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2012 e class and put it in the new one sticker was 61475 he knocked it down to 53500, That is a discount of over $8000, or $4000 below "invoice. On a newly redesigned car. that is a phenominal price. There has to be some incentive money available, or something. I can't believe they would sell a brand new 2014, just in the US market for a few days, for a ... Read More
FYI! http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-31/mercedes-dangles-5-000-vip-discounts-to- -hold-u-s-lead-over-bmw.html?cmpid%3Dyhoo
Smartfanatics & NJ1234, Being that clock is ticking you before the promo ends....here is the dealers info. and salesperson's name. Dealer: Mercedes of Manhattan Salesperson: Adam W. TELL HIM YOU WERE REFERRED BY: Jason Also, if you can share your first name I can personally email him about you going to him..... Suggestion: CALL NOW AND START THE PROCESS Winter event ends 12/31/2012(I think?) DON'T SHARE this blog information, don't want ... Read More
Welcome back Chalkie. Mercedes-Benz Financial's November buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 24-month lease of a 2013 E Bluetec with 12,000 miles per year are .00160 and 73% for consumers who qualify for its top credit tier. Car_man Host Prices Paid: Buying & Leasing Experiences Forum
You're welcome Shaam. Mercedes-Benz replaced the conquest cash that it was offering last month with $4,000 Winter Sales Event dealer cash certificates. Car_man Host Prices Paid: Buying & Leasing Experiences Forum
You're welcome markemarkee. Mercedes-Benz Financial's November buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 24-month lease of a 2013 E350 Sedan with 15,000 miles per year are .00121 and 69% for consumers who qualify for its top credit tier. The numbers for otherwise identical 30- and 36-month leases are .00121 / 63% and .00121 / 58%. If you were to lease this car with only 12,000 miles per year, ... Read More
Hi shopper1234. Yes, the way I understand it is Mercedes has negotiated a specific plan with USAA that reimburses dealers a certain amount in exchange for providing an attractive fixed price to USAA members who use their auto buying service. Car_man Host Prices Paid: Buying & Leasing Experiences Forum
Thank you Car_Man, Very helpful. Do you know if Mercedes is offering Conquest Cash this month? I'm currently a BMW owner, so it would apply to me if they are. If so, how much are they offering and can it be combined with the $4000 dealer cash? Thank you so much for your help. Shaam
Carman, How does a USAA discount further reduce the cost of the vehicle? Does the Mercedes dealer get any incentives to honor those??
Hi z4maudioman. Mercedes-Benz Financial's November buy rate lease money factor and residual value for 24-month lease of a 2013 E350 Sedan with 10,000 miles per year are .00121 and 72% for consumers who qualify for its top credit tier. The money factors for 30- and 36-month leases of this car are the same, but the residual values would be 66% and 61%. The numbers for the 2012 model are .00127 / ... Read More
Hello Car_Man, I am looking at both Jaguar XF's and E350's. For the E350, would you please provide me with the following rates for November? 2012 E350 Sedan (not AWD) - 24, 30 and 36 month leases at 10K miles/year 2013 E350 Sedan (not AWD) - 24, 30 and 36 month leases at 10K miles/year Also, would you be able to share any rebates/incentives being offered for both model years? Conquest ... Read More
Looks good... Do they have the car in stock? 2012 or 2013? Good luck.
