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by iluvmysephia1 on Tue Nov 18 01:12:42 PST 2008
rockford I have seen so many dull looking huge pick-em-up trucks from GM right now and so few affordable green products that I am of the mindset that GM can just fall in to a huge Midwest protoplasm omeba of Detroit Piston muck. The Silverado you see to the right in the ad has slowed us all down for long enough. That gravytrain has sailed. Your GDP numbers are inflated because they're made by a UAW member, aren't they? The bailout is dead. I agree with gagrice on this one. Dead. Done. Cya-Nara. Cya-woudn't want to have ever been ya. Over. And out. rockylee...is it true that Chev really wants $46,995 for the 2010 Chevy Volt? Please tell me that's an Internet misnomer, man. :sick:
I vote Yes
by goldenmonkey76 on Mon Nov 17 20:41:38 PST 2008
Limit the salaries of the executives and the UAW workers. The greed of all these people along with poor designs and the US automakers inability to predict the market, or change quickly when the market changes, is what has killed the US car companies. I live in MI and it would have a HUGE impact on this state if GM went under. So many job shops, suppliers, restaurants, bars and other businesses couldn’t survive without GM. If you think it won’t make an impact on your life if you don’t live in the Midwest then you don’t know much about jobs and the economy. I haven’t bought a US made vehicle in seven years. I’m so tired of supporting greedy UAW workers who make good money while trying to do the least amount of work. My job has taken me to many plants where I have witnessed first hand how “hard” UAW workers really work. I agree that the executives make waaaaaaay too much money and that should definitely be addressed. I just don’t think a guy running a Hi-lo needs to make $30 an hour and then have the balls to demand more. Unions were created for a very good reason but unfortunately they have been corrupted and are now part of the problem. We need government intervention and oversight.
Re: STI - final thoughts [chikoo]
by graphicguy on Mon Nov 17 16:48:05 PST 2008
chikoo....no argument at all. Maybe it's because the midwest (specifically OH, MI have been hit hard by the failures of the auto industry.....especially recently. Wiping out GM, would be devastating to tons of people. I believe GM can be worth saving, and IS worth saving. 10 years from now, we all could be sitting around and saying we had the opportunity to save the U.S. auto industry, but didn't.
Re: Cheaper to extend GM's life? [sellaturcica]
by kernick on Mon Nov 17 13:54:13 PST 2008
The answer is an emphatic "NO". Please read the previous few hundred posts, which will explain to you why this scenario of doom you are repeating is inaccurate and misleading. 1) If GM goes under, Ford and Chrysler are still in business. Most GM customers would go to similar vehicles from Ford and Chrysler, which will help them. 2) If people are going to buy 12M vehicles in 2009, then 12M vehicles will be sold. It does not matter if GM goes under, as the stakes (gain market-share) are too high for the others to miss those sales. You would see other auto plants in the U.S. increasing production. 3) If you give GM $ now, you will be basically signing on to keeping the same business model now that spends $2B/month than it takes in. No one as eveidenced by the banks and stock-market has any confidence GM will start making $ anytime soon. 4) You don't make a case for why it is a) bailout, or b) total collapse for GM. If GM declares bankruptcy then they can setup a new system for making and selling cars - one that is the right-size and is profitable. The "devastation to Michigan and the midwest" is nothing more than Bulloney - promoted by those who will GAIN. It is an unrealistic scenario meant to frighten people into supporting a great give away of taxpayer money. If you or I could get $25B or $50B for our company or union members, what sort of stories do you think we'd create? That's a lot of money not to fib a little? The unions and corporate lobbyists are all looking for a little payback from the election, and this could be it. All a few of the Dem. politicians have to do, is say those fibs and stories are valid, and now they have reason to throw $ back to their "donating friends". :mad:
Cheaper to extend GM's life?
by sellaturcica on Mon Nov 17 13:20:12 PST 2008
Is a bailout cheaper in the long term versus a GM and other company pension default and all the unemployment benefits the Feds will be paying out? Not to mention the devastation to Michigan and the midwest?
Re: [volvomax]
by darkq on Mon Nov 17 10:58:57 PST 2008
4WD, in Midwest. Thanks, Volvomax!

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