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Article Comments - 2009 Porsche 911 Carrera S Cabriolet Full Test
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Re: 2009 Porsche 911 Carrera S Cab vs Previous Model [baldegl]
The Porsche 2009 PDK is THE best 911 I have had. I have owned it now for 2 years. I have come out of a 97 Twin turbo, then a 996 GT3, Then lastly a 997.1 GT3. I was GOING to buy a 2008 GT3RS. It only had AC. I went on a whim to drive the 911 Carrera S PDK. I was BLOWN away. Its faster than any GT1 motor ... Read More
Porsche 911 Tires and Wheels
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Re: Carrera S Tires [brit04]
Hello I also have a Porsche 911S, How are those new tires holding up, i am curently looking for a set and I am beginning to conclude I might be better off spending more for a good set of Michelins and Pirellis. I currently have 18600 miles on the car and the tread is good for another 3000 miles. How is your 911 holding up assuming you still have it. I ... Read More
Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo
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Re: Chinks in the armor? [madmanmoo]
hey,...even i,...the owner of a 2008 911 carrera s coupe,...wouldn't say that the gtr sucks!,...i would say that they kind of play in different leagues though,...witness my wife,...who upon hearing that i wanted to check out the gtr said,..'why would we EVER want to get a frikin' nissan when we have a porsche?",...there in lies the poiblem for nissan,...the porsche appeals to badge snobs like my wife,...and the gtr appeals to, ... Read More
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Obsolete Thread
And I'll go ahead and repeat that I think this thread is obsolete since we're on 2010 Nissan GT-R and 2010 Porsche 911 Turbo currently in production. Any future comparisons have nothing to do with the 2009 GT-R or 2008 Turbo, since changes were made to each, and they are different beasts now.
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why couldn't we test drive gtr?
hey all,...new here,...want to wish all my fellow car nuts a happy holiday,...and now on to our delimma,...my wife and I wanted to check out the nissan gtr, since we've been hearing what a spectacular car it is. So we truck on over to our nearest nissan dealer,[after calling to make sure they had one in stock for us to look at],...and we pull up in our 2008 911 carrera s ... Read More
Porsche 911 Lease Questions
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Re: Porsche 911 dealer cost [2928]
I talked to five car dealers this morning, but 9 dealers overall the whole week. Some of them would not talk about it; some of them pretended not to know about it; but some of them simply came out straight and discussed it. Edmunds.com previously posted the marketing support was $7k (since expired on Nov 30th). But from an earlier post, someone talked about $10k marketing support became $8k. So both ... Read More
Article Comments - 2009 Porsche 911 Carrera S Cabriolet Full Test
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Re: 2009 Porsche 911 Carrera S Cab vs Previous Model [rdmiller4me]
"For those who opted for a 2008 model with a manual transmission, you should have purchased a '09 with a manual gearbox. You would have more horsepower and better amenities." I agree wholeheartedly... I went back and forth about 08 manual(significantly discounted) vs. 09 manual... pdk was ok, but for me, I had to get a manual gearbox... more involvement, more visceral feel... what made the decision for an 09 ultimately ... Read More
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2009 Porsche 911 Carrera S Cab vs Previous Model
I feel sorry for those who have discounted the 2009 PDK model for the 2008 and older units. There is no comparison. First, I recently traded in my 2006 S Cab for a 2009 PDK S Cab. No comparison. The Direct Fuel Injection has added more horsepower, but most importantly, I have seen an incredible difference in fuel efficiency. On the highway, in my '06, I used to get about 21 ... Read More
Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo
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Re: Chinks in the armor? [lemmer]
On a whim, decided to re-visit some old threads. Forgot about how much fun this one was. But now that both the GT-R and 911 are almost completely sold out of 2009 models and updating for 2010, I thought it would be nice to recap what happened with this competition to now. We spent a lot of time talking about speed. There seemed to be some confusion between speed and racing ... Read More
Porsche 911
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He's Back
Hi Everyone, I had a 2006 911 C4 Cab then a 2008 Boxster. I've been Porsche-less for a while but a 2009 911 White Coupe PDK is being delivered late this afternoon. I'm as excited over it as I was waiting for my 2006 911 C4 to arrive from Germany. This one's only coming from Hilton Head, SC. :) Don
Porsche 911 Lease Questions
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Re: 911 Lease Rates Feb 2009 [Car_man]
HI Car_man, Thank you for the EXCELLENT info. I'm also interested in a new 911 (2009 or left-over 2008). Can you please tell me what Porsche's March lease/buy programs are (complete with money factors and residuals for a 10,000 mile 36 month lease). THANK YOU so very much, - Max
Article Comments - 2009 Porsche 911 Carrera S Cabriolet Full Test
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Porsche 911 Carrera S Cabriolet Full Test [mkilleen]
Tested both, 2009 4s with PDK and 2008 4s stick, endup going with 2008 stick. Was not thrilled with PDK, steering wheel shifters did not impress either, the whole setup felt geeky, 2009 car made a strange hissing noise, went with the real car. I admit sport exhaust was a big factor. After owning it for 3 months I still LOVE the setup.