Sure z4maudioman. Mercedes-Benz Financial's October buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 24-month lease of a 2012 E350 Sedan with 12,000 miles per year are .00127 and 69%, respectively for consumers who qualify for its top credit tier. The numbers for an otherwise identical 30-month lease are .00127 / 61%. The 36-month numbers are .00127 / 52%. Car_man Host Prices Paid: Buying & Leasing Experiences Forum
Hi Markemarkee. Mercedes-Benz Financial's October buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 24-month lease of a 2013 E350 Sedan with 15,000 miles per year are .00121 and 69%, respectively for consumers who qualify for its top credit tier. You can lease this car for 24, 30 or 36 months. The money factors for all three terms would be the same. The residual values would be different though. Car_man ... Read More
Hey All - Just got this deal on a 2013 E350 4-matic for a friend. MSRP is $59,195 (P1, Sport and Wheel package) The company he works for is on the Mercedes Benz Fleet list with about 12,000 other companies! Its seems everyone is one there from McDonald's to IBM…. The final selling price was $49,928 after the $2,500 MBF incentive. Total out of pocket is $731 (just first month and ... Read More
Lease a 2012 E350 4Matic over the weekend at a large mercedes dealer in Westmont Illinois. MSRP 58800 Discount 9300 24 months/24k miles 1000 dollars total out of pocket 550 per month I don't think it was that great of a deal but I did it anyway. I leased it as a gift for my father and did not have too much time to shop around.
Hi lotterywinner. The car that you are interested in probably has a spread of around $4,500 or so between its full MSRP and its dealer invoice price. Plus Mercedes dealers are being given $1,500 CAP certificates that can be used on it, giving you a total of around $6,000 to play with if you can convince the dealer to use one on your deal. That puts the deal that you were ... Read More
You can check 2013 August lease rates at http://www.ridewithg.com/index.php/2012/08/2013-mercedes-benz-lease-rates-august- -2012/ It does not have E550 rates but should still provide you a guess-estimate. Btw, I am not affiliated with this site and found it on mbworld.org.
Folks - Thank you all for making this thread a very valuable source of info for lease & purchase. Thanks to your posts, I went through an almost painless and straight forward process and took home a 2012 E-350 about a week ago from Lokey Mercedes in Clearwater, FL. Black/Cashmere leather/P2..... MSRP - $62,375 Purchase price - $52,700 (~16% discount off MSRP) Term/miles: 24/12k MF: special buyrate .00127 less autopay (.00010) ... Read More
Hello Marke. Mercedes-Benz Financial's August buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36-month lease of a 2012 E350 Sedan with 15,000 miles per year are .00127 and 51%, respectively for consumers who qualify for its top credit tier. Mercedes-Benz is not providing lease support on the 2012 model yet, so if you were to lease it you would have to use Mercedes-Benz financial's standard lease money factors and ... Read More
Hello Everyone! I just signed a 2012 Mercedes E350 Coupe 4Matic w/ Premium Package 1 + rear spoiler (limited options left for 12's). Here's the details: Sticker price $58,475 -Down Payment including first month payment_total out of pocket - $3500 -24 Month Lease -15k Miles a year Price with tax monthly @ 599.00 No MB service/maintenance included. Please advise me if I got a bad deal...I am a bit worried I ... Read More
Greetings edjj. Mercedes-Benz is not currently providing any lease support on the E350 Coupe. This means if you were to lease one through MB Finance, you would have to use its standard lease money factor. That number varies by credit tier and possibly by region, but .00200 is a good estimate. As far as this car's residual values go, Mercedes-Benz Financial's August resid for a 36-month lease of a 2012 E350 ... Read More
Hi bass_fisher. Mercedes-Benz Financial's July buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 24-month lease of a 2012 E350 Sedan 4Matic with 12,000 miles per year are .00131 and 70%, respectively for consumers who qualify for its top credit tier. The numbers for an otherwise identical 36-month lease are .00131 and 51%. If you were to lease with only 10,000 miles per year this car's residual values would be ... Read More
Car Man: Can you post the 2012 and 2013 lease program (residual and money factor) for the E350 4MATIC for 24 months, or 36 months with 10k, 12k driving? I am thinking about going for a 2012 or 2013. Not sure how big a difference there is. It's really hard to find the colors and options I wanted with 2012. Thanks!
