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Re: - [boaz47]
by habitat1 on Thu Aug 23 02:52:37 PDT 2007
In the US easier is almost always considered better. Speak for yourself and/or the 30%+ of Americans that are obese. The only thing "easy" fast food is good for are keeping cardiologists and "plus size" clothiers fully employed. And "easy" to maintain vinyl siding and production building techniques has made our suburbs look like pitiful tract housing slums compared to the architecturally attractive neighborhoods of custom built stone, brick and stucco homes from the early 1900's. I could go on, but while many technological scientific advancements have significantly improved our quality of life, the quest for "easier" has led to some fairly detrimental consequences. We may disagree on manual vs. automatic transmissions, but I sure as hell hope as a parent you have/had the ability to distinguish between "easy" and "better". As in, better to read to and cook a real meal for your kids than easily plop them in front of a TV or drive them to McDonalds. America the Fat
Re: okay [akenaten]
by jmurman42 on Mon Apr 24 02:56:19 PDT 2006
Anyone can have horror stories...and ALL stories have two sides. Justifying my job or my occupation is as simple as this: Manufacturers dont sell directly to the consumer. The manufacturers have agents (dealers) and those agents "hire" people to sell. No different than Starbucks, clothiers, tire companies etc. Anyone who works for a living is either directly or indirectly involved with the sales process...unless you work for the government.
To Popinjay
by lycanthe on Tue Nov 18 13:21:10 PST 2003
What do we disagree about? If you got a truly good deal and the dealer made a truly fair profit, how is it that did you not gather that this was exactly what I was purporting? I don't think a dealer should expect sticker price for a vehicle, but neither should the buyer expect to pay invoice. A car is not like "anything else that can be negotiated" for a number of reasons. First of all, if I buy something, yes I do want the seller to make a profit, but I'm biased because of the business I'm in. YOU might not care, but I do and that's another point I'm making. Also, a house is a pretty unique thing. There is only one that has the same design and is in the same location. There might be an identically designed one up the street, but you might not like the grade of the landscape. With a car, you can buy the EXACT same model from as many dealers as you are you're willing to visit, for the most part, so using a house as a comparison doesn't really support your point. I think the "add-ons" and the other sleazy behavior are main parts of the reasons many people don't care about whether the sales consultant makes anything significant, and I can't honestly say I blame the consumer; they have been on the bad side of the abuse for decades. Finally, consider that you HAVE paid huge profits to others whenever you have bought anything, from clothing to bedsheets to electronic products to dishes. The thing about cars is that you KNOW UP FRONT what the car cost the dealer, and with these other items you have no idea. I'm sure you didn't even worry what the clothier or the TV maker made on the deal, so not worrying that the sellers made a fair profit had nothing to do with your being able to buy a 40k SUV. Those are completely unrelated concepts. Again, I'm not blaming the consumer alone; the dealerships are responsible too. I'm not defending or browbeating either one, I'm just speaking as one in the middle who would like to see things done better on both sides.
Urban Myth?
by xccoachlou on Mon Dec 30 05:06:27 PST 2002
Landru, I have only bought 3 new cars in the last 19 years, and gone with my brother when he bought his 2. I've also gone with a few friends when they were shopping. Usually, by the time I buy, my cars are 7-8 years old. Usually, salesmen just cringe when my mention my trade. :) But yes, I have overheard that. Whether it was a comment directed at my brother and his old putt-putt mobile, and/or one of my friends, I can not tell you. It may have even been at the dealsership when I was getting my car serviced. Zues, thanks for the reply. As clothier Sy Syms says, "An educated consumer is our best customer." :) - Lou
"Snob"
by jwilson1 on Wed Dec 12 17:35:13 PST 2001
riez, the rap in my area is that BMW owners are yuppies (I don't recall the new word) looking to display their good fortune in last year's market, or that drivers are 'arrogant.' Unfortunately, except for this board, my experience both with the local dealer and with drivers supports that point of view. The drivers who frequent the same golf course are, I guess, overly enthusiastic and spend as much time talking about their "Bimmers" as my mother does showing off pictures of her grandkids. And on the road (I'm going to say a sexist thing here, apologies), platinum blond debs and shoppers of high-priced clothiers seem loathe to drop their nose and turn their head before turning in front of people, as in "You wouldn't dare...." Finally, the local dealer has a reputation of 'profiling' shoppers and certainly doesn't have salesmen I'd like to be friends with. And yeah, I've always steered clear of BMW for the image problem, but then a friend of mine who I respect for lots of auto-related reasons, bought one. And then I drove one. And so the heck with anybody who doesn't like me when I finally can get it. Small minds are always a problem; the real issue here is a lack of experience -- if someone drives it (any model of sedan or topless from 2 to 5 seats) they'll love it, at least if they're not absolutely committed to the ride in their Town Car. Take care. Joe W.

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