Porsche 911 Lease Questions
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Re: Question on an 08 Turbo cab [bneiderman]
Hi bneiderman. $20,000 is a substantial discount on this car, it's probably right around dealer invoice, but I personally would not be surprised if you could do even better than that. Sales at Porsche dealers has completely fallen off of a cliff. They are desperate for business. Combine this with the fact that the 2009 911 is an all-new, significantly improved car and dealers will be even more desperate to get ... Read More
Porsche 911
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Re: 993 c4 versus 996 with psm? [loastcoast]
Don't know about the C4, but that PSM on the C2 is something special. Just got back from the Porsche high performance driving school in Alabama. We tried the skid pad with and without PSM and there was a big difference. On the track (2.4 miles with 14 turns and a 350 ft elevation difference) no oversteer at 50+ in the turns.We had some tight turns, but perhaps not as tight ... Read More
Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo
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Re: Nissan will fall apart [habitat1]
Well skarie-san, my video is better than yours - and in mine the S2000 is ahead of the 350Z the entire time: This still does not prove anything. It all depends on the driver, if it was only the S2000 and the 350Z in that race that might would have changed the out come. The bottom line here isn't whether the TL is fugly or why a 350Z "roadster" weighs 600 ... Read More
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New Developments
Well, I'm sure the fanboys will have something to say, but this article backs up what we've all been thinking for a long time. Feel free to flame after reading. Porsche accuses Nissan of cheating at Nurburgring 30 September 2008 Paul Gover Porsche has accused Nissan of cheating in the GT-R's record bid at the Nurburgring racetrack. Porsche has just run its own back-to-back tests with the Japanese company's GT-R supercar ... Read More
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Re: Mythical R-comps? [madmanmoo]
Found only one so far, but this still does not prove anything. http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison_test/coupes/2008_bmw_m3_vs_2009_n- issan_gt_r_vs_2008_porsche_911_turbo_comparison_test+page-3.html
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GTR vs 911 TURBO VIDEO
Fifth Gear comparison So lets see who won this race.. http://lethistorylive.com/2008/09/nissan-gt-r-vs-porsche-911-turbo-by.html
Article Comments - 2009 Porsche 911 Carrera/Carrera S First Look and Drive
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2009 911 TURBO COUPE WHAT ARE THE CHANGES FOR THE NEW 2009 PORSCHE 911 COUPE VS THE 2008 MODEL?
Article Comments - 2008 Porsche 911 GT2 First Drive
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Full Test: 2008 Porsche 911 GT2
Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo
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Re: Nothing is up. [bigmclargehuge]
It just exists in a notch above the Turbo class and any rational person should be able to see that after a year of evidence to that affect.... And for the final time, I DON'T WANT A GT-R. I like light cars. But its fast. Ugly, heavy, but fast. I think I understand our differences. You think that because the GT-R is faster than the 911 Turbo (according to the cooked, ... Read More
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Re: Nothing is up. [habitat1]
No. My understanding > yours. What throne? I said just the Turbo has been owned. Which is real. There are consistent track times that show the Nissan can go around any track, up to and including the Nordschlieffe faster than the Turbo. And with the GT-R being as fast around a track as a GT2 at Buttonwillow on stock tires and no extra horsepower, there is no reason they couldn't get ... Read More
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Nothing is up.