I don't believe there are any money offers on the 2013's yet....Since yo have 5 months, I would wait until next month....or lease a 2012 which is essentially the same car as the 2013, if you find one equipped the way you like it. $3000 conquest money, 76% residual and the discount using multiple security deposits make it a very cheap lease. If you belong to MBCA, don't forget that $1000 ... Read More
Car_Man: Can you post the 2012 and 2013 lease program (residual and money factor) for the E350 4MATIC for 24 months, or 36 months with 10k, 12k driving? I am thinking about going for a 2012 or 2013. Not sure how big a difference there is. It's really hard to find the colors and options I wanted with 2012. Thanks!
Hi Jon. Mercedes might not be doing the Value Added use of 30-month numbers for 33-month terms this month. I believe that it is advertising 24-month leases of this car right now. Chances are that's the most attractive term at this time. Mercedes-Benz Financial's July buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 24-month lease of a 2012 E350 Sedan with 15,000 miles per year are .00127 and 67%, ... Read More
Hi Guys, I currently have a 2009 c300 lease that is due in a few months. Fully loaded with p2+amg with only 19k miles. MBZ dealership contacted me and offered to take 4 remaining payments, waive turn in fee, wouldn’t pay upcoming dmv on it (39m lease) and offered me this below… 2012 E 350 w/ p2+amg wheel pckg+rear spoiler+Sport package+lane tracking pckg with msrp $59,725 for $50,800. ~14.9% discount it ... Read More
Does anyone know the difference in discount that one gets off an e class on these three programs. I've seen that Costco and USAA are about the same but I see very little discussion of the AmEx discount or other buying club discounts. I believe that the conquest cash (currently $3000) is not combinable with any of the above, but the mercedes club and mercedes finance discounts ARE combinable witih each ... Read More
Hey rravin. Mercedes-Benz Financial's July buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 33-month lease of a 2012 E350 Sedan with 15,000 miles per year are .00127 and 60%, respectively for consumers who qualify for its top credit tier. The residual value for a lease with only 12,000 miles per year would be 2% higher. At lease signing, you will have to pay your vehicle's first month's payment and ... Read More
Hi rravin. The 33-month term is definitely better than the 36-month term on this car right now, but neither mileage allowance, 12k or 15k, is necessarily better than the other. It all depends upon how many miles you need. If you're going to use 15,000 miles per year definitely go with that option. Mercedes-Benz Finance's current buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 33-month lease of a 2012 ... Read More
I traded in my 2010 Mercedes E350 4Matic on Feb. 13, 2012. My car had 8,900 miles on it. I got $38,000 for it. Hope this helps you.
Hi Car man, Can you please tell me the July MF (tier 1 credit) and residual % for leasing a 2012 Mercedes E350 4-door sedan(gas model) for 33months 12k and 15k respectively. Is The competitive conquest program still in effect and can MSD's be used. I am located in Los Angeles, CA. Any other fees besides origination charge of $795, and tax/license that I should expect to pay up front? Need ... Read More
you don't pay interest on taxes....taxes are added to the monthly charge each month. There is no advantage to paying them up front unless your state requires you to do so. Maintenance covers the maintenance of the car by mercedes and by including it in the lease as a feature, you may find that you only pay a part of the list price. Get them to quote the same lease with ... Read More
You're very welcome Vince. Mercedes-Benz Finance's June buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 48-month lease of a 2012 E350 Sedan with 15,000 miles per year would be .00150 and 46%, respectively for consumers who qualify for its top credit tier. Car_man Host Prices Paid: Buying & Leasing Experiences Forum
2010 E350 with 38,000 miles... First of all, make sure the car is certified by Mercedes Benz. Secondly, you should not pay any more than $38,000 for the car. Remember, there is a new engine out in the 2012's. They had tremendous incentives on the 2010 E350, so most people paid about $47,000 new for the car. Offer them $36,000 and counter their offer at $38,000. Good luck.
Hi, I am looking to see if I am getting a good deal or not on a 2012 E350 Luxury. I am new to buying so not sure. The car has less then 50 miles on it and has a MSRP of $60,395. I got the price down to $50,157.00 Please let me know if you think this is a good deal or not. Thanks for any help.
