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I'm in Montreal Canada, and have the same Fuel Gauge problem on a 2009 Rogue. Taking it in for second time this week for the same repair. Makes me think lon and hard about buying another Nissan product. stephenpl
Am I looking for the impossible? I'm trying to an AWD SV with the SL package, and I can't find any in the colors I want anywhere! Is there a shortage of this model? Thus far I've tried two states surrounding me (MD and PA), the dealers where my parents live (NY), and I'm ready to start looking in VA next since it's not that far of a drive. I have ... Read More
I'll one up all of the cvt problems. My 2008 Rogue CVT was 5K miles out of warranty and Nissan will replace it if I pay $3506.00. I thought I may get extra consideration since I also own a 2009 Altima and 2010 Frontier, but this corporation of assholes do not value their customers. I was going to buy a 2012 Murano, but the HONDA CROSSTOUR IS MY NEXT PURCHASE. GOODBYE ... Read More
I had the same problem as you are having! I bought my rouge 2008 in feb of 2009 and I heard niosecs like you are hearing since March 2009 I took it into dealer 3 times and had to scream at them that something needed to be fixed and that I knew it was the transmission because I had read on here about ewvertyones problems so in Oct of 2010 with ... Read More
I took my 2009 NIssan Rogue SL AWD into the dealer's service department to have some warranty work done. At the same time I was negotiating a trade-in of the car for a newer model. While the car was in the shop a salesman went out to evaluate the condition of the car to arrive at a trade-in value. I was not present while he was taking a look at the ... Read More
I just rotated my Nissan van's tires yesterday. I do front to back since that's more convenient for me, but an X pattern is better. The only time it's usually recommended to do front to back is when you have directional tires (crossing radial tires is fine). Tire Rotation Instructions (Tire Rack). You can download a free manual and check what Nissan recommends for your Rogue. I'd be curious to see ... Read More
I came to this forum because I found a post very similar to my issue. Drove 550 miles to visit my parents. Everything was good. On the way home, I tried driving over a mountain pass and got stuck at 2500 RPM's and could not accelerate no matter how far I pushed the gas. 2009 Rogue S AWD 53k miles. It turned out, according to the nissan dealership, that there was ... Read More
I bought a 2010 nissan rouge in nov 09 and since then i have had trouble with it starting. i crank the ignition but nothing happens beside the lights in the dashboard turn on. this went on until june of 2010. It seemed that the service dept was finally able to fix it by replacing several parts that pertained to the ignition. Everything was fine until today i turned on the ... Read More
Side airbags deployed today in 2009 Nissan Rogue after simply closing the door while parked in my driveway. Police, Fire, EMT. Facial burns, lost hearing in right ear. Cops said they haven't seen anything like this before. Internet full of stories like this. Another Toyota thing? If it had happened while I was driving, I would have been killed and people would have thought the airbags deployed simply because of the ... Read More
sorry not sure about price but having a 2009 AWD Nissan Rogue , the AWD is nothing more than a enhanced traction control it works if that for a split second dont waste your money get the front wheel drive it will be better in the snow and cost less trust me....I live in the snow belt
Ok I do not think this is transmisson problem Last Friday while driving around 35mph my 09 rogue stalled without warning, tried to restart at least 10 times car would start for about 3 seconds and stall again. Had it towed to Nissan dealer where they did not look at until Monday, of course it ran fine and had no codes stored so was returned to me. With no explaintion of ... Read More
Ok I do not think this is transmisson problem Last Friday while driving around 35mph my 09 rogue stalled without warning, tried to restart at least 10 times car would start for about 3 seconds and stall again. Had it towed to Nissan dealer where they did not look at until Monday, of course it ran fine and had no codes stored so was returned to me. With no explaintion of ... Read More
I was going to call this message "Why my Nissan Rogue Makes me sick". I am an asthma sufferer. I have a 2009 Nissan Rogue. About 3 weeks ago I took the car in because the cabin fan developed a low pitched noise and the air movement dropped off drastically. The dealer took apart the dash and brought out a big clump of green insulation and said that was the cause. ... Read More
I bought an Orange 2009 Rogue SL AWD in July of 08. One year went by with no problems. I have 25,400 miles on it. I thought that I passed the window of possible transmission issues. However, in August, I started to hear a knocking and pinging under the hood. It reminded me of my Dad's 86 Olds Cutlass Supreme when I would put cheap gas into it then drag race ... Read More
I am having the same problem with my 2009 Rogue. I bought the car brand new off of the lot in November of 09 and 1st noticed the water coming in the back hatch about a month ago. I called the dealership and they asked me to bring the car to them (which is an hour away) I did, they looked at the leak said that it was the glass and ... Read More
Reading through all of these it makes me feel better that I'm not the only one, but yet I'm upset just like most of you that I have "wasted" my time and money on the Rogue. In the year I've owned my 2009 AWD Rogue I've had it back to the dealer at least 6 times. I kept hearing a weird noise at low speeds just a few short months of ... Read More
I did not pay a $595 acq. fee - it was waived. I did not get the leather package with the moonroof. Regular option that the SL comes with. Residual rate was 62% - correct. I also have in my lease agreement a disposal fee of $395 which I did confirm with NMAC. Nissan began the disposal fees in Jan 2009 however I assume when you return the car and take ... Read More
I purchase from Garden City Nissan, in NYS. (Long Island) All leases from NMAC now have a $395 disposition fee at the end of the lease. This began Jan 2009. I checked to make sure!
