least has no problem differentiating a luxury car ... Read More
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Re: sounds good [captain2]
Would "enthusiasts" include the editors of Automobile Magazine? It is also important to mention that in nearly a year and almost 30,000 miles of hard use the Genesis has yet to experience any problems that require service, save for an airbag control unit recall at 26,000 miles. And the great-looking interior is showing none of the signs of wear that tend to crop up after a year of demanding use. Despite ... Read More
Hyundai Genesis Sedan 2009+
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Re: Any experience in snow? [tjc78]
Funny that you mention that...here's a blog that was posted about the Genesis Sedan in snow, however...notice they mentioned all-season tires... 2009 Hyundai Genesis: A 790.2 Mile Run to the Snow Part 3 Another article that was posted... Day-by-Day Review: 2009 Hyundai Genesis Sedan Tires will always make a difference. Heck, the OEM Michelins that came on my Azera were TERRIBLE. I put the General Altimax HP's on and it's a ... Read More
Hyundai Genesis Lease Questions
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Re: Residual & MF on NEW 2009 sedans? [FrankRizzo]
No problem FrankRizzo. Hyundai Finance's current buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36 month lease of a 2010 Genesis Sedan V6 with 12,000 miles per year are .00127 and 54%, respectively. The numbers for an otherwise identical lease of a Genesis Sedan V8 are .00102 and 52%. When negotiating your lease on either of these cars, make sure to take advantage of the $1,000 cash incentive that ... Read More
Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai?
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Re: yet another basher? [captain2]
"nonsense - I would be willing to bet that they haven't even come close to recover those millions they spent on just Super Bowl ads - not on the sale of a mere 15000 cars or so - and after that we can talk about the developmennt costs of any truly new design that normally takes years to recover if they ever do." ******* Yeah, I'd take your word over that ... Read More
2009 Hyundai Genesis Initial Quality and Issues
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Re: Genesis Problems
This forum began in Ocbober of 2008 listing quite a few fairly significant defects and flaws in the 2009 Genesis. In other forums I have also noticed numerous issues from the notorious early suspension problems to mostly electronic flaws with the radio amplifiers, steering wheel tilt resetting, and a zillion TSBs covering different issues. This forum has been relatively quiet for the last 3 months. Are all the problems resolved or ... Read More
Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai?
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Re: it is when..... [captain2]
"Given that the $25k Azera has not sold very well, and that even the $35k Gen sedan sales pale in comparison to the sales figures for other (upscale) sedans in its price category, the question remains, in my mind, has the market really demonstrated that it is ready for even a $30k Hyundai branded product - never mind one that is 60????" - The Azera was a decent, but hardly an ... Read More
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Re: Example of making room for Hyundai [backy]
what other Asian automaker has used a V8 RWD luxury sedan under its own brand name to elevate the opinion of the brand in the US? A luxury car with a longer warranty than any other car in its class and all this you think is innovation? Sounds like marketing to me. Guess I'll need to look it up in Webster's! No doubt the Gen a quite luxurious sedan BTW but ... Read More
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Re: Example of making room for Hyundai [captain2]
For the time being I put the name/quality perception at some level approximating Ford's, improving but still lagging those of the J2 1/2. Actually Ford's Quality has surpassed the J3, the only thing keeping them down are the old Explorer and Expedition lines, which hopefully with the new release coming out, will improve their standings. Profits of 2.1 Billion are no laughing matter. I owned a 2009 Camry Hybrid, within 2 ... Read More
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Re: Interesting.. [tjc78]
"IMO the ES outsold the Gen (in its third year BTW) is simply because of the Lexus name (in 2007 it sold nearly 90K units). It doesn't matter to me, its just for the discussion purposes and why Hyundai doesn't have a good enough brand recognition yet to be in the luxury market." In that case, why didn't the Lexus GS outsell the Genesis in 2009, or the Infiniti M (the ... Read More
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Re: toye... [iluvmysephia1]