Please watch. Japanese-spec customer-owned GT-R against 911 Turbo press car. Porsche was trying to cook something on this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtLCMQTq9Xo&NR=1 My favorite quote: "that was a against a press car, which Porsche meticulously prepped because they knew what we were going to do to it." Spoiler: the GT-R laps the short track a second faster. Sorry, the GT-R that will be available for you and me to buy, is faster than ... Read More
Article Comments - 2009 Porsche 911 Carrera/Carrera S First Look and Drive
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Porsche 911 Carrera and Carrera S First Look [KarenS]
I assume the details about the 2009 Carreras in the articel are based on the Porsche "Press Information". However, the information given about the brake upgrade of the base 2009 Carrera Coupe may not be correct for US models. The article states: "Up front, the Carrera wears 13.0-by-1.3-inch discs, an upgrade over last year's 12.5-by-1.1-inch set. The rear discs are the same diameter as the fronts, though they're only 1.1 inches ... Read More
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Article Comments - 2009 Porsche 911 Carrera and Carrera S First Look
You don't hang around for 45 years while perfecting your rare (eccentric?) rear-engine, rear-wheel-drive automotive formula only to get blindsided by a 21st-century technological juggernaut. You are the Porsche 911, and as good as the Audi R8 and Nissan GT-R might be, you are ready for them. Or you will be in the autumn of 2008 anyway. Read more and post your comments here! First Look: 2009 Porsche 911 Carrera and ... Read More
Porsche 911
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2009 911 Announcement - Official this time!
Here's the official announcement straight from Porsche and I included a link to a Porche website that you're going to enjoy. It's very interactive and very clear. Check it out!! http://www.porsche.com/microsite/911/usa.aspx Porsche Releases Information and Photos of New 2009 911 Models New Generation 911s Combine Increased Performance with Better Fuel Efficiency Atlanta, June 6, 2008 - Porsche today disclosed photos and details for the next generation 911 model series. Four new ... Read More
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Re: 911 Questions - new v. used - help me please! [buylow]
Nice post. I agree. For 65K you got a lot of fun. But I wonder if going for new wouldn't have been better. Because Porsche has fantastic resale value , you paid 65K for a 2006. At 13,000 miles it is already more than halfway into needing four new tires for maybe $1500. What would a new 2008 have cost? What did you save? Maybe the way to go on a ... Read More
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Re: 911 Engines and Advice for 1st time buyer [buylow]
If you're a newbie, like me, I think a 997, certified pre-owned from a prosche dealer with the extended warranty and wheel and tire protection, is the only way to go. There are two schools of thought. Yes, the Porsche CPO program has an extended warranty and, one would hope, the dealer will stand behind the car. It's a good program. However, also depending upon the dealer, CPO prices can be ... Read More
Porsche 911 Lease Questions
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Re: 2008 turbo coupe lease for april [egold1]
Egold1, Porsche Credit's current buy rate lease money factor is only .00250 for consumers who have good credit. The dealer that you are working with is trying to mark up its base rate a lot to add additional hidden profit to your deal. This sort of thing is not surprising. It is very common at luxury car dealers, like Porsche. You can try comparison shopping with another dealer or two to ... Read More
Article Comments - 2008 Porsche 911 GT2 First Drive
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Re: Article Comments - 2008 Porsche 911 GT2 [bigmclargehuge]
If they could just keep the rear end of the Turbo from stepping out it would be a real monster. For someone who talks big, large and huge I have to ask, have you ever driven any of the cars you talk about on a track? Not the Nurburgring, mind you, just any track? Or an empty stretch of open road, for that matter? I suspect not. Because if you had, ... Read More
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Re: Article Comments - 2008 Porsche 911 GT2 [bmlexus]
or Lexus for that matter. :P Must have been a good day. Those are some nice looking machines. FYI, not everyone who appreciates cars of different makes and models is 'going Nissan.' I certainly don't have a problem with Porsche as a company. If they could just keep the rear end of the Turbo from stepping out it would be a real monster. Its like 99% of a perfect car. IMHO. ... Read More
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Re: Article Comments - 2008 Porsche 911 GT2 [spiritinthesky]
But now having driven the entire range of the 997 line-up The entire range now thats some experience Saw my first white brand new GT2 today honestly looking very good in fact I even saw a bentley gtc murcielago a merc SLR but for some reason the GT2 was looking very cool. After seeing the GT2 I can understand now why many here still choose porsche rather the going to nissan. ... Read More
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Re: Article Comments - 2008 Porsche 911 GT2 [habitat1]
Its more like throwing away the carbs and just keeping the meat. You'd be surprised how much weight carbon fiber can save. Every panel he swaps will weigh half as much. The roof, trunklid and hood alone will save ~100lbs. AWD is not a handicap if used correctly. The 5% drivetrain loss argument certainly wouldn't change my mind because the added traction often yields higher accel, even with the same power ... Read More
Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [habitat1]
But with all due respect to those that question Porsche, Ferrari or other buyers regarding their objectivity No 2 wrongs make a right. Nobody should be telling other people what they want. Bear in mind these are not always the same people. Though you've gone down that road yourself. Are you not a person who told me to work harder so I could afford a real sports car? Sounds like you ... Read More
Article Comments - 2008 Porsche 911 GT2 First Drive
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Re: Article Comments - 2008 Porsche 911 GT2 [07997turbo]
that is why I would replace everything I could with carbon fiber panels as I indicated in my first post. Sort of like ordering a diet coke to go along with your Double Whopper and fries? I don't know how much weight can be saved by the use of carbon fiber. But, speaking for myself, I'd rather have the lighter, more drivetrain efficient RWD to start with, than try to lighten ... Read More
Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [speed6driver]
There's a certain degree of mystery and natural fascination with the GT-R because it's like a dream you can never quite remember. It's there, and then gone again leaving hints of the memory behind to piece together. The idea of a car becoming a methphor representing that mystery, surprise and dominance is the fun part. That is what sets the GT-R apart from the competition and makes it more than just ... Read More
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [speed6driver]
Jay Leno will probably be one of the first in line to get one He already GOT IT !!!!!!!!!!!! As I remembered he said its like a junior veyron !!! There is also a video you can check it out. link title
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [speed6driver]
indeed. and to add to that, just look at how 911 TT's depreciate in value.