I will keep you informed when we find out more. Nissan cannot keep getting away with this especially if their vehicles are unsafe. All we wanted was for them to read the air bag sensor (black box) so that we could feel safe in the brand new vehicle that we paid good money for. Then we would know if it was the vehicle, and if so, for them to replace it ... Read More
Just found this thread...I have been going nuts with my 2010 Rogue transmission. It really is a piece of junk. After a week of ownership in Sept 2009, took it in to the dealer as it was rattling, vibrating and jerking especially at low speeds. They tried replacing some exhaust parts...waste of time. To cut a long story short, opened a file with Nissan and they replaced the transmission after 2 ... Read More
Have you ever had airbags go off??? They go off in an instant with quite the force. When you are not expecting it, it is very logical that the foot would come off the brake. Its a natural reaction for the body to curl up as a protection mechanism. The gas pedal was not pushed. We did not even know that we hit the vehicle in front of us until the ... Read More
Hi Carla. Since you are new to leasing, you definitely should check out the following informative articles that are available here at Edmunds.com prior to visiting any dealers: 10 Steps to Leasing a New Car and Calculate Your Own Lease Payment. In short, the best way to negotiate a good deal on a leased vehicle is to shop around for the lowest possible selling price on the vehicle that you want ... Read More
Hello, I need some help. Does anyone have any experience dealing with Nissan about getting the black box read? We were stopped at a red light and the airbags deployed causing us to hit the vehicle in front of us. We have a 2009 Nissan Rogue. This happened 2 months after we bought it. Now we are fighting with insurance and Nissan Canada to read the black box to find out ... Read More
Just got the Rogue back from Universal City Nissan yesterday (third time in for the transmission) they said nothing wrong with the car at all. I had printed up all the postings from this forum as well as 3 others. He basically could care less. My wife has to drive down a grade every day on the 405 and it's scaring the hell out of her. They gave us a 2009 ... Read More
So my gf and I went to test drive the 2009 cube and ended up buying a 2010 nissan rogue.. go figure.. Our purchase at premier nissan in san jose, ca: 2010 Rogue SL Black exterior/black interior Premium package ROOF RAIL CROSS BARS SPLASH GUARDS FLOOR MATS + TRUNK COVER or something MSRP = $25,070 $22,000 - $500 (rebate) = $21,500 $55 documentation fee $350 or something for title stuff Tax ... Read More
So my gf and I went to test drive the 2009 cube and ended up buying a 2010 nissan rogue.. go figure.. Our purchase at premier nissan in san jose, ca: 2010 Rogue SL Black exterior/black interior Premium package ROOF RAIL CROSS BARS SPLASH GUARDS FLOOR MATS + TRUNK COVER or something MSRP = $25,070 $22,000 - $500 (rebate) = $21,500 $55 documentation fee $350 or something for title stuff Tax ... Read More
Hi Car_man - I have just seen this lease deal at my Vegas Nissan dealer: Can you tell me if this is something worth doing? I have no clue how to deal with leases and am at a disadvantage being a girl amongst the Vegas salesmen sharks. Thank you! Carla 2010 Rogue S AWD w/ Splash and Mats Lease 39 Months - $199/Month - $3,594 initial payment. 2010 Rogue S AWD ... Read More
Hey cous. I don't know this vehicle's exact dealer invoice price, but it likely has a spread of around $2,250 between its MSRP and invoice so we'll use that number for this exercise. Things get a little more complicated from there. Through the 18th of this month, Nissan is providing a special $500 cash incentive on this model everywhere. So far so good, however it has a $1,000 cash incentive on ... Read More