Personally, I haven't been impressed with Kia yet. I don't think they have anything to write home about yet. Hyundai on the other hand has peaked my interest and I plan to visit them extensively at the auto show this weekend. I definitely am going to cross shop Hyundai the next time I'm in the market for a car. The Sonata being my favorite thus far. I'm also curious to test ... Read More
Hyundai Genesis Sedan 2009+
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Re: Hyundai Genesis - winter driving [hundafiniti]
I have owned an Infinity Q45 for 11 years and replaced it with a 2009 Genesis 6 cyl with tech package. They are two totally different cars. The infinity is a soft suspension Lexus style highway car with intermediate power, low torque, highly luxurious that drives itself and makes it hard for the driver to imagine he is actually driving the car. The Genesis is a high torque, refined, luxury car ... Read More
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Re: Hyundai Genesis - winter driving [hundafiniti]
Actually, the Dunlops are not that bad as I drove in 2 major snow storms in NJ (Feb 2010). Similar Dunlop OEMs are also installed on BMW X5 V8 Model. Genesis 3.8 Fully loaded is really nice as I drive one since Oct 2009 (6 months). So far no technical issues at all - It is a world class car. However, there is a refresh planned for 2011 (Oct/Nov 2010 launch) ... Read More
Hyundai Genesis Lease Questions
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2010 Genesis 3.8 sedan: clueless dealer
I visited my local Hyundai dealer to check out the Genesis. The car looked fine, but the sales "consultant" who came to "help" was as clueless as any I've ever met. I'm looking for the Nav/Lexicon upgrade and need 15k/yr for either 2 or 3 years. Seems simple enough though when I asked for a ballpark on the monthly payment, front money, and service cost, the gentleman's face went blank. The ... Read More
Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai?
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Re: let's tone it down a notch please [captain2]
You missed the point. Sure they modified the car, but still use the base 3.8L V6 internals, stitched the body for rigidity, and tweaked some suspension components, and is doing some damn fine racing with the car. An R-type Coupe is an excellent platform to race with, without modifications, and with some minor modifications is a very fine racer. Lets put it this way, you claimed Hyundai has not made a ... Read More
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Re: let's tone it down a notch please [j2j]
In 2009, the Genesis outsold every E segment import sedan save the E Class and 5 Series. It outsold the M, GS and A6 by a 2:1 margin (as for Acura, the RL, and not the TL, is in the E segment). That is great for Hyundai, however, IMO it doesn't compete against those cars. The M and RL are long in the tooth and the GS and A6 are hardly ... Read More
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Re: let's tone it down a notch please [tjc78]
It doesn't, my point is that, the car is too much of a compromise between cruiser and sport sedan. One size fits all doesn't work in the land of 40K sedans. People will just look elsewhere. Just recently in another Edmund's forum a poster felt the Genesis wasn't quite sporty enough and ended up in a TL, however, really liked the car otherwise. I on the other hand will not buy ... Read More
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Re: let's tone it down a notch please [backy]
it's that indeed a small percentage of Genesis owners complained about suspension tuning on the 2009 model. if this is the case, the WHY did Hyundai feel the need to 'fix' it. I assure you that the Koreans worship the dollar every bit as much as the rest of us (probably more) - they wouldn't seem likely to fix something that (according to you and everybody else) ain't broke - now ... Read More
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Re: let's tone it down a notch please [backy]
Before the Genesis was sold in the US the insiders reported that the Genesis was supposed to have adaptive curse control. When they announced the specs that feature was not part of any package. The reason for it was that Hyundai was not satisfied with the product and that they needed more time and research to fine tune the feature. Once they were satisfied they announced it in the 2010 model ... Read More
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Re: let's tone it down a notch please [fintail]
If you are saying that neither MB nor any other luxury automaker has ever made a running change to a current design, and thus Hyundai's action to make a running improvement in the Genesis sedan was unprecedented (sorry, Mr. Obama), then I consider your earlier statement that (paraphrased) "Hyundai should have got it right the first time" fair. But I think if you check history, you will find it is very ... Read More
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Re: let's tone it down a notch please [fintail]