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [speed6driver]
This is the most thoughtful and insightful writing I have ever seen on any of these forums. I agree with you 100% and I will not try to add more since nothing really needs to be added. $70k gets you so much more and personally I would rather buy the object than the name.
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [07997turbo]
Hold on to Porsche's if you want to but many people will be holding on to this Nissan at 1/2 the price. I like Porsche's a lot but a Porsche isn't a GT-R and here's why: The appeal of the GT-R isn't just the speed or handling or that it can smoke an unmodified 911 turbo in every category. The fun of the GT-R is in the legend. Porsche doesn't have ... Read More
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [07997turbo]
^^^^ I must respectfully call that irrelevant. This is more or less a debate, so I don't mean to sound short. This is not a motorcycle. But sports motorcycles and dirtbikes, etc do become obsolete fast. Thats just because they make tremendous improvements almost yearly. A sports bike from 5 years ago cannot compete with one from today without heavy modification. Its just cheaper and easier to replace them than keep ... Read More
Article Comments - 2008 Porsche 911 GT2 First Drive
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Re: Article Comments - 2008 Porsche 911 GT2 [spiritinthesky]
I'll take mine with RWD and a little less tonnage, thank you very much. I agree. that is why I would replace everything I could with carbon fiber panels as I indicated in my first post. :-)
Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [240ka]
I must respectfully disagree with everything you just said. Suzuki, Honda, Kawasaki all make fast bikes that look "exotic" for a year.... and then end up in a bone yard or pared behind a garage to rust away in 5 years Such is the demise of the "Rice crowd". Fine german engineering can only be recognized and appreciated by those who study and understand it. Not to many "Nissan collectors" out ... Read More
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Re: Input Requested Re: Deals [upnorth2]
Don't take my word on the Continentals, do the research and ask around yourself. When I checked, it appeared that in independent tests by Tire Rack and others, they came in last in virtually every performance category. As for your wear experience, you think that's good? Driving "hard" is a relative term, but I got 12,800 out of my rear Pirelli's and am still O.K. at 18,600 on my fronts. Your ... Read More
Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [07997turbo]
please tell me what you are talking about. most people cant even tell the difference between any of the 911 platforms. ha, most cant even tell the difference between a boxster/cayman and 911. seeing a 911/ turbo is just like seeing a vette. its just another porsche like the vette is another vette-z06 or not. even when the zr-1 comes it will be seen as just another vette after its been ... Read More
Article Comments - 2008 Porsche 911 GT2 First Drive
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Re: Article Comments - 2008 Porsche 911 GT2 [07997turbo]
195K vs 130K for an additional 50 BHP and less driving stability.... Try 195k vs.130k for a far more nimble and lightweight sports car. The extra 50 hp is a bonus, but if the GT2 hadn't come out when it did, I'd be trading in my 997 Turbo for a GT3 instead. Suggesting that the Turbo is more "stable" with AWD is highly debatable. The RWD GT3 with a 70 hp ... Read More
Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [07997turbo]
Owning a Porsche is like being part of a very special family. Many of them sound very special indeed. A GT-R owner would get as much attention as a 911turbo owner, just from a slightly different crowd of car fans. To some, owning a rarer, faster, and more aggressive styled car is worth a snap-shot and a compliment when viewed in person. Some might argue that the V-Spec will make old ... Read More
Article Comments - 2008 Porsche 911 GT2 First Drive
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Re: Article Comments - 2008 Porsche 911 GT2 [KarenS]
195K vs 130K for an additional 50 BHP and less driving stability.... Add to this the fact that for slightly under 30K, you can have your 997 turbo upgraded to 600 BHP.... the math still supports the turbo though I'd be hard pressed to find or even WANT to install a hard mounted fire extinguisher in my turbo...I would hope the GT2 comes stock with one as it is required to ... Read More
Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [chrmdome]
there are so many cars out there that look all the same... from Nissan to toyota/Lexus... and they are all "nice cars". The thing is.... I cant tell you how many times I have had people walk up to me and compliment my 997 turbo. It happened two times today alone! One guy just "Had to hear it rev up" which I was glad to do for him. Owning a Porsche ... Read More
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [habitat1]
Personally, I would rather roll at 194 MPH in my 911 turbo than in a two ton Japanese train wreck. As for the turbo not being the Pinnacle of the Porsche line.... It was... if only for a few months. I should add that I was highly dissapointed that my dealer DIDNT say "Hey.... hold on a few months.... there's something better coming down the pipe"... None the less! Once the ... Read More