Hi Car Man, I was wondering if you could help me? I have been reading some of the posts and have taken note that models loose their residual value at the end of the model year. I hope the Rogue isn't too gone. I am looking at a 2009 SL AWD with sunroof/awd prem package/leather package plus a few small extras (mats, guards, kickplates, etc). The sticker price is $29455 and ... Read More
This is what i saw on the Rogue not sure if anybody is getting this deal I think the 1250 rebate is included on the price of 17764 http://www.fitzmall.com/fitzway/carfind/RESULTSB.ASP?V_XREFID=FTON060247:2009-09- -02T2318.513
Hi t_c. Here's the information that you're looking for. Nissan Motor Acceptance Corp.'s current buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36 month lease of a 2009 Rogue SL AWD with 15,000 miles per year are .00196 and 55%, respectively. Its numbers for an otherwise identical 39 month lease are .00196 and 54%. The numbers for anything longer than that are a lot worse. For example, NMAC's 48 ... Read More
Hi, I am being offered $21,350 for a 2009 Rogue S AWD which includes 7% sales tax and all fees and tt&l. Dealer is in PA. I am also being offered $22.4k for a 2010 similarly equipped base Rogue S AWD. Are these 2 good prices? Can I do better? If so, any suggestions where? FYI, Northeast is only offering a $500 rebate while the rest of the country is getting ... Read More
Hi cla2021 we just got a 2009 Nissan Rogue SL AWD with premium, leather, moonroof, all the works 39 months, 15K miles x Year, $2,000 total out of pocket, $300 x month Nissan Of Garden City in Long Island, NY Msrp $29 and change. to be honest I care about the payment more than the final price.
My wife was all set to purchase a 2009 Subaru Forester Limited. I talked her into test driving the 2009 Forester XT Limited. For just a little bit more ($2000), you get a SUBSTANTIALLY higher performing engine. Once she test drove it, she was sold, and purchased the vehicle that day. I would highly recommend test driving a Forester XT, before deciding on the base model. Original Message: >I've looked at ... Read More
Hi oliviob. I would be happy to work up a sample lease payment on the Rogue that you are interested in for you. In order to do so, I need you to provide me with its selling price. For now, I will assume that you are able to negotiate a $1,500 dealer discount on this truck. According to my calculations, if you were to lease a 2009 Nissan Rogue SL 2WD ... Read More
Hello to anyone who can help. The Nissan dealership in my town currently has not gotten rid of all of their new 2008 Rogues and doesn't have any 2009's available for lease. Does anyone know if you can lease a new 08 Rogue, or at this point are they only available for purchase? Also, I've read a lot about starting out at invoice pricing when trying to negotiate a deal. Problem ... Read More
Three weeks ago we bought a 2009 Nissan Rogue. Yesterday, the rear, right window exploded while it was parked in the driveway. We are expecting a baby, and had the base of the car seat installed in the backseat -- it was a horrible feeling to see it full of shards of glass. It will only cost me $212 to fix, but I am going to contact Nissan (1-800-647-7261), and am ... Read More
not sure if this will help anyone out for 2009 models, but last year in mid july i purchased an 08 nissan rogue awd sl silver with no extra options besides mudguards for 22500 out the door.
Hey jmcbmw. Here's the latest info for you. Nissan Motor Acceptance Corp.'s current buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36 month lease o a 2009 Rogue S 2WD with 15,000 miles per year are .00234 and 60%, respectively. The numbers for an otherwise identical lease of an '09 Rogue S AWD are .00234 and 62%. The money factors for 39 month leases of these trucks are exactly ... Read More
We put a deposit on the 09 Rogue S AWD for $199 a month (for 39 months) with roughly $1400 down in bank fees & delivery fees (excluding taxes of course). It was part of the national Nissan tent event. This seemed like a great deal. Can anyone confirm?