There has been ample discussion in more than one venue about Genesis suspension issues, which translate directly into uneven handling. That is based on, what? Your experience behind the wheel of the 2009 Genesis? When I read the comments about the 2009 Genesis and "unsettled" ride, I don't see them mention "uneven handling". Really the focus of those comments was on the ride not being as buttoned-down as some owners would ... Read More
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Re: let's tone it down a notch please [fintail]
I have read the Genesis sedan owner reports. Not long ago I went through all 130 or so that were posted for the 2009 model at that time. (Of course, 2010 is on the right now.) I found only a handful mentioned issues with the suspension/ride, and none with the handling. That is why I asked what "handling" (direct quote from you) issues you knew about. Edit: I just looked at ... Read More
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Re: I'll second these emotions... [captain2]
Uhh, Infiniti has been selling the M at a much greater discount than the Genesis; the prime reason why the residuals on the M are lower than that for the Genesis. The same goes for Acura w/ the RL - huge amounts of $$ on the hood. Even BMW and Mercedes (which have much more prestige than Lexus or Acura) were discounting heavily in 2009 (more so than what Hyundai was ... Read More
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this is somewhat ridiculous
The question should be "would I buy this Hyundai for $35,000" and not would I buy a "luxury" Hyundai. I have been car shopping for weeks and keep coming back to the Genesis. I've test driven them all. I'd like to spend around $35,000. I really went in to this with an open mind. I have been driving minivans for 14 years and have been looking forward to my first "not ... Read More
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Re: I'll second these emotions... [tjc78]
Not everybody shops purely based on price - many shop based on features - RWD, V8, handling, etc. w/ price being a factor after taking the other stuff into consideration (people who like the soft, floaty ride of the ES likely wouldn't be interested in the firm, almost harsh ride of the much sportier G37 and vice versa). Based on a survey on a Genesis owners site, most people (coming from ... Read More
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drive it forever or buy it used
"Hyundai seeks to expand upon its affordable luxury reputation. It wants to be considered a legitimate luxury brand. And it's getting there quietly but steadily. Hyundai's decision to let the Genesis name stand on its own without any distinguishing Hyundai badges is a unique strategy that makes this car a kind of blind taste test. Hyundai wants us to like this car before we realize that it's a Hyundai. And like ... Read More
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Re: Useless to reply to one. . . [smarty666]
Well, since you said that the luxury brands top their mainstream counterpart brands in resale value, I guess what I would like to see is some numbers on a brand level--not picking single vehicles from a specific model year from each brand. I expect those brand-level numbers exist, but I haven't been able to find them. Maybe they aren't accessible to the general public? But anyway, I took your suggestion and ... Read More
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Re: What makes Luxury, Luxury? [smarty666]
"if Hyundai is truly going to make it as a serious competitor against Toyota, Honda, Nissan, VW, GM and Ford I think at some point in the next 10 years they are going to have to establish some sort of luxury division because all of their major competitors have one, Honda-Acura, Nissan-Infiniti, Toyota-Lexus, GM-Cadillac, Ford-Lincoln, VW-Audi, and Hyundai-??? what do you guys think? will Hyundai have to do this to stay ... Read More
Hyundai Genesis Sedan 2009+
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Re: Hyundai Genesis and Bluetooth [bigal728]
I also have a 2009. You may need a new module. I had a problem w/my BT system in that I'd push the icon button, it'd say "ready," & I'd say call & announce the name, but it didn't hear my request. Some days later it started working again, only briefly. The dealer's service guy who fiddles w/hi tech stuff couldn't find a cause, ordered a new module from the 3rd ... Read More
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Hyundai Genesis and Bluetooth
I have a 2009 Genesis with the tech package. My HTC Touch Pro 2 will pair with the bluetooth in the car. I can send calls with my phone but I have a problem receiving calls. There is no indication on the screen that a call is coming in. I cannot answer the call by pressing the "phone" icon on the steering wheel. If I press the answer key on my ... Read More
Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai?
