2009 Nissan GT-R: Ford GT vs. Nissan GT-R -- Beyond the Numbers
January 20, 2009
But it did happen this past weekend, and I spent enough time in both vehicles to get a sense of their unique character traits. Thus, what follows is my completely unbiased appraisal of how these two supercars stack up.
First let's call out the obvious areas where these cars don't compare. The Ford GT is out of production, as it was only made for the 2005 and 2006 model years, while the Nissan GT-R recently went on sale as a 2009 model. Our site puts the current value of a 2005 Ford GT at $115,000 and the Nissan GT-R at $77,000 to $80,000. Reports of GT-Rs going for $20,000 over MSRP persist, while few Ford GTs (not including salvage title cars) change hands for less than $150,000, but let's just go with the prices on Edmunds to keep things simple.
In terms of acceleration, the best accleration numbers we've established for a Nissan GT-R are zero-to-60 in 3.53 seconds and the 1/4-mile in 11.77 @ 118 mph, but that's with launch control. Without LC (it goes away for the 2010 model year) the car pulled zero-to-60 in 4.0 second and 1/4-mile in 12.3 @ 118 mph. If you've been reading this blog you know the, um...questions surrounding launch control, so take those figures as you will.
The Ford GT initially pulled zero-to-60 in 3.7 seconds and the 1/4-mile in 11.8 seconds @ 124 mph. But after a supercharger pulley swap and ECU reflash the GT managed zero-to-60 in 3.5 seconds and the 1/4-mile in 11.6 seconds at 126.3. No launch control for the GT, but you do have to know the proper technique to get these times without overheating the clutch. And at 17,000 miles, the GT's transmission has never left it's place in the drivetrain.
Further testing of our long-term GT-R had braking performance from 60-to-zero mph in 108 feet. We never tested the long-term Ford GT for braking, but in our American Exotics Comparison Test that GT stopped from 60 mph in 115 feet. Slalom speeds? GT-R 73.6, GT 69.5. Skidpad? The GT-R pulled .91 Gs while the Ford GT in that comparison pulled .92 Gs.
I think it's safe to conclude that performance is pretty much a wash between these two cars. But if the GT-R offers that performance for $40,000 less it's gotta be the better car, right?
That's certainly what the spreadsheet suggests. And plenty of people "shop by spreadsheet" so those folks could buy a GT-R and call it a day. But for those interested in going beyond the numbers I'm happy to supply additional feedback.
First, if you're going to argue looks...well, good luck. That's like arguing over the best color for a bathroom. Too personal and too many factors at play. The photo above shows both vehicles. You make the call.
Steering feel? That goes to the GT by a wide margin. Just having AWD puts the GT-R at a distinct disadvantage, as the additional hardware -- though great for grip -- is usually terrible for transmitting road data to your fingertips. Audi and Porsche do an amazing job overcoming this in cars like the R8 and C4S/Turbo, but Nissan isn't there yet.
A similar story exists with braking feedback. The GT-R never feels like it won't stop. Actually it feels like you hit a brick wall when you stomp on the brake pedal. But if you want something less than "brick wall" deceleration it's not as easy to modulate with the GT-R as it is in the Ford GT.
If you've been reading about the GT-R you already know who wins the ride quality contest. This is ironic considering the amount of technology going on under the GT-R. The fact that you can put the Nissan in "comfort" mode and it still rides worse than the non-adjustable Ford GT makes no sense to me. Maybe it would if the GT-R was clearly superior in terms of handling than the Ford GT. It's not, so it doesn't.
Exhaust note advantage goes to the Ford GT, even in stock form (this GT has the Ford Racing exhaust, which thoroughly trumps the GT-R's truck-like groan).
Let's talk transmissions. The GT-R doesn't have a clutch pedal, so it's more traffic friendly and the "not-into-manuals" wife can drive it (in fact, she did for these photos). But as pointed out in a previous blog, the execution of this dual-clutch tranny is worse than in our $40,000 Mitsubishi Evo. Beyond it's shifting idiosyncracies, the GT-R's transmission results in some throttle-response lag as the computer registers throttle position and compares it to rpm, current speed and current gear. Basically, when you roll into the throttle you're often not sure exactly what you'll get back, especially if you're already moving (it's not as bad when you pull away from a dead stop).
Obviously the old-fashioned transmission in the Ford GT suffers no computing errors -- it just does what it's told (plus it allows you to heel-and-toe).
The GT-R has a few other obvious advantages. The seats are more adjustable and comfortable. The rear seats technically allow for more passenger capacity, though my 8-year-old daughter can't sit behind me unless she sits, as she says, "criss-cross." The GT-R's audio/nav system is far more advanced than the Ford GT's factory head unit, though this Ford GT has an aftermarket JVC head unit that basically matches the GT-R's (nav, Bluetooth, satellite radio, DVD player, etc.).
The Nissan GT-R is easier to get into and out of thanks to its traditional doors and taller seat height. Entry/exit is probably the biggest strike against the Ford GT's daily functionality.
So performance is a wash. GT-R wins on cost and daily functionality. The Ford GT wins on pretty much every driving characteristic (steering feel, brake feel, throttle response, transmission interface, exhaust note) and -- in my totally biased opinion -- looks.
I guess it comes down to what matters to you most. If you want exotic-car performance on-the-cheap there's no denying the GT-R. And if you drive in city traffic or park in narrow spaces the GT-R is clearly the winner. If you want the complete exotic-car experience (not just the spreadsheet numbers) and enjoy interacting with your sports car the GT has it all over the GT-R. One thing is certain however, if you drive them around together looking for a photo location, you'll get plenty of attention.
Karl Brauer, Edmunds.com Editor in Chief @ 15,910 miles