I am interested in a 2009 Nissan Rogue SL - every option except AWD and Navigation. I have a OTD price of $25,593.11 or a 39 month lease for $385 q month, with the down just being the first payment. Any imput?
I am looking for a plain base 2009 Rogue S AWD with no options. My local dealer quoted me MSRP of $22505 and an out-the-door cost of $20285. Plus the usual local sales tax, dealer optional fee of $45, plus registration fee, plus $10 inspection fee, plus $12.50 NYS required tire recycling fee. I think the price is reasonable and maybe he'll take a bit less. I did not see any ... Read More
2009 Rogue SL 2WD Phantom White Premium package Leather (gray) Splash guards Floor mats Aluminum kick plates Pin stripes Wheel locks Dealer protection package (paint & upholstery) 1 or 2 other minor things Price: $23850 (after $500 recent college grad discount) Don't remember actual MSRP....I think around $27K College grad: within past 2 years or within next 6 months (wife got a Masters degree Dec 2007) Salesman did tell me that ... Read More
I'm looking at both of these SUVs. The Rogue is cheaper, both money-wise and I think construction-wise but I'd like to hear other people's thoughts. What does a Murano have that a Rogue doesn't, and vice-versa? I like the way they both look and drive. How do you Rogue owners like the car? I really only need a base model of whatever I get, Rogue or Murano. I do not want ... Read More
Hi bjthegame. $600 under dealer invoice is a very attractive selling price for a leased 2009 Nissan Rogue. Furthermore, the money factor that you were quoted is right in line with Nissan Motor Acceptance Corp.'s April buy rate for this truck (though it has subsequently been revised to .00234 for April), If you like the Rogue, I personally don't see any reason not to pull the trigger on this deal. Car_man ... Read More
No problem Slukas. Nissan Motor Acceptance Corp.'s current buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 39 month lease of a 2009 Rogue SL FWD with 12,000 miles per year are .00234 and 57%, respectively. I don't know if NMAC offers 10,000 mile per year leases on Nissan division vehicles, but if it does I suspect that its 10k resids are 1% higher than its 12k resids. Car_man Host ... Read More
Yes I do. I have a 2009 Rogue, with only 3500 miles I had the transmission placed, now it has 4400 miles and I am told it needs another replacement transmission, as it took them 2000 miles to identify the growling sound as being the transmission and given that I have signed up for a 36 month lease, I equate that to approximately 20 transmissions at $5000 a piece (parts and ... Read More
Welcome slukas. This vehicle's lease program varies by term and mileage allowance. Since you never mentioned what either of these variables are, for now I will assume that you are interested in a 36 month lease with 15,000 miles per year. Let me know if you want something different. Nissan Motor Acceptance Corp.'s current buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36 month lease of a 2009 Rogue ... Read More
Hey hsw. Nissan Motor Acceptance Corp.'s current buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36 month lease of a 2009 Nissan Rogue SL AWD with 12,000 miles per year are .00224 and 60%, respectively. Car_man Host Prices Paid: Buying & Leasing Experiences Forum
Bought at Meadowlands Nissan (NJ, great place Manny!) in Mid December 2008. All options AWD Premium,Leather(black),moonroof, but no GPS $29,129 sticker paid $26,000 / 0% 36 month financing $8,000 down, $577 a month. :P i wish it had auto headlights and auto climate (are you listening Nissan, the Qashqai has it !)
Wife just leased one today: 39 month 15k per year 2009 Rogue SL FWD, Black / Black, only options were splash guards and floor mats. $22,895 MSRP Zero drive off, down payment, fees, etc. Absolutely not one dollar out of pocket. $314.88 per month. I ran the numbers and it came up to 57% residual with 0.00196 money factor. Not sure how well we did, but the wife is comfortable with ... Read More
Car_man, The specifics of the deals are as follows: (the deals are now 1st payment due at signing) 2009 Nissan Rogue 2.5 S MSRP= $21,365 selling price = $20,071 39 months 12k per year Residual Value is 61% or 13,032.65 money factor is 0.002110 or 5.0% $282.71 +Tax 2009 Nissan Rogue 2.5 SL with Premium Package MSRP= $24,755 selling price = $22,678 39 months 12k per year Residual Value is 59% ... Read More
Hi Reins. A selling price below dealer invoice is an excellent deal on a leased 2009 Rogue right now. Let's work up a sample lease payment on this vehicle for you and see what we come up with. According to my calculations, if you were to lease a 2009 Nissan Rogue SL AWD that has an MSRP of $29,155 and a selling price of $26,000 through Nissan Motor Acceptance Corp. right ... Read More
Hi carman, kyfdx and everybody else, I was just offered a base model 2009 Nissan Rogue S in South Florida with the following terms: 39 months 12K miles per year $269 per month, tax inclduded $600 down which covers first month lease payment, title, licencs, etc... Is this a good deal?