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Re: Recent Hyundai Recognitions [captain2]
First, your total dismissal of the luxury car market outside the U.S. is preposterous. Myopic at best. Unless you can convince our Host to change the title of this discussion to, "Is there room in the USA's luxury market for Hyundai?" Second, when you brought up Honda and Toyota outselling Hyundai, you didn't say anything about "in the USA only." Third, maybe you could answer my question as to why GM ... Read More
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Re: Recent Hyundai Recognitions [captain2]
So when you are faced with the facts, you turn a 180... from a discussion on perceived quality and reliability, to sales numbers. But then, your numbers are wrong! Hyundai does NOT lag Honda in sales, nor Nissan--so it outsells 2 of the J3. Hyundai Group is the world's fourth largest automaker. And right at this moment, they are the world's third largest automaker and lead Toyota in sales (since Toyota's ... Read More
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Re: Recent Hyundai Recognitions [captain2]
Unlike our friend backy that believes apparently that any really well optioned automobile can be a luxury car,... Tell you what... you don't put words on my fingers, and I won't put words on your fingers, OK? I find it difficult to believe that after all this time you still don't understand my position. I think that Hyundai would have to have at least the quality and reliability perceptions that the ... Read More
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Recent Hyundai Recognitions
*********** Top Ten Cars of the Decade Countdown: #5 Hyundai Genesis http://pricinginsider.carsdirect.com/2009/12/29/top-ten-cars-of-the-decade-count- - down-5-hyundai-genesis/ Top Ten Cars to Look Forward to in 2010: #3 Hyundai Sonata http://pricinginsider.carsdirect.com/2010/01/19/top-ten-cars-to-look-forward-to-- - in-2010-2011-hyundai-sonata/ Best New Cars 2010 (Genesis Coupe & Kia Forte) http://cars.about.com/od/whatscomingin2010/tp/bestnewcarsof2010.htm
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Re: Has anyone read the cover story from Fortune [fintail]
Can you even define my "position"? Well, since you seem to be incapable of doing that consistently, why should I try? ;) Whatever I'd say would be blown off as rantings of a "fanboy", anyway. (Which is a great way to dismiss someone--just call them a name/label, and an inaccurate and disparaging one at that.) For example, first you bring up the point about whether Hyundai can make something as complex ... Read More
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Re: Has anyone read the cover story from Fortune [millwood0]
If Honda could do it, they would have. They tried for 2009, and failed. To Hyundai. Honda did earn this distinction in the past, however. And when they did, they were quite proud about it, and obviously felt it would help them sell cars (therefore improve sales, and shareholder value): For example, see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY-CQw3-G0k But let's follow your line of reasoning. By your line of reasoning, selling the Genesis sedan under ... Read More
Hyundai Genesis Prices Paid and Buying Experience
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Re: 2009 Genesis sedans ---discounts [nl09]
I was in the car business in Orlando a year ago--standard practice there is to advertise a ridiculous price like $10,000 off and hide a little tiny disclaimer that says something to the effect of "with $4,000 down in cash or trade equity". It is usually next to impossible to find the disclaimer and the dealership explains that it is a common practice in that market and if they didn't do ... Read More
Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai?
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The best cars of the year (calendar yr. 2009)
*************************************** Hyundai Genesis Coupe / VW GTI http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-best-cars-of-the-year-2010-01-02?siteid=YAH- OOB
Hyundai Genesis Prices Paid and Buying Experience
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2009 Genesis sedans ---discounts
A Hyundai dealer in the Tampa bay Fl. area is advertising $10000.00 off 2009 Genesis sedans. No other details in the advertisment. Must be v8 model loaded. but if you can get a $42,000 car for $32,000 , its not all that bad.
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Re: Considered buying a Genesis [espo35]
The longer you wait, the higher the price-tag will be, as the awards pile up. The 2010 4.6 in the showroom behind me reads $43,995.00. That's 4K higher than the '09 that sat there last year read I don't think so. Like I said, I've been shopping for Genesis, almost pulled the trigger (maybe discussion here will convince me to reconsider my decision not to buy Genesis). So I know the ... Read More
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They are giving Genesis away now...
Just shopped for a V8 Genesis. The 2010 4.6 model (NOT 2009) can be purchased here in Northern Virginia for $1,500 - $2,000 under invoice. And that's without any incentives available from the manufacturer (at least as far as I know). Check out Fairfax Hyundai dealership Web site for example for their "Internet" prices.
