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Then give me the skinny on this one, cause I may buy another

by smu1976 on Sat Jun 07 19:32:58 PDT 2008

008 SAAB 9-3 Convertible 9-3 AERO CAB Exterior: White Interior: BLACK-PARCHMENT Original MSRP: $51,325 Luxury Sale Price: $41,995 Stock #: 1300 Mileage: 8 miles SAAB Downers Grove Luxury Motors Thats 20% quick round math, 20%, no negotiation needed, can you beat it Saabicp? Or because you can't you revert to the name calling of the consumer? Above, highest MSRP for any Saab they have in stock, this is a cut and paste anyone that can find this site can find this car? Go to Luxury.something, then click on the Saab logo. It's like buying a Saturn, but easier, the price is right on the Internet, so no running to the back room to talk to mystery man,or woman making me waste half my day. Playing all the numbers games and percents, like your post. Thats the TRUTH my friend, NOW lets see if you can be a good salesman and admit it? :surprise: Sometimes somebody changes the was business is done (Apple, Starbucks, McDonalds, etc.) and many can't understand, you call me a liar, say it is just a "story" (why would I want to do that)? It's because you don't take the time to do your homework and just verify the price, the dealer, etc. Look at the brands this Luxury dealership carries, Saab is the lowest end car and they are the only Saab dealership connected with Luxurydot, add it all up, then you can understand with margins on the other lines how it can be done and make money. I don't know, I see the price, the car is new, its a Saab dealership, why not buy it with 50K/4year warranty? Tell me?

Re: Aveo POS [busiris]

by poncho167 on Fri May 30 11:29:58 PDT 2008

You are never going to win an educated argument with me regarding how these foreign companies have killed the American economy. There is no North American content on the Monroney sticker unless that recently changed it. It has always been callled domestic content and yes the Cobalt is 80% domestic content like it or not. Toyota as I mentioned has a low domestic content of about 50%, that's a fact not a wish. According to you Toyota is also not showing their domestic content either by as you say "Cleverly, they don't show just the USA content, so many folks think its USA content alone." Toyota's domestic content is no different then Fords in how they advertise it. By law no one can conveniently alter a Monroney for self serving reasons. Domestic means it comes from the U.S. and Canada. Canada has been historically considered domestic content for over 60-years and we trade with them on a daily basis with over one billion dollars of goods. To your other comment "You will find many models at 50% or less." Ok, what Chevy models are you talking about, please name them. Here is another area you need to research because the only one with a small domestic content is the Aveo at 8% which most people recognize as foreign just like the previous Geo division. All other vehicles are around 75% or higher. You think by having a BMW or Nissan plant down the road is good for the economy? Well how do you think those jobs came to be? You said that GM is leaving this country to build elsewhere namely Mexico. Have you figured out why? Do you know that they are forced to do that to stay in business because of these Japanese companies using their artificially valued Yen have come here on the cheap and also brought with them outside suppliers that changed the way American companies do business. Have you heard that most all of the 100-2500 small employee companies mainly in Detroit have went out of business because they aren't price competitive. American companies were forced to use outsourced suppliers to stay in business because thats what Nissan, Toyota, etc., are doing. Have you ever thought about why an auto plant closes other than a model isn't popular. Do you think a new Japanese auto plant is a fair trade in American economics? Not even close. Toyota is famous for hiring part-time workers at low wages and no benefits and chose poverished areas to build plants. They are well known to avoid states with UAW's. When an American auto company tries to outsource more parts UAW goes on strikes. Have you heard of the recent American Axle strike? UAW also prevents further consolidation of auto plants and employees. Toyota doesn't have $3000-4000 per car taken off right off the top to pay for employee benefits. So what I am saying is that this is not good for our country. Have you thought of where that profit goes that Toyota makes? It goes back to Japan to their banking institutions. Our banks would love that money to stay healthy but that's not the case. An investiment in an auto plant with a couple billion dollars is nothing but a short-term investment and is basically a way to take big money from our economy with a few workers who benefited. It's not apple to apples im afraid.

Re: Aveo POS [jmystery]

by poncho167 on Mon May 26 05:13:22 PDT 2008

I see, GM is responsible to fix your squeeks and rattles? You bought a cheap econo car and you got what you paid for. The Corolla is a more up level car and is larger in size so you are not comparing apples to apples. Why didn't you get the sub-compact Yaris? Why did you decide not to support American companies and decide to jump on the Japanese bandwagon so quickly? If this happens to your Toyota are you going to come back to an American brand? You will probably find it exceptible then, right?