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Re: Porsche needs to try harder [jim39t]
Anyone else read the May 2008 Road & Track cover story (“Outrageous! Nissan’s GT-R SPANKS Porsche 911 Turbo and Corvette Z06”)? The testers thought that the 2wd of the Corvette was insufficient for the power (like trying to control a wild beast on a leash), and that the Porsche Turbo’s rear end could get unglued suddenly and make for a wild ride. GT-R wasn’t plagued by either problem, and soundly “spanks!” ... Read More
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Re: Time to pick on the GT2 [habitat1]
Actually our gracious host had asked me to get back on topic and stop being opinionated. Which is fine with me because I prefer to cite sources anyhow. And that would be the reason I asked that we keep it on topic. Because I was warned, and I hope you are shortly too. And by nonexistent V-spec, you mean this car? http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/08/nissan-gt-r-v-spec-lap-times-stun-observers/ There is way too much bias for you to ... Read More
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [chrmdom [chrmdome]
I think you missed epik's point a little bit. A driving difference there may be, but that is all in 'excees' of the driving necessity that the Altima would allow. i.e. nobody 'needs' to go faster than the posted speed limit. To each their own indeed, there is nothing wrong with buying in excess so long as they are willing to admit it. Enjoyment has nothing to do with smart. In ... Read More
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [chrmdom
Greetings: Ahhhhhhhh,,,yes,,,,,,,," excess ". The person with the most CLEAN toys wins....If you can't appreciate the driving difference between a C2S and an Altima... less power to you. To each his own. Every time I get into my 2006 C2S a smile goes across my face. Some people collect wines....I like cars and my Porsche is worth every penny of the $99,999.49 I spent " out the door" for it, and ... Read More
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Porsche needs to try harder
Anyone else read the May 2008 Road & Track cover story (“Outrageous! Nissan’s GT-R SPANKS Porsche 911 Turbo and Corvette Z06”)? The testers thought that the 2wd of the Corvette was insufficient for the power (like trying to control a wild beast on a leash), and that the Porsche Turbo’s rear end could get unglued suddenly and make for a wild ride. GT-R wasn’t plagued by either problem, and soundly “spanks!” ... Read More
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [chrmdom
Who knows whether the GTR will be here 44 years from now but you can say the same thing about the 911. Unless you are trying to say that the 911 has already proven itself by lasting as long as it has? Which is pretty impressive since the first production year for a 911 was 1964. But then again you'd have to also consider that the first production year for a ... Read More
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Re: Not Applicable [bigmclargehuge]
O.K. I've got to step back in and challenge your thinking. It appears as though you are playing devils advocate with your last post and even you yourself would have a tough time believing what you are saying: First, that was a time of economic stability. This is a time of economic crisis. So the GT-R, with a grand total of 1,500 units for a US population of 300,000,000 is going ... Read More
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Re: Got Porsche? [thenebean]
but if you start looking at the product that is coming out now, versus vehicles from even just a couple of years ago, there is a huge difference in the interior quality, as well as the performance quality that they provide. This has nothing to do with the GTR vs. 911, but I have to side with redsoxgirl that Nissan has a lot of "baggage" and challenge your defencse of the ... Read More
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My Porsche with options
Thanks Habitat for some excellent advice. So I used Edmunds and priced my car with options. This set up would make me very happy. I am going the triptronic route, it gives my wife the ability to drive the car. Any must have options that I excluded? What should I expect to pay? Can I get close to my 85k price point? Moo I am a bit far from you in ... Read More
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Re: New or Used Porsche??? Lease or Own? Tips for Buying? [gtmaguire]
I think the new C4S discount of $15k off MSRP is a decent deal, only if that's pretty darn close to exactly the car you want. Personally, I am not a fan of the "4" over the "2". It provides better wetweather traction, but at the expense of more added weight and a less responsive feeling and initial acceleration. Not to mention that it adds $6k to the price and decreases ... Read More
Porsche 911 Lease Questions
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Re: 911 Residuals [geok1969]
Hi GEOK. I see that you have excellent taste in automobiles :). Yes, the Porsche 911's residual values do indeed vary by trim level. If you tell me exactly what model you are interested in, I would be happy to tell you what Porsche Credit's current residual value is for it. Yes, Porsche Credit has lowered its money factors recently. Through April 30th, its current buy rate for any length lease ... Read More