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Re: Genesis competitors [backy]
Closer to 7-1 in 2009. Keep in mind that even if Hyundai's Sonata plant in Alabama were max'ed out, they could ship no more than about 200,000 cars a year out of there. So they will be at a big numerical disadvantage vs. Toyota + Honda + Nissan no matter what. OK I 'll rephrase if it makes you feel better - how else do you explain the 7 Camcordimas they ... Read More
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Re: Genesis competitors [captain2]
Buyers are still brand conscious - how else do you explain the ten Camcordimas sold versus every one Sonata - despite the Sonata being thousands cheaper than any of the the other three. Uh, no, that is not even close to reality. Closer to 7-1 in 2009. Keep in mind that even if Hyundai's Sonata plant in Alabama were max'ed out, they could ship no more than about 200,000 cars a ... Read More
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Re: Huh? [carolinabob]
Thanks for the summary of Professional opinions on the Genesis sedan. Here's the net-net of those opinions: * Consumer Reports: Top-rated car in its price class and CR "Recommended". * Motor Trend: 2009 COTY runner-up. From the July 2009 review of the 3.8: Badge snobs will probably stay away, but those interested in a great entry-level luxury car will not be disappointed. * R&T May 2009 review re Handling: The Genesis' ... Read More
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Re: Huh? [wayne52]
Wayne, unlike some on this forum you appear to be sincerely interested in learning as much as you can about a vehicle. If so, you are the reason why I continue to post and subject myself to attacks from the very few. If you go back to the beginning of the 2009 Genesis forum and even to this one, you will find many, many different people complaining about the ride/suspension in ... Read More
Hyundai Genesis Sedan 2009+
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Long Term update...
Date: October 2009 Miles: 16,000 Last winter we picked the Hyundai Genesis sedan as our 2009 MotorWeek Driver's Choice Best Luxury Car. And now, 8 months into our long term test, we have no regrets. Indeed, the Genesis has exceeded our expectations in quality fitment, with a warm, welcoming use of materials and space, as well as a refined driving response. With a smooth, well-controlled highway ride, and ample handling prowess, ... Read More
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Spec-R Turbo Coupe
Just some nice info for your reading pleasure. ;) http://www.hyundai-blog.com/index.php/2009/10/30/hyundai-genesis-coupe-20-turbo-- r-to-hit-the-streets/
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Re: reality [carolinabob]
So you don't like the way the 2009 Genesis (I assume you haven't driven the 2010 model yet) rides. Fine. You don't like the interior. Fine. You don't like HMA's customer service. Fine. You should buy a car you like, from a company that gives you an acceptable level of service. Why add the sweeping (and inaccurate) generalizations about the credit of Hyundai buyers?
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Re: sandwiched between the Taurus SHO and the Avalon Limited [steve_]
I've only been in one car, a Lexus, that had cooled seats. It was OK but I could do without it. In MN, heated seats (with leather) are much more useful. I am a bit surprised Hyundai didn't add the cooled passenger seat for 2010. Lack of that feature was noted by quite a few owners in their reviews--many more than noted a problem with the suspension. Yet they tweaked the ... Read More
Hyundai Genesis Lease Questions
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Re: 2010 v 2009 [lhatten]
Greetings lhatten. Hyundai's October buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36 month lease of a 2010 Genesis Sedan V6 with 15,000 miles per year are .00149 and 51%, respectively. The numbers for an otherwise identical lease of a 2010 Genesis Sedan V8 are .00112 and 48%. Hyundai's October buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36 month lease of a 2009 Genesis Sedan V6 ... Read More
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Re: Stand Alone Dealers and Luxury car success [captain2]
divSlapping a "Genesis" badge on the trunk makes a Genesis (presto/change-o) a luxury car, right? * BMWs are commonly sold alongside $16k econo-hatchbacks, thus BMWs are not luxury cars, right? - no slapping a 'Genesis' badge on the car doesn't in itself change anything, but anything that would serve to distance the car from its more mundane heritage can't hurt - that's exactly what the J3 did, isn't it? And it ... Read More
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Genesis ride
Ok, now I've driven both a V6 and a V8 version of the 2009 Genesis. I still haven't driven a 2010, so my comment only applies to the older version. In my opinion, the Genesis is a beautiful car, the engine and transmission are well matched, the interior is gorgeous...but, the ride is awful. Both cars were equipped with18 inch wheels, the terrible Dunlop tires (very stiff sidewalls and terrible tread ... Read More