I'd be happy to work up a payment for you, cmacfar944. According to my calculations, if you were to lease a 2009 Nissan Rogue SL AWD that has an MSRP of $27,205 and a selling price of $25,715 through Nissan Motor Acceptance Corp. right now for 36 months with 15,000 miles per year, your zero down, pre-tax monthly payment would be around $343. The payment for an otherwise identical 39 month ... Read More
The power window control buttons (driver side) do not light up during the night.Is this normal for a Nissan Rogue . I was told by the delership that only one button lights up.anyone please confirm. Thank you.
I bought 20009 Rogue SL total out of door for 21k on 1/2/09. I do not have any pakage.I got 0% intrest for 36 month and 0 down.MSRP 22,985. I paid 19302 +ttt+dealer charge=21k total, Bought at southerline nissan in atlanta.
Currently, I have a 2004 Chrysler PT Cruiser GT Turbo that is worth ~$7,500. I owe ~$11,000 on it. I am looking to trade it in on a 2009 Rogue S that I would like to lease. I am not the best with numbers and would like a second look ... I talked to the salesman last night and he couldn't provide me with a worksheet until they had a chance ... Read More
Hi clemsonlew. Through yesterday, Nissan Motor Acceptance Corp.'s buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36 month lease of a 2008 Rogue SL FWD with 15,000 miles per year were .00325 and 50%, respectively. The numbers for an otherwise identical lease of the AWD version of this truck are exactly the same. These are NMAC's February numbers. It is scheduled to introduce its new March lease program at ... Read More
I'm in Chicago, IL. I had never lease a car before and can't afford to buy. Please review this offer. I need to make a decision quick. Credit is average, some lates but never in car financing. Thanks. 2009 ROGUE S AWD w/ Splash and Mats Lease 39 Months - $199/Month - $2,754 initial payment. Excludes taxes, title, license, and $595 non-refundable Acquisition Fee. $2,754 initial payment required at consummation. (Includes ... Read More
2008 Rogue SL AWD almost 9K miles. I too have reported this xmission sound when slowing down...the 1st time they said they could not hear it. The 2nd oil change I reported it again, I had to take head mechanic for a ride...he heard it when we went thru a parking lot moving at 5-10mph and then stopping. He said 'yes, that is the sound we thought, and others have reported ... Read More
Hi pmman. Here's the information that you're looking for. Nissan Motor Acceptance Corp.'s current buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36 month lease of a 2009 Nissan Rogue SL AWD with 12,000 miles per year are .00211 and 61%, respectively. The numbers for an otherwise identical 39 month lease are .00211 and 60%. Car_man Host Prices Paid: Buying & Leasing Experiences Forum
Thanks for the additional information, tasteckler. Let's take a look, starting with the money factor. The money factors that you were quoted for both of these vehicles are right in line with Nissan Motor Acceptance Corp.'s buy rate for them. This is a good thing. Now let's take a look at their selling prices. The 2009 Rogue S has surprisingly small margins. There's only around a $1,000 gap between its full ... Read More
Considering you could buy it on a 5 year bank loan through Nissan for 2.9% with a monthly payment of $400, I would definitely not lease it to only save $40. The general rule to know if leasing is better than buying is if you can't save over $100 per month leasing then buy it.
Hi jezmia. $250 below dealer invoice is obviously a great selling price, but the money factor that you were quoted is a little on the high side. If your credit is in good shape, Nissan Motor Acceptance Corp.'s current buy rate lease money factor for a 2009 Murano should be .00270 for a 39 month lease. Make sure that the dealer that you are working with uses this money factor to ... Read More
sounds like a good deal to me if I wher you I would go for it up to you keep us updated on what you end up dooing. Nissans are grate cars last for a verry long time. and my dad just baught one few munths ago loves it thanks for reading Marco.
