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Re: thinking about a 1999 GM [lostwrench]

by tismyself on Thu Jun 19 21:33:00 PDT 2008

Yes, the timing belt. When you are a single female who does not know very much about cars, life is very different. So, for the most part, just like Blanche DuBois, I am dependent on the kindness of strangers. Now, if you want to talk engineering or architecture... that's a different story. ;)

Re: G8, Pontiac image [grbeck]

by 1487 on Wed Apr 25 11:48:03 PDT 2007

" I questioned whether a Pontiac can sell for this price, given the baggage carried by the brand. There is a difference. " You made statements about how the car wouldnt sell because there would be no "base" model. It is common knowledge that there will be a V6 model costing well under $30k. How can you predict the car will not find buyers if you dont know anything about the car? I think thats a fair question. "You use the same tactic - claiming a brand (Saturn in this case) had increased sales, without mentioning that those sales increases are because of new additions to the lineup. Let him who is without sin... " Its common knowledge that Saturn added models. I am confused as to what big secret or conspiracy you feel you have exposed. Saturn's lineup had two vehicles only two years ago. If GM thought they could've increased the brands sales WITHOUT new models there would be no Aura, Outlook or Sky. It's pretty apparent that Saturn has added models to ad volume. Can you explain how this is something that should be ridiculed? I am lost. Hopefully I was able to explain that without any "red herrings". "Unless your real name is Alison Dubois - or Patricia Arquette - I'll take that post with a great big grain of salt and wait for myself until the actual prices of the car and equipment are released. Based on Lutz's comments and what has been reported by the press the car is expected to cost between $25k-$35k. Of course we dont know the EXACT numbers but if your expecting a $50k Pontiac you will be disappointed. You are pretending we know NOTHING about the car in order to support your fantasy that Pontiac is going to charge premium dollars for the G8. MArk my words, the G8 will be substantially cheaper than any similar car except the 300/Charger. "xrunner2 has addressed this contention. " Actually he hasn't. What he has done is selected a FWD car with above average slalom speed and used it to say FWD cars handle better than RWD cars. On average, they do not. That is not to say NO FWD car can outhandle ANY RWD car, I never said that. We all know the TL or Mazda 3 handles better than the Town Car, but that doesnt mean FWD makes for a better sports sedan. The other thing is you guys are ignoring the power limitations of FWD chassis'. The TL will not be able to compete with the latest entry lux sedans power wise without going to AWD. 300hp is the limit on FWD cars and many feel that is way beyond what is sensible. "I'm willing to bet that I have had more experiences with both imports and domestics than you have had. " That is directly related to age. If you are older you probably have more experience with cars. Not sure how that is relevant but you may be 100% correct. honest criticism is well and good but there is little of that being dispensed by the Usual Suspects here. WHen you are going to criticize it's important to have a handle on the facts. Years of experience with car ownership doesnt make anyone a car expert. If you think the G8 is going to flop that is your opinion, but dont make assumptions about it's price, features and capabilities that are totally off base. Same goes for FWD vs RWD. If you dont mind FWD cars (neither do I) that is beautiful but don't state that FWD cars are better sports sedans when that flies in the face of common sense and accepted precedent. Its apparent you are not a C&D reader because they make it very clear that real sports sedans should be RWD.

Re: G8, Pontiac image [1487]