Money factors are usually posted on here or other places online such as http://www.ridewithg.com/index.php/2012/05/2012-mercedes-benz-lease-rates-may-20- 12/ (I hope it's ok I posted that link). Those numbers are for May, don't know if the June numbers are online yet anywhere. Once you have your numbers (MSRP, residual value, negotiated sales price, money factor and term), plug them into an online lease calculator such as the one here http://www.cars.com/go/advice/financing/calc/loanLeaseCalc.jsp (on the right side of ... Read More
Thanks socal59. Mercedes-Benz Financial's current residual value for a 24-month lease of a 2012 E350 Wagon with 15,000 miles per year is 62%. Mercedes is not currently providing any lease support on this model. If you want to lease one through MB Finance, you would have to use its standard lease money factors. Car_man Host Prices Paid: Buying & Leasing Experiences Forum
Do you have another car registered to you (or your wife if married) where you can use the Conquest Incentive? You would get $3,000 off the price from that. If not, then you should be able to get the Owner Loyalty which I think is $2,000 but I'm not certain. The invoice on the car you mentioned is around $58,500 with the dealer cost being $56,578. If you press them enough, ... Read More
and your dealer is correct....because the .00126 is a special money factor. The 10 MSD reduction of .0007 can only be taken off the base mf which is somewhere around .0025 (not sure of this months rate). MSD's really help on the BlueTec which doesn't have the special money factor, but has fantastic residuals (~75%) on a 24 mo lease.
Spoke with the dealer. residual: 62% $39,456.80 money factor: .00126 Dealer said they cant combine 10 security deposits with the program they are giving me.
Do you know if you get the Security deposit back if the car it totaled in an accident? I will find out about the RV & MF
Hi dannye350, What were the RV and MF that you were quoted for your 33mo/12K lease? These are crucial variables for us to assess your deal. In the interim, a few ideas for consideration follow below. 1. Pay $0 down (or as close to it) as you should only pay 1st month's payment and DMV fees. 2. Consider the max 10 MSDs as this will significantly reduce the MF and subsequent ... Read More
I have a deal on the table. Here are the particulars below. Its 2012 e350 Sport White with Black interior. P2 package, Panorama roof, Lane Tracking, Spoiler, Parktronic, Msrp: $63,640 Negotiated Price: 54,000 The deal they are giving me is $590 Per month including Michigan 6% tax. With $2,742.54 Due 33 Month Lease 12000 Miles per month
I have a 2012 E350 loaded… I just drove the 2013 Lexus GS350 and loved it so much that I traded my 2012 E350 for a loaded one. Heads up display, Mark Levinson 850 watt 17 speaker audio system, intuitive park assist, NAV with web connectivity, Blind Spot Monitor, Luxury Package, etc, MSRP $59,000, and in gray with "Flaxen" (dark saddle) full leather on seats, doors, lower dash etc, and it ... Read More
Sure, here is an article on it: http://daveknowscars.com/2012/03/03/mercedes-benz-competitor-conquest-program-sa- ve-up-to-4000-on-new-mercedes-vehicles-open-to-just-about-every-competing-make-d- uring-march-2012/ It's still valid for May, not sure if it will extend into June, it probably will as it's been going for a while but it has to end sometime so who knows. As for how we got the actual price...just sort of happened. We initially figured it should be able to get invoice minus the $3k conquest cash. We based the ... Read More
Just got word from my sales rep that (as of today) MBFS is offering a 6 month pull forward instead of the regular 4 month. Helps me get out of current benz and into new one while the 2012's are still around and have great incentives. Time to jump on a deal if you have less than 6 months left. Or in my case, still worth it with 9 months left ... Read More
sounds like an excellent plan. Unless things have changed dramatically, by far the best lease on the bluetec is 24 months due to an extremely high residual. For gas cars it's 33 months. Likely the dealer won't believe the payment is correct because they don't know 24 months is better. Don't worry about insulting a dealer...that's rediculous. Your biggest negotiating weapon are your feet....when they won't meet your price, start to ... Read More
Hi all - Am also at a point of perhaps having to order a 2013 E350 w/Package 1. Does anyone know what the expected change in invoice or MSRP for the 2013 E350? Also, it sound like there is essentially no changes either betweeen 2012 and 2013 models. The upcoming exterior front/back changes that are being introduced in 2013 in Europe, won't make it here for the US models until 2014, ... Read More
