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Picked my 2008 up yesterday !

by jimt2 on Tue Apr 08 17:31:50 PDT 2008

I just got my 2008 FEH Yesterday. I ordered it in late November - so about 5 months. I got a i4WD loaded with Nav, leather, moon roof, satellite, etc. In Black. AWESOME looking. In NJ these are hard to get. Very hard to get. I was told EVERY one goes to New York city- as the Mayor has mandated cab's be hybrids. He told me I got THE last one for 2008 and it came off the line just about 10 days ago. The price was the window sticker which matched the web list price. Not above, not below. I leased it because I like to get a new car every 3 years. The dealer in NJ was excellent overall- Verner Cadby- I recommend them. However, they REALLY discourage hybrid's because they are a pain to get and they have a lot full of regular ones-a lot cheaper. They were VERY clear when I ordered that it would be a 6 month wait AT LEAST- and they did it in 5. I bought it on faith and reading reviews- I did not test drive one first. So it's only my first day- I commute into New York City- and often park at train and bus stations. I sit in a lot of traffic. I then drive up steep and long hills in suburban NJ. Today- I was really impressed with the pick up on the highway. Better than I expected. So Day one it gets an A. We shall see over time ....

Re: markcincinnati [markcincinnati] How not Where

by footie on Tue Mar 08 18:05:18 PST 2005

Markcincinnati, It's not where things are made, it's how. The Toyota Production System is the most advanced automobile production system in existence. It's better than everybody else's no matter what. It doesn't mean that the cars they build will out accelerate, out-brake, or out-skid pad cars from Shelby, Lotus, Ferrari or fuel dragsters. But it does mean that their cars will be closer to their design intentions than anyone else's. They get it right more often and the cars stay right longer than any other brand in the history of the automobile business. You might not like the handling or the styling or the zero to 60 time, but if you are looking for a luxury vehicle that does what the manufacturer intended and that meets your needs, no one else is even close. It's because of 'how' they are made. It's not where it was designed or engineered, it's how the design and engineering is integrated with how it's made. The Mercedes ML is a classic example of dumping a lousy European manufacturing process into the US, absent a local supply chain, a poorly educated labor force, and being surprised at the result - a vehicle that embarrased Mercedes and it's customers and earned a continous "don't buy" rating from almost every rating service. Engineered in Germany for manufacture in Alabama. "Verner, cank you say uhal?" Volfgank asked. It's "how" you do things these days, not where you build them. Great car companies wouldn't think of throwing their processes, willy-nilly over the wall, and let a bunch of bubbas put them together without managing the 'how'. The 'how' from in Germany, is not the 'how' that makes good cars anymore. They are ok, but engineering isn't independent of the reproduction process in the factory or the problem remediation process. Great engineering is only good intentions, until it shows up on the road and actually works, all of the time. Wonderful styling can make you feel better, but when your wife can't get the zipper to work on the designer gown or the Groen faucet blows a leak in the handle, then you realize that you've been had by dreamers that can't turn their ideas into reality. But boy, their pricing will keep their marketing make you believe that a great fix is just around the corner.

looks are only skin deep

by sirknightd on Fri Apr 06 22:16:30 PDT 2001

I agree that the new trailblazer might look slightly better than the new explorer. That being said, I think the Explorer is a much better vehicle overall because of the IRS (independent rear suspension) I also like the third row seat, probably because i m a soccer dad If looks are really important,I think the Mountaineer looks nicer than the trailblazer The thing is there are so many vehicles on the road that i think are ugly, but others love them. So of course it would be senseless to argue over which vehicle looks the best. I dont agree that the Explorer resembles a minivan. I would have liked a more stylish design for the explorer...the new toyota suvs(Higlander and Sequoia) look nice as does the new montero..again ..my preferences. And about all these recalls...I won t argue that the manufacturers should test more before unleashing the product on to the public. But it would seem to me that when these defects arise, and recalls need to employed, that this must be very costly both monetarily and in reputation ....I suspect vehicles are so complicated today, that all the defects and design flaws may not be evident until they actually are driven by consumers. Even the vernerable Mercedes M class had lots of issues when it first debuted. I wouldnt recommend buying one of the first 15,000 vehicles of a new product run. Many wait until after the first model year. I dont know how long i will last before purchasing my new Mountaineer.

Nice theory, but

by denniswade on Sun Apr 01 13:53:46 PDT 2001

You neglect to mention that your analogy leaves out some important data, to wit: Herr Verner's effort is a diesel, and as such is a major polluter (thereby substituting a worse form of pollution for another); Mr. Metro's effort is a tiny urban crawler that will barely seater that can NEVER haul more than two people, is only available with a manual transmission and is rough and noisy; and Tommy-san's Prius is a true 5-passenger car with as good accomodations as any other car in its price category -- not to mention decent handling and braking (sorry, your opinion about the last two items is in the minority -- read the latest Autoweek and other reviews of the car). So: Considering the overall mission, I'd rank the cars thus: Toyota: A+ Honda: A- Volkswagen: B Suzuki: C

abbanat..Still a long way to go.

by boaz47 on Sun Apr 01 10:35:22 PDT 2001

I can appreciate the fervor some may have for the Prius, however there is a reason we don't tend to allow engineers to run our companies. They get fixated on an idea and fail to see when they do not meet our goals. Maybe if we stated it as a problem presented by an instructor in college. The assignment as stated in the beginning of this forum will be. Create a car that is affordable, fuel efficient, and preforms as close to a conventional car as possible. So Tommy Toyota, Henry Honda, Mark Metro, and Verner Von Volkswagen leave class and come back with their presentation to the instructor. Now Verner has designed a car that preforms pretty much like a conventional car, it can be massed produced passes present smog laws and gets very good on road milage. Mark Metro produces a car that is inexpensive, can be mass produced and gets very good milage, doesn't preform all that well but handles pretty much like a conventional car. Tommy Toyota produces a car that is expensive, gets pretty good gas milage, but the handling is suspect, doesn't get quite the gas milage as Verner's on the road. Henry Honda makes a car that is as pricy as Tommy's but gets much better fuel milage, as much as 20 mpg better, is 3 full seconds faster to 60 MPH, the handling is still a bit suspect. Now which car comes closest to meeting the instructors requirements? Is Tommy's car best in any of the required fields? No, yet the engineer will protest his c+ effort because he tried his best. If you substitute consumer for instructor you might see why some people might be skeptical of the idea that the Prius is the "most" technically advanced car in production. Some of us skeptics might even read about the cars we are skeptical about. Are any of the cars produced a true "solution" or are they simply a way to get the government off their back. Maybe that is a question for another forum. (The questionable handling on the Prius and Insight can be found in Motor Trend, January, 2001.

mikef150

by mikef150 on Mon Jun 15 21:32:10 PDT 1998

Rite3, No, I did not order from Meadowlands Ford...i decided to order from Verner-Cadby Ford....we've ordered vehicles through the dealership in the past, know a few people there, and its located right in my town....convenient for warranty work, should it be necessary!....but, no real preference over the two....i've heard meadowlands ford is a large volume dealer if that means anything...a lot of commercial trucks too...if that means anything. Mike