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My actual lease cost: 2009 3.8 w/tech
I just leased a 2009 3.8 Genesis w/tech from Capitol Hyundai in San Jose with the following terms: MSRP $40180 Cap cost $36700 (~$600 below invoice) MF 0.00019 Residual 46% Wear/tear coverage $603 Payment $507 + tax Had a very smooth experience with these guys, and they were much more responsive than other dealers in the area. They have a few more 2009 left I think. Only question I had was ... Read More
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Excellent website
I recommend anyone considering, or owning, a Genesis check out this site. IMO they give the most balanced review and even break down the road test, scores, etc. by model -separeately for 3.8, 4.6 and coupe. They also update it periodically though it may be hard to tell sometimes-you have to check the scores on the road tests. http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/2009-hyundai-genesis-trim-options.htm-
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Re: Hyundai "IS" a luxury car manufacturer [sergio19]
For the Record...I own a 4.6/Tech Genesis and couldn't be happier with it. I think it rides EXCELLENT and would NOT change suspension even if they pay me! Also for the record, I like the ride of my 2009 Genny V8 just the way it is. I have a little over 8000 miles now and I don’t have the problem that the V6 guys are complaining about. Just last week a ... Read More
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Like the 2010 4.6
I drove a 2010 v8 in the past week. I like it. I don't remember exactly what the ride was like in 2009 I drove a few months back but back then, there was something about the ride I wasn't totally comfortable with. Maybe it's the suspension problem everyone talks about? I purchased a Mercedes 2009 E350 in the summer because it was a good price. I've come to the conclusion ... Read More
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Genesis ride
I've been watching the Genesis sedan postings since before it was actually introduced and I've been very interested in the vehicle. Today, after much research and reflection, I test drove a 2009 Genesis 3.8 with the premium plus package (18 inch wheels), titanium gray with black interior. The car is absolutely beautiful, the steering is first class, and the interior is gorgeous. However...the ride is rickshaw quality. The tires were stock ... Read More
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Re: Genesis Suspension [alan_s]
Has anybody driven a 2010 Genesis? Does it ride significantly better than the 2009? If so, Hyundai should replace the suspension components on the 09s with those on the 10s as the 09 customers desire. It might be as simple as replacing the shocks and springs, as expensive as the tires, or as complex as the bushings. What tires are on the Genesis? If they're Bridgestones, then there's a big part ... Read More
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Re: The difference is... [andres3]
They were able to avert abysmal sales by offering America's best warranty program, period... I give USA car buyers more credit than that. A longer warranty might help sales for a little while. But if the quality and reliability of the cars isn't there, warranty alone won't sell cars (see the earlier posts about Mitsubishi and Chrysler, for example). So I disagree completely with an earlier comment made that Hyundai's warranty ... Read More
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Re: Stand Alone Dealers and Luxury car success [lokki]
Per Galves, the wholesale book for the Northeast region, V8 Genesis models have no market Value yet. Not enough have come back. The V6 cars with a moonroof are showing trade in value between 26,500 and 28,000 with 11,000 miles. I don't think they have been out long enough to really get a meaningful sample size for values though. According to Hyundai's website that car had a sticker of $34,250 so ... Read More
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Re: Hyundai NOT a luxury car manufacturer [marvinlee1]
Have you driven the 2010 Genesis sedan? If so, how does the ride compare to the 2009?
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Re: Not a luxury car company [carolinabob]
I am not sure where you are getting your figures, but they don't match reality: The BMW Group also reported a year-to-date sales volume of 179,219 vehicles, down 24.2 percent, compared to 236,327 vehicles sold in the first nine months of last year. http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2009/10/01/479933.html Volvo sales, YTD vs. 2008: down 22.2% http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2009/10/01/479933.html Porsche’s overall year-to-date sales in 2009 are 14,310 compared to the first nine months of last year when they ... Read More
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