I’m still a believer in having the right tool for the job.

by jmonroe on Sun Mar 02 19:03:25 PST 2008

isell will probably get a kick out of this tale. Son #2 wanted to replace the rear brake pads on his 05’ Mazda 6 with a little over 40K miles. He has done the front pads on several of his cars over the years but always wants to come over to my garage for morale support and the use of my tools should something out of the ordinary pop up. I don’t have a problem with this and sometimes I learn something new and sometimes I might even be able to pass on a few pointers. Well, to back-seat the piston into the caliper on this car can’t be done with the traditional method of using a C-clamp. Once I saw machined V-grooves in the face of the piston I knew a special tool was needed. It wasn’t too difficult to envision that the tool had to have a couple pins about 1/8 of an inch in diameter about 3/4 of an inch apart to fit into the machined groves, but I didn’t have anything that would do the job without tearing the rubber boot on the piston. I knew better than to try to grab the 1/16 inch edge of the piston that protruded from the boot, with a pair of channel locks,. Years ago I heard of pistons on European and Japanese cars that had to be screwed back into the caliper and when I saw this piston I knew this had to be one of those types of cars. I said to my son we’re going to need a special tool to do this brake job and tried to explain to him what had to be done. He agreed but since it was mid day on a Sunday he said, “where do we get one of those today”? I told him that the auto parts close to me loans tools with no charge and since he bought the pads at that place on his way over, I told him to call and ask if they had what we needed. We must be living right because they said they have one loaner tool kit and it was just returned about a half hour earlier and it was available. When we got to the auto parts I asked the guy if they had the tool we needed for sale. He said that the single tool we needed only cost about $15 dollars (the kit had many pieces for doing brake work on many types of cars and costs about $120) but they were out of stock and they probably wouldn’t be getting one for a few days (maybe we ain’t living right after all). So, my Son left a deposit on his Visa that was fully refunded when he returned the kit. This job could not have been done without this special tool and even with the extra time spent going for the kit we still had the brake job done within an hour and a half. I guess the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree because my Son said, “it’s still more convenient for me to do this job myself (he already forgot about my help :confuse: ) than to take it somewhere to have it done and then go back to get it”. I wonder where he got that type of thinking? :surprise: I just thought of this, jipster has a Mazda. I wonder if he’s listening? :) jmonroe

Re: Changes [djm2]

by poncho167 on Wed Jul 04 06:40:37 PDT 2007

"I would like to see a 6 speed automatic transmission with a more powerfull engine. Before I purchased my 2007 Toyota Camry, I took the "top of the line" HHR out on a test drive. It did not have enough power to get into highway traffic safely. I was VERY disappointed with the performance of the vehicle. From an appearance point of view, this vehicle should have twin exhausts on it's rear, and maybe a little sound from the exhaust system. (Something to go along with it's image!) In addition, I would like to see more comfortable seats." Sorry, I have driven many different cars during my lifetime including several HHR's and this vehicle even with the standard 2.2 L engine has more than enough power. If fact my 1988 Pontiac Lemans(Daewoo) with its 74 hp was more than enough on the freeway. I usually out accelerated other drivers from the toll both into the main lane. Merging a vehicle into traffic for a good driver isn't about how fast your car well accelerate, its about being aware of the traffic and picking the right time and spot to get in. The HHR's quickness is no different than most any car with similar equipt engines. As far as plastic goes this vehicle has top quality plastic and really don't you think plastic comments are way over-rated. Who goes into their vehicle and runs their hands or face on plastic? Not meaning to be harsh but I don't think you are comparing apples to apples. Love the seats. It's been a rumor since the fall of 2006 that the HHR will get a more powerful engine for those speed freaks, and it was approved a couple months ago. Later this year the HHR will get a 260 HP 2.0 L Turbo Charged engine.

Re: Strategic Vision’s Total Quality Index™ (TQI) [oldguy70]

by poncho167 on Sat Jun 09 04:51:21 PDT 2007

I don't dismiss CR's information totally, just when it comes to auto's. I have read enough about their supposed car tests to know something is wrong. I don't just mean that it got one less dot in the ratings, I mean equal comparisons, apples to apples, when comparing similar models. I have noticed such obvious bias in their writers mentioning something they didn't care for in one model, but when another model has the same option (example-power window switches not on door) there is no mention of it, that is bad journalism. To base your scores on only those who subscribe to the rag is a disservice to the readers. Who knows why those people are responding; why aren't the other subscribers responding; what about demographics, income levels, no time to fill out form, etc. There needs to be a more legitimate way to base those dot scores. The people I know and myself included who have bought vehicles with supposed sub-par scores had no issues with their vehicle, but of course CR does. Go figure. As I mentioned before it doesn't surprise me at all that CR outsources some tests to other companies. The child safety seat evaluatin/debacle was a real low point for CR this year with them coming out and admitting to their outsourcing and the confusion/deception that occured with those seats.