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Re: New or Used Porsche??? Lease or Own? Tips for Buying? [gtmaguire]
A few responses: Leasing: It sounds like you are somewhat similar to me. I always pay cash for my cars, figuring I'll bite the bullet once and be done with it. If I was looking at a BMW I might consider leasing, as they offer great lease rates/subsidies. Porsche doesn't. I would have been stroking a check for about $1,600 per month on mine and that would have taken some of ... Read More
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Re: New or Used Porsche??? What to do??? Kids too! [gtmaguire]
Although my kids are much older so the back seat question is not an issue, I struggled with the new vs. used dilemma myself. I settled (maybe not the right word to use in this instance) for a new 2008 911 S. I found several used 997's that would have been nice, but given the broad number of options and customization variations available, and given that when it comes right down ... Read More
Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo
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Re: GT-R at LeMans [thenebean]
Apparently, this conversation will continue to go in circles with you, so perhaps we should just let sleeping dogs lie (or whatever appropriate cliche you would like to use) and agree to disagree. Regardless of any facts, you will continue to insist that the Porsche is better. Period. It's safe to say that there will be a counter to every position here, and that everyone's opinions (of the vehicles in question) ... Read More
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Re: GT-R at LeMans [chrmdome]
Chrome - Maybe it's just me - but you were saying that the GT-R does not have a racing history like the Porsche, and it does - but the 2008 one does not...obviously. I doubt the 2008 Porsche 911 has a racing history either - or have they been using the 2008s for the last 20 years? Point being made here is that the GT-R in its current form, in the ... Read More
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Changed??
Greetings: Virtually unchanged in 40 years? Side by side there is no comparison structurally or functionally between a 1965 911 and a 2008 C2S. A water cooled engine should be the first clue. Check out a 2004 996 and a 2005 997... quite different machine. Porsches' motto has always been " Evolution not Revolution ". 60 some years of racing experience and a hugely profitable automobile company in Porsche AG would ... Read More
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Get real
but the worry is going to come in b/c now porsche has to justify the cost of a 911 turbo being 120k. Im sorry but nissan exposed porsche and showed that the 911 turbo couldnt cost than much and what they have also showed is that the turbo should be much more of a performer You seriously need to get a grip on reality, and I don't see that happening until ... Read More
Porsche 911 Lease Questions
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Re: Hello Carman - Current Lease Rates Carrera [kerb]
Consulted with leasecompare.com on the rates and residuals you were quoted and here's what they had to say... "It looks like the rate is now .00300 with a 61% residual value. Through LeaseCompare.com we can do a .00208 factor with a 55% residual value. This could save you close to $40 a month and give you over $3,300 in more equity at the end of the lease." http://www.leasecompare.com/quick_lease_quotes.php?ZipCode=45227&ModelYear=2008&- MakeID=680&ModelID=133&StyleID=109&vehicle=2008+Porsche+911+Carrera++&SessionID=- 804314&SelectedTerm=36&QuickQuote=-1 It ... Read More
Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [pmc4]
Greetings: Yep, it's either froglegs or suchi. Ya the GT-R , heavy as a whale. You ever had whale bubblegum? The chew lasts till 2009. Chromedome
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [cruiser69]
That's why the majority of my customers get "Driver Care". $695 and you have a 5 yr unlimited mileage, unlimited cap cost on your wheels and tires. jAs long as you aren't curbing it, the warranty covers everything. Awesome product and no worries about those beautiful rims. -moo
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [habitat1]
Good points. Chromedome and i were having a little friendly discussion on the subject. I think he was a little peeved about the prostate comment..LOL. But its all in good fun. Yes, both cars certainly have a fun factor to them. Like you, i certainly enjoy playing with the pedal every once and a while. Like you said, to each their own. I just think the Porsches are, at least most ... Read More
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [cruiser69]
You are certainly welcome to your perogative to drive an American classic rather than a high performance sports car. But I think your assumption that you have to break the speed limit by a factor of two to enjoy the latter is incorrect. Over the past 2+ years, every time I go somewhere, I have a choice of a 2004 Acura TL 6-speed and a 2005 911 C2S Cab. During that ... Read More
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [chrmdome]