The problem with MB and most European cars is that quality, reliability and dependability are far too inconsistent. This is especially so when you consider how long they have been in the business and how much they charge for the cars. The BEST German cars only rate an average on reliability and very few of them. In truth, MB probably never has been the reliability/dependability icon it is supposed to be. ... Read More
Hi crobar1. Mercedes is not currently providing any lease support on the 2012 E350 Coupe. As a result, if you were to lease one through Mercedes-Benz Finance you would have to use its standard lease money factor and a residual value of 58% (for 36-months, 15,000 miles per year. I'm not sure when the 2013 E Coupes will be out. I don't think that it will be in the next two ... Read More
Hi nyc_seth. Mercedes-Benz Finance's May buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 24-month lease of a 2012 E350 Sedan with 15,000 miles per year are .00150 and 65%, respectively for consumers who qualify for its top credit tier. Car_man Host Prices Paid: Buying & Leasing Experiences Forum
Hi sailingmoe. Mercedes-Benz Financial's April buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 24-month lease of a 2012 E350 Sedan with 15,000 miles per year are .00169 and 66%, respectively for consumers who qualify for its top credit tier. The numbers for an otherwise identical 33-month lease are .00169 and 61%. This car's 36-month numbers are .00169 and 52%. Mercedes is currently providing dealers with a select number of ... Read More
Congratulations on youir new Mercedes. We all have positive and negative experiences at dealerships, unfortunately. I live about 5 miles south of you in Coconut Creek and tried to buy my 2012 E Class from them, but with a poor result. The same was true at their sister dealership in Pompano Beach. I have had great experiences with Mercedes of Delray, though. I've purchased 6 cars from them for me and ... Read More
fees.start up cost is too high....only pay first month's lease payment plus anything else required by law (registration, taxes,...). Ask if you can apply multiple security deposits to help lower the money factor on your lease....some dealers will let you based on the .00169, others will let you based on some other rate; some have no clue what a multiple security deposit is (make them look it up...it's part of the ... Read More
You shouldn't put any money down on a lease...it creates an artificial belief that you are getting a good deal, but in fact you are taking a risk if your car is totalled or stolen. Put the money you would have paid up front in a bank and use it to pay the slightly higher monthly payments....or... the better use for the funds is to use multiple security deposits...instead of putting ... Read More
amukhi, Residual for 10k miles per year is 78% for 24 months and money factor is .00195. I would not put that much money down on the lease.
looking to lease 2012 benz e350 blue tech 10k miles, 24-27month lease need it with navigation I am looking to put 3-4k down payment
I found this link on mbworld.org forums. I haven't seen mention of it here. Are the dealers keeping it quiet and keeping the cash? http://daveknowscars.com/2012/03/03/mercedes-benz-competitor-conquest-program-sa- ve-up-to-4000-on-new-mercedes-vehicles-open-to-just-about-every-competing-make-d- uring-march-2012/
Hey eric312. Mercedes-Benz is providing a $3,000 conquest cash incentive on the 2012 E's in March. Car_man Host Prices Paid: Buying & Leasing Experiences Forum
Greetings christiands. Mercedes-Benz Financial's March buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 33-month lease of a 2012 E350 Sedan 4Matic Sport with 10,000 miles per year are .00169 and 64%, respectively for consumers who qualify for its top credit tier. Car_man Host Prices Paid: Buying & Leasing Experiences Forum
Hi grandmama. Mercedes is not currently providing any support on the 2012 E550 Sedan. As a result, if you were to lease one through Mercedes-Benz Financial right now you would have to use its standard lease program. Its buy rate standard lease money factor for consumers who qualify for its Tier 1 credit tier is currently around .00225, though this may vary somewhat by region. MB Finance's current 36-month, 12,000 mile ... Read More