Hi, I live in the Northern Virginia area and was just quoted a lease price for a 2009 Nissan Rogue S. I was wondering if someone could let me know if it is a good deal or not? The terms are for three years and with 12,000 miles per year. They are: $1000 Down and $229.00 per month for three years. (The $1000 down includes all fees, taxes and tags) Any ... Read More
Great suggestion. Did you get the 2009? It looks like the MSRP on the XT is about the same as the base 6 cyl Rav4. The Subaru mileage isn't as good though. I'll investigate a lease and keep you posted. ...and the square cup holders is beyond idiotic.
Yes, we got a 2009 Limited PZEV, which makes 175hp. EPA says 20/26 mpg but we're getting *much* better than that, more like 22-25 around town and 27-30+ highway. Square front cup holders are very dumb but the vehicle has given me several pleasant surprises: * mileage better than expected * throttle/engine is responsive with no lag at all * LED lighting in center bin, console, and even rear cup holders ... Read More
I have been comparing the 2008 Rogue SL AWD against the 2009 Forester Limited. The Forester actually has the Rogue beat on paper. Seat of the pants, though, the Rogue comes out ahead. I like the CVT and paddle shifters and it seems peppier than the Forester. Looks better too (except for that grill - ugh!). But this has been very valuable information. People I've talked to regarding the Forester claim ... Read More
Purchased a Nissan Rogue SL AWD Silver Ice for $22542 out the door ttl didnt need to pay for anything else. Came with floor mats and splash guards nothing else. If anyone needs referencing also 2009 rogues are coming out around mid august - september.
I just called the dealership, asked for the Internet sales manager, and asked for a quote. And right then and there, at first shot, I was given this detailed quote. Minutes later, they emailed me the detailed quote, including showing the breakdown of the fees under the "TTL" heading (I wanted to make sure there was no profit padding using unwelcome "dealer prep" or excess "documentation" fees). I could have countered ... Read More
Enhancements for 2009 include: -Front fold-flat passenger seat, driver seatback pocket, dual-level center console tray and mood lighting for SL models -New auto speed-sensing door locks -Drive computer and outside temperature display added to SL models Two luggage side cargo hooks and dual visor vanity mirror illumination for SL models -New Leather Package option for Rogue FWD SL models Bluetoothâ Hands-free Phone System and Nissan Intelligent Key™ added to Rogue FWD ... Read More
2009 Nissan Rogue The popular Nissan Rogue, which was introduced as an all-new 2008 model, receives only minor changes for the 2009 model year. Rogue continues to offer aggressive, performance-oriented styling, a powerful engine, responsive handling and a driver-focused cockpit combined with thoughtful everyday utility. Rogue features an impressive array of standard features, including Nissan’s Xtronic CVT™, Vehicle Dynamic Control (VDC) and a 4-wheel Anti-lock Braking System (ABS). Available equipment includes ... Read More
No, that what the reason why I didn't get the Rogue for myself, my partner got it because he could careless about the Bluetooth. I thought it was stupid to lump it with the AWD also. I have a 08 Altima Coupe and love the bluetooth in the car, my feeling is, that should be a standard feature in all cars.. I'm hoping nissan bring it the redesign of the Rogue... ... Read More
Hey guys, Test drove a 2008 Rogue today, and really liked it! I'll more than likely eventually purchase one. However, does anybody know when the 09 Rogues will hit the lot? Would it be worth waiting till the 09's come out? Will this first year have given Nissan time to iron out some of the kinks...like No Locking Gas Cap?! Are you kidding me! Not a major thing, but come on ... Read More
I was conflicting between these three exactly.. plus mitsubish outlander, too RAV has best specification like v6 engine,, 3.5L etc but, u guys know it's going to be redesigned with the sparetire off from the back in 2009 yr.. so i've decided to buy rogue which is the newest model from nissan.. and it's pretty economic. and i liked the design except it's a little small as a SUV.. CR-V seems ... Read More
I think you took a "glass half empty" view of the current lineup of cars for most manufacturers. I guess I'm more of a "glass half full" type of guy. These are the good old days. The average middle class family can afford a people mover that is both practical and fun (*). You can have your cake and eat it, i.e. space, AWD, power, and reasonable efficiency, at least in ... Read More
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