Thats the second time you made an assumption that i cant afford one. I have driven all of the cars you have stated and no, they do not make good daily drivers, especially in a winter climate. Who wants salt on a nice car like that? Who would use a fine performance machine as a daily driver? Ever try to put luggage in it? What a waste. I dont care to ... Read More
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Re: '08 Carrera November Lease Rates - Carman [kerb]
OK, so after visiting my Porsche dealer and talking lease terms I am not happy. Basically they are looking for 1500+ a month for a stripped 2008 911 cabriolet on a 36 month lease. However, after doing some google fu I found leases as low as 900 a month. I was contacted immediately by one of these companies after requesting a quote. They want 8800 down, but payments would be 890 ... Read More
Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [habitat1]
Ditto that. Happy new year everyone, I'm new on this board. I haven't had the time to read all the posts but obviously there's the feeling coming from some people that the GT-R will dethrone the Porsche from its well deserved position. If I was one of the many who think this way I would look at history first and compare how many new sportcars have come and gone during the ... Read More
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [dogface5]
With that kind of flawed logic, the LS460 must have had a lot of cost cutting compared to the MB S550. The LS has won every comparison test, is far more reliable, and is $25k cheaper. a toyota yaris is more reliable than the S550. An excellent point. Likewise, Nissan can bring to market higher technology, similar (deliberately so, IMHO) configuration and layout of engine and chassis, fancier materials and seel ... Read More
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [dogface5]
With that kind of flawed logic, the LS460 must have had a lot of cost cutting compared to the MB S550. The LS has won every comparison test, is far more reliable, and is $25k cheaper. a toyota yaris is more reliable than the S550. An excellent point. Likewise, Nissan can bring to market higher technology, similar (deliberately so, IMHO) configuration and layout of engine and chassis, fancier materials and seel ... Read More
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [dogface5]
With that kind of flawed logic, the LS460 must have had a lot of cost cutting compared to the MB S550. The LS has won every comparison test, is far more reliable, and is $25k cheaper. a toyota yaris is more reliable than the S550. An excellent point. Likewise, Nissan can bring to market higher technology, similar (deliberately so, IMHO) configuration and layout of engine and chassis, fancier materials and seel ... Read More
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [chrmdome]
Chrmdome, the Porsche design was copied from something. Here's the Porsche design: And here's the design from which the car was copied: The frogskin, however, is probably more supple than the leather in the Porsche...
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [cruiser69]
Greetings: As a general answer to your post, you should do a little more in depth reading about the C2, C2S C4 and C4s. These Porsches have been touted by most car magazine authors as being the best in balancing a high performance car as a daily driver. Why do we enjoy driving these car so much, realizing that most speed limits are at the 70mph limit? With a few illegal ... Read More
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [cruiser69]
Simply:..... rude... and maybe just a ittle jelous.... but more like really RUDE! Chromedome ( a little thin on the top, but the prostate has not gone the way on BPH yet, thank you , and yes I can afford it thank you ! )
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [KarenS]
Wow. I have heard of taking pride in ownership before but come on guys. These are nothing more than top performing, non practical vehicles that you cannot open up legally on public roads any ways. I bet any police officer with a quota to fill would gladly radio ahead to collect from your fat wallets while you mearly drive these vehicles through their jurisdiction. These cars are meant for closed road ... Read More
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [madmanmoo]
Greetings: I whole-heartedly agree...the numbers are right there. The Youtube video was impressive. We all look for different things in cars, I am sure, many Porsche owners are looking for performance, design, heritage , history and for myself including those concerns quality is a big issue. My C2S will probably be in great shape 20 years from now, the GT-R..hmmmm????At the SD auto show closing doors and feeling the leather seats ... Read More
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [chrmdome]
The "snake-oil" salesman was touting the GTR to be the best thing since sliced bread. ................ In all fairness, the numbers they are posting are pretty substantial. In regards to styling, opinions rule. Build quality? That will most likely be subpar as compared to the 911 Turbo. Let's see what happens though. (All this coming from a Porsche salesman.) :D -moo
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [habitat1]
Greetings: I went to the San Diego Auto Show 2008, yesterday, and saw the GT-R. The "snake-oil" salesman was touting the GTR to be the best thing since sliced bread. Fair enough, they want to sell cars. However..... any non-biased observer would immediately see the Godzilla styling and body panel issues that this car has...such as, you ask?? Yes ...the different colors between the fender and bumper panels. Very obvious. Plastic ... Read More