Hello Bobby. Mercedes-Benz Financial's March buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36-month lease of a 2012 E350 Sedan with 12,000 miles per year are .00169 and 54%, respectively for consumers who qualify for its top credit tier. Mercedes is currently providing a $2,000 owner loyalty offer or a $3,000 conquest offer to current owners of competitive models on this car. Car_man Host Prices Paid: Buying & Leasing ... Read More
I was just reading the March-April "The Star" (bi-monthly Mercedes Benz Club of America magazine) and saw a brief article on the new hybrids from Mercedes (p. 18). The E400, due for release in the 3rd quarter of 2012 as a 2013, will have a V6 engine, 302 horsepower (same as the current 2012 non-hybrid V6) and is expected to consume fuel @ 24 mpg city and 31 mpg highway. Will ... Read More
MSNJ: There really is no special deal in February for the BlueTec....but there is one for the non diesels. The diesel 24 mo lease remains the best deal in cardom. The price quoted looks right. You should take the maximum number of MSD's (10) which will require you to "loan" Mercedes roughly $6000 (depending on how your dealer calculates it). That will reduce your MF to .00155 which will result in ... Read More
I had an opportunity to take a neighbor of mine over to a brand new Mercedes Dealership owned by the same company as the one I got my Mercedes at! My neighbor preferred purchasing his new car at the new dealership (only about 2 miles from where we live) because he did not want to drive the extra 15 miles to my dealership. Since he knows I have purchased many Mercedes ... Read More
Hi joescar1. Mercedes-Benz Financial's February buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36-month lease of a 2012 E350 Coupe with 15,000 miles per year are .00162 and 57%, respectively for consumers who qualify for its top credit tier. Car_man Host Prices Paid: Buying & Leasing Experiences Forum
You apparently don't understand multiple security deposits and how they work. They are SECURITY DEPOSITS, not money down on the car. Unlike money down, you get security deposits back at the end of the lease....they are effectively a short term loan to mercedes finance. For that loan, mercedes finance will reduce the money factor on your lease by .00007 for each security deposit (monthly payment) you loan them. Maximum of 10 ... Read More
That looks like Mercedes standard money factor. You should use multiple security deposits to reduce the mf to .00155 which will save you a fair amount...if you are in a state that allows them (most do...NY doesn't).
Putting $5K (or anything) down on a lease is not a good idea. If your car is stolen or totalled, Mercedes will use that money instead of their free gap insurance. Either use the money to make multiple security deposits or keep the money and use it to pay the slightly higher monthly payments.
Signed a lease today for E350 / P1 / Sport/ Rear spoiler MSRP - $55265 Sale Price - $47988 10 K / 33 months - Scheduled Maintenance for 33 months covered - First class lease protection $1200 drive off -including first month and DMV / fees Base payment - $577.15 With CA tax - $624.76 Let me know how I did. Didn't own any previous benz or other luxury car. Went ... Read More
Hi jk7. Mercedes-Benz Financial's 12,000 mile per year residual values are 1% lower than its 10,000 mile per year residuals. Its 15,000 mile per year residual values are 3% lower than its 10k resids. The 36-month, 15,000 mile per year residual value for a 2012 E350 Sedan 4Matic is indeed only 52%. I don't know if the E550 Sedan is eligible for the Value Added program, that enables consumers to lease ... Read More
Hi bobby29oc. Mercedes-Benz Financial's February 2012 buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 24-month lease of a 2012 E350 Sedan with 12,000 miles per year are .00157 and 68%, respectively for consumers who qualify for its top credit tier. The numbers for otherwise identical 30- and 36-month leases are .00157 / 63% and .00157 / 54%. If this car is eligible for Mercedes' "Value Added" program, and I ... Read More
You might want to add mercedes basic maintenance to the lease.....if the dealer will include it as an option on the car vs something you have to pay in full over the life of the lease. Many of us have had it added this way and as a result, we only pay a small percent of the price for our maintenance during the lease. (on a feature, you only pay the ... Read More
Going up the I-5 corridor in your new Mercedes Benz at 70-75 mph should get you about 31 mpg's which is what I get when my speed exceeds 65 mph. At 55 mph, I can get 34 mpg's, 32-33 at 65 mph. I have also learned to disregard the "instant" mpg reading because it is inaccurate as it was on my 2011, but the average mpg rčadout is identical to my ... Read More