by grbeck on Wed Apr 25 09:33:04 PDT 2007

1487: I mistakenly assumed you actually knew something about the G8 since you had so much criticism of the car. The V6 engine was announced from the very beginning. Equipment levels are mostly known as well. A little advice here, 1487: you may want to brush up on your reading comprehension skills a tad. I have not criticized the car. I questioned whether a Pontiac can sell for this price, given the baggage carried by the brand. There is a difference. 1487: Thats exactly what I like to tell people who are constantly bragging about Toyota's sales gains. More models will ususally result in more sales and Toyota has been expanding its lineup in the US for the last 10 years or more. That's nice, but I wasn't talking about Toyota, so leave the red herrings in the ocean of your imagination, instead of trying to reel them into this debate. You use the same tactic - claiming a brand (Saturn in this case) had increased sales, without mentioning that those sales increases are because of new additions to the lineup. Let him who is without sin... 1487: I suppose you also thought the vette wouldnt be successful since its a Chevy that can cost $70k. YOu continue to complain about the G8's price when we dont even know its price. The Corvette is a different animal. It has the reputation to command those prices, because it is a known and respected vehicle. 1487: I suspect that FULLY LOADED the G8 will be around $34k or so. Unless your real name is Alison Dubois - or Patricia Arquette - I'll take that post with a great big grain of salt and wait for myself until the actual prices of the car and equipment are released. 1487: This is common knowledge. Audis are FWD/AWD and front heavy and Acuras are FWD except for the RL. The weight distribution in these cars cannot match RWD models from BMW and Cadillac. Audis and Acuras are more competent than Toyotas but any enthusiast magazine will confirm they are a step below the RWD sports sedans they compete against. You cannot honestly tell me you have never heard this before. I assure you Cadillac's RWD cars are every bit as capable as front heavy Audi or Acura models. It is laughable that you believe that Cadillacs RWD cars are lacking compared to FWD Accord-based Acura sedans. xrunner2 has addressed this contention. 1487: MOST buyers in this segment want RWD cars. Lexus, Cadillac, MB and BMW make RWD sports sedans in this class. Acura is the ONLY one that is making FWD luxury sports sedans. You forget Audi. 1487: When Cadillac was using FWD import fans blasted them constantly for not making a proper RWD platform. Most of them were mediocre vehicles, and Cadillac was pitching them in the next higher price class ($45-50,000). Different market. 1487: I can get flawless build quality and high speed stability in a Hyundai these days. Those qualities are hardly exclusive to expensive German cars. You sound like a BMW press release or something. LOL...if you believe that you are getting build quality and high-speed stability in a Hyundai that equals that of a BMW, the only thing you are getting is a bill of goods. I can tell the differences in build quality - panel fit, eveness of paint application, quality of the upholstery - just by walking around the respective vehicles. And go to Germany to see a BMW in action on the Autobahn. If you really believe that a Hyundai is just as smooth, quiet and stable at 90 mph - let alone 100+ mph, well... 1487: Or perhaps some people just thought the CTS was the best car for them. Undoubtedly so, but there are also people who prefer to buy domestic, and the CTS gave them an offering in this market. 1487: I always love it when self righteous import fans suggest that anyone who buys an American car must be doing so because they are patriotic idiots who are too stubborn to consider a superior foreign car. So you are telling me people who bought the CTS only did so because it was one of the few domestic luxury cars available and NOT because the car was competent in its own right. Okay, you obviously aren't Alison Dubois - or even Patricia Arquette - because your attempt at mind reading has failed miserably. I never said or inferred those things. You need to tone down the sensitivity level here. There is a difference between: a.) GM bashing; b.) offering concerns about a model's positioning in the market; c.) offering honest criticism. My wife and I own a 2003 Honda Accord EX sedan and a 2005 Ford Focus SE, and I am quite familiar with GM's offerings, as my parents have been loyal GM customers since 1968 (they currently own a 1999 Buick Park Avenue and 2002 Olds Bravada). I'm willing to bet that I have had more experiences with both imports and domestics than you have had.

Re: Resetting Nav? [joesacramento]

by odie6l on Sat Dec 02 09:15:32 PST 2006

I go on a few old logging trails to get to some prime fishing areas (includes forging through a few streams that are not to deep), plus some heavy duty mountain roads out near Punxy / Dubois / Clearfield PA when I go visit relatives, we also play around on some trails out there and go out to my uncle hunting cabin (I use a camera to hunt with, not a gun). Odie Odie's Carspace

Re: Closing out the 2005's [okwiater]

by firsts2k on Wed Oct 26 16:57:10 PDT 2005

I leased an '05 Silverstone Metalic in June and got the rack rate at the time - $299/mo. I did not take a hard line on negotiations because: 1. Peak drop top season. 2. Terms were reasonable, although as I read in this column, they could have been better. The dealer did throw in a Honda car cover and wheel locks. 3. I had test driven an '02 two weeks earlier and had to have one. I have owned numerous sports cars and sport sedans, but the S2K is a totally different driving experience. It is a great combination of handling, performance and style. If anyone is looking for a new, never titled '04, black on black Murray Honda, DuBois PA has one that can be bought right.

Re: price for 06 EX auto coupe [rws0131]

by disappoited on Sat Oct 01 11:09:42 PDT 2005

Murray Honda, DuBois Pa