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [nizmogtr3]
2 sec demolish of a porsche on the track ! Good grief, this forum seems to be slipping into a level of testosterone blinded immaturity that is even embarassing to read. If the 2 second difference between a GT-R and 997 Turbo is "demolishing", then what is the 7 second advantage of a 911 GT2 over the GT-R? "Super-duper-uber" demolishing?? Grow up. The fact is, all of these times were posted ... Read More
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [nizmogtr3]
Greetings: Ya see!, ....... you guys will never understand those who own Porsches. Once you've owned one you realize that there is no car like it and you want nothing else. You guys, Corvette owners included ..just don't get it. WE DON"T CARE. It's been stated before " you get what you pay for. Trimming down always costs you ( one who makes the purschase as well as one who sells ... Read More
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [chrmdome]
Merry Christmas everybody From Canada No hard feelings people The GTR is a new breed squashes a vette or a porshe and is 10x more stable a platform using a v6 it makes the vette v8 engine seem retarded the transmission is new age wind turbolence Drag is slick sucks air that would normally buffet the front of the car out the side areo slits with full functionality this car is ... Read More
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [redsoxg [600kgolfgt]
With that kind of flawed logic, the LS460 must have had a lot of cost cutting compared to the MB S550. The LS has won every comparison test, is far more reliable, and is $25k cheaper. a toyota yaris is more reliable than the S550.
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [dogface
I am not sure if you have had a frontal lobotomy, but to refresh your memory the Altima is sportier than an Accord. Granted that 350Z sales have decreased in last couple of years, it will sell close to 19k units this year, and sold 23k units last year, and 28k units the year before, the boxster/cayman will only sell 9500 units this year, while that is not 3 to 1, ... Read More
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [redsoxg
I am sure Porsche senior management appreciates your concern on their behalf, but I am equally sure they don't share it. Porsche senior management realizes that in order to create a car that performs like a $100,000 Porsche for $70,000 requires some cost cutting engineering (compromise). You get what you pay for.
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [dogface5]
I am sure Porsche senior management appreciates your concern on their behalf, but I am equally sure they don't share it. In the perenial quest for what car will be the 911 beater, we've had the Corvette, Viper, Acura NSX, AM V8, and a bunch of others try their best over 4+ decades. This year 911 sales will set another record. I too think it's curious that Nissan is apparantly taking ... Read More
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [habitat1]
In the aforementioned full test of the GT-R, it was the driver's conclusion that the GT-R was more refined and less punishing that the 911 turbo, and I did not describe the 911 as "unsettled". If I was senior management at porsche, I would be worried...very worried. I would think to my self, even though I am primarily a sports car company, I had to create a huge SUV to inflate ... Read More
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [dogface5]
slower in 0-60, tied for quarter mile, slower in slalom. Another guy who prostrates himself to "numbers". If you think 0-60, 1/4 mile and slalom are the entire story, perhaps you should just sit on the throne and read road tests every morning. Why dare drive any of them and risk finding out there is actually more to performance than those particular numbers? By the way, this isn't a "Porsche" bias ... Read More
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [upstatedoc]
Unfortunatley, many on this thread are biased. The GT-R will hurt the 911. The GTR will be ~ 67K vs 130K for the porsche which is slower in 0-60, tied for quarter mile, slower in slalom. Although not many who can afford a porsche think that price is an issue, it is hard to justify spending 60K more for a car that offers no significant performance advantage.
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [upstatedoc]
Greetings: I would like to wish everyone ( all car lovers ) a Merry Chrsitmas and a Happy New Year, and Happy Holidays! Hoping that no one person takes any of our bantering ( back and forth ) personal, as I do not.. it's continues to be fun to try to grab ones attention by " bad-mouthing " his car a little. We wouldn't be on this forum if we didn't ... Read More
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [habitat1]
I'm not a big Nissan fan but it would be worthwhile to check out Edmunds' test video on the GT-R. It looks pretty impressive. Typical japanese styling, front end almost looks 350Z ish. I would doubt you could get your hands on a car like this for $70K, production will be so limited. BTW, "launch control" is also standard on the Mark V VW GTI w/ DSG. ;)
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