Hi Richard. Mercedes-Benz Financial's February buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 33-month lease of a 2012 E350 4Matic with 10,000 miles per year are .00158 and 64%, respectively for consumers who qualify for its top credit tier. Mercedes-Benz is not providing any lease support on the E350 BlueTec right now. As a result, if you were to lease one through Mercedes-Benz Financial you would have to use ... Read More
Hmmm...just tried it and you are correct! I've used that site to get info on my 2012 before ordering it last August. I wonder what happened to the site. It was the only site that was months ahead of all the others on upgrades and model enhancements. Does anyone out there know of any other sites (except for the usual ones like MBUSA.com, edmunds.com, etc.) where one can get updates on ... Read More
Market analysts find out perceived consumer desires, wants and or Preferences and then engineering and designers create solutions. At least that has been the usual flow of ideas and advances. I guess engineering and designers can "create" and then marketing can "sell", but meeting needs seems to Be more logical.
Blame the marketing department...it's not the engineers that come up with all the things.
If you look at the consumer ratings here on Edmunds and other sites, a common thread that is frequently mentioned is the lack of standard leather. For a luxury brand, one would think that US marketing tests would have brought this to the attention of corporate (limited head room and leather). As lawcar mentioned in one of these forums, power retractable side mirrors are standard on many luxury brands - but ... Read More
Last I looked at the MB, I had the dealer make a plea to corporate, but no joy. He told me that when it was optional, people would complain that it was standard on other brands they were looking at and said, why should we have to pay extra for it? To satisfy the typical lazy US consumer, they just relented. There is some economy of scale to just build them ... Read More
Great point! Moon/sunroofs were optional for many years and then manufacturers thought they were doing us a favor making them standard. You are correct - headroom is tight in the Benz. Nor only that, I only use the moonroof only 10 - 20 times a year. Too hot here in Florida and sun too strong most months. Why not make them optional and make leather standard?
My biggest gripe with (almost) all luxury vehicles is that with my long torso, to get a comfortable position, I'm either having to crawl around the door pillar (on MB) to get out, or stuffing my head into the mandatory sunroof. While a few of the brands have occasionally allowed you to order one without the sunroof, lately that generally isn't the case. It's distressing when looking in their (German) home ... Read More
I was in the car business just before retiring a couple of years ago as a manager of a high end new car dealership. In fact, I just helped lawcar with the purchase of his new E350 sport sedan, a vehicle I also just bought in October when the new 2012's hit the showrooms. I can't agree more with your comments about Mercedes back in the early 2000's - more problems ... Read More
Merger with Chrysler was not a cause, but symptom of Benz's troubles. I think at some point they started chasing revenue (sales) by all means possible - Chrysler was one, lowering quality to maintain pricing levels was another. MB were a some point beta-versions of their cars sold as fully developed. The attitude was "let the consumer come to the dealer for a free fix". Also, long-term quality idea was abandoned, ... Read More
I lived in Germany a long time ago for awhile...rode down the autobahn at 200km/h lots of times in various vehicles...if you keep up on the maintenance (and the Germans pretty much require it - their vehicle inspections would put 80% of our cars out of commission!), they work. FWIW, at the time, to pass inspection, they put the vehicle on a test rig that checked front/rear and left/right braking for ... Read More
Hi Dave. Sounds like you are trying to get acquainted with your COMMAND system. COMMAND expertise takes many, many months to master. Just the commands alone are impossible to remember there are so many of them. I just made a list of the most frequently used commands and, after 3 years of owning E350's (2010, 2011 and 2012) I am just beginning to learn how extensive this system is. You can ... Read More
Ditto to Lawcar's statements, sounds like you are a big BMW fan. I have no knocks at BMW, but it does have a sporty feel and yes, I would advise anyone that is looking at any of these cars to find a good knowledgable independent mechanic. Also, I just did not want to state it, but the plus I was talking about was 105 mph on a car that has 250,000 ... Read More
I meant in general that the BMW is not as "luxury" feeling as the others. For example, it is not rough but does not ride quite as smooth (that's the nature of the BMW suspension), doesn't have as many features as "standard" or as part of a single package, navigation system is more cumbersome than on the Lexus touch screen, cupholders not as user friendly, interior not as finely finished. Again, ... Read More
Not sure where your ideas of creature comforts came from re BMW vs MB, but they match up pretty well. On some models, they're standard, but may be optional on others. Multi-zone climate control, heated seats, ventillated seats, massaging seats, seat memory, heated steering wheel, voice control, puddle lights, rain sensing wipers, lane departure warning, automatic headlights, turing headlights, fog lights, headlight washers, smart cruise control, navigation, and the list goes ... Read More
I could not agree more about your comments. I have never owned a BMW, but I did test drive one during our search. The BMW was like driving a sports car, great if that is what you want and the Lexus did have every creature comfort in the world, but Mercedes build the best all round car and they are designed to last for a long time. Yes, they have to ... Read More
Maintenance from Mercedes for 36 months is about $1000. You are also getting the tire and wheel insurance package as well, then that is a good price. It's always smart to go to at least three dealerships, if at all possible to make sure you get the best deal. I am not an expert on leasea, but I do know that money factors have gone up considerably since January 3rd. Hope ... Read More
I was just a my dealership and found out the following: All new E350's currently at the port are being "held" until February because they are now coming in from Germany with the ability to burn gasoline that is 85% ethanol. The E350's sold prior to that cannot burn 85% ethanol, only 90% ethanol. That is the reason there has been a shortage of 2012 E350 Sedans - they were not ... Read More
Thanks, Yes I did drive the new 4-cylinder 528i. I liked the handling of it (more responsive than the E350) and didn't notice much of a difference with the 4-cylinder turbocharged engine compared to my 6-cylinder 2009 528i. But there were a few things I didn't care for: the keyless ignition (I like to turn the key, and all of the BMW's have the keyless ignition); the start/stop (the car vibrated ... Read More
Interesting - and good luck w/the MB. Did you test drive the new 4 cylinder 528i? - Ray Just curious .....
Well, it was almost anti-climactic after the several weeks of research, test drives, posting and reading on this website. I have been driving my black exterior/almond interior 2012 E350 which I picked up last week and really like it. While the black exterior does get dirty sooner than my medium gray BMW 528i, this color combination is very rich and elegant, yet sporty at the same time. Even though the car ... Read More
The wheel protection coverage is really a must with the AMG wheel package. I live in south Florida, so I don't get the wheel protection package because our roads are quite good. But in New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania, I would imagine the roads are like the surface of the moon in certain areas. When I lived in New York, pot holes were expected with the snow, ice, sleet and ... Read More
Yes, you laid it out quite well. Synthetic oil every 10k miles. We've got a Acura MDX I'll use for running around town errands. The E can be for road trips. From what I understand the new E-class has reduced friction in the engine by 30%. Hopefully the new E will show improvement over its predecessor. They next step will be for Mercedes to reduce the need for service visits. I'm ... Read More
I believe your salesperson was correct because the USAA pricing is actually $1500 below invoice. You did get the conquest discount of $2000, which you cannot get if you use USAA pricing. The only incentive that can be used with USAA pricing is the MB Financial and you have to have a current lease or active loan with them to qualify for it. In my estimation, you paid invoice for the ... Read More
The Edmunds TCO® estimated monthly insurance payment for a 2012 Mercedes-Benz E-Class in WA is: