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Re: Interest rate at Milton Martin Toyota in Gainesville,GA [megcor]

by muz2 on Fri Sep 26 06:46:25 PDT 2008

Hi, I have had a very bad experience with these guys. They cannot fulfill their false promises after you buy a vehicle from them. I have lost a lot of sleep over the crap that I have to deal. They sold me a jeep (piece of junk) and tricked me into paying rediculous price telling me how they have hundreds of thousands of dollars which is just allocated to serving customers in case something goes with it right after the purchase. They now will not help me and my jeep is falling apart part by part. They told me that they have spent 2500 dollars for servicing it in their shop but apparently they did not even clean it before they gave it to me. After they got my money they attempted to clean it by investing 5 minutes into it. I opened the hood and dicovered gunk and bunch of grease. I showed it to the guy who sold this to me. That was the first time they pissed me off. That shows how much they care about you once they lay their hands on your money. I am still struggling with them since I discovered that my starter gave up as soon as I got home. Then I discover severe damage and cracked doors and broken welds on the doors. Also a lot of rust. I am jsut wondering what did they spend theat 2500 dollars on. I do not even see a single screw replaced. The dash is cracked, the rubbers around the doors are craked and water goes into the doors which damaged the panels. I washed the jeep and noticed water on the carpet. I took it to the body shop and they gave me 2600 dollar estimate. I just feel cheated as people made promises to me over the phone when i told them this. Later they backed off and said we never said that we will take care of this. I wish I had recorded that conversation. I do not know how they can sleep at night after they screw many innocent customers/citizens all day long. My advice is to take a print out of this and show it to them and then walk away. Also, stay away from Milton Martins. Thank you

Re: WIPERS [purplecar]

by miltrich on Mon Sep 22 18:42:39 PDT 2008

my daughters 96 sc2 is having same problems. wipers intermittently turn on. Come on at starting of car, won't go off. Did you ever find a fix? THANKS MILTON

Re: Why blame the UAW [dallasdude1]

by duke23 on Fri Aug 01 18:35:58 PDT 2008

dallasdude1: Great post ! Actually I consider myself a libertarian. Which translates in to ultimate personal freedoms but staunch fiscal conservatism. The by law is that that which governs least governs best. We're a confusing breed. Conservatives love us because we place high value on personal responsability, believe in living within your means, are anti big government and demand that all debts be paid with no government assistance. Liberals love us because we could give a s**t whether you're gay, believe in abortion, want stem cell research and desire to help the lowest casts of American society. Quote on, of the " Big Milt Himself " For I am indeed a follower of the University of Chicago school of thought and a monetarist. Though now deceased he would never have been a candidate for Fed Chief since he advocated abolishing the Fed 25 years ago and raising the money supply a few percent and adjusting there after. His opinion of current Fed action was that it was like going to a target range, shooting at targets in the dark and later turning on the lights to see if you hit anything. RIP Milton Friedman

Re: Why blame the UAW [duke23]

by dallasdude1 on Fri Aug 01 15:47:05 PDT 2008

The word liberal is in my vocabulary, go ahead and get it out Duke my friend. Liberal means you are a partisan of liberty in it’s social, political and economic forms. If that is a disease let it spread! Our founding fathers were liberals in the John Locke vein, who prized liberty over tradition, opposed concentrated power, and thought we should fear our government more than revere it. Adam Smith was a liberal, who understood that free trade and freedom were intertwined, and that while supporting steel tariffs might help you win votes in Pennsylvania, it distorts prices and ultimately steals from consumers to “pick winners” rather than letting markets decide. John Stuart Mill was a good liberal, describing the threat of popular opinion as being as much a tyranny as any King on a throne and arguing that people should be free to engage in whatever behavior they wish as long as it does not harm others. Now I get it that you are out to bash folks who’ve taken the liberal tradition and remixed it in ways you don’t approve, but that is no reason to take down a perfectly good word and misuse it. I hate to see you lined up with abusing language. Orwell wrote about how language would be manipulated to reduce the ability to ever speak the truth. That is what is happening to that word. People misuse liberalism as a slander to attack what they actually practice (that’s what you are doing) and others misuse it as a cover for statism or other types of collectivism (I think that is the disease you are after) but that doesn’t change the meaning of liberalism or the tradition it represents. Saying Americans “masses” don’t understand this usage is insulting. First their are no “masses”: just individuals who all have the means to learn what the word means and the tradition values. To give up on the proud tradition of liberalism and start using it as a slander is a mistake. You cut yourself off form the liberal tradition and make it that much harder to describe its values accurately to others. Don’t help build an Orwellian lexicon where “liberal” means something bad instead of something good. This is updownism. It’s a misuse of language that is beneath intelligent discourse. Liberalism is not ancient rhetoric – the issues liberals support are as pressing today in the fight for liberty around the world as it was when liberalism came ashore on the New World. There is certainly nothing conservative about fighting wars to protect human rights and institute democracy. It’s classic liberal radicalism of the Tom Paine variety that believes humans weren’t born with saddles on their backs to be ridden by others (apologies for mixing a paine reference and a jeffersonian image, but it helps the larger point). From what I’ve read, you are a classical liberal. It’s not semantics that is the issue – it’s philosophy, history, and ideas I care about. I don’t like seeing people mangle a political tradition – be it a socialist who believes in “social liberties” but not economic ones, or a modern day “conservative” who too often doesn’t recognize the source of their own liberal beliefs, and too often sleepwalks into mixing social conservatism (morality politics) with a lazy attitude toward protecting individual liberties (like the truly Orwellian named “patriot” act). Milton Friedman makes clear what is wrong with your use of the term “liberal” in the first chapter of Capitalism and Freedom. And Friedman may be ancient himself, but his explanation of classical liberalism is eminently relevant today. This idea that the term is archaic is asinine. It may not work on talk radio, but any educated person ought to know what liberalism actual refers to (though few actually do). As I tried to point out, it is eminently relevant in an age of liberal military adventurism where we are actively pushing back conservative regimes abroad to try and advance liberal values like free markets, free elections, and human rights. I’m with you on what is terrible about the Orwellian use of language, but you are doing it yourself by framing liberalism as a boogie man. You are trying to make white mean black and trying to blame it on the “masses” or mainstream usage is such a cop out. Step out of the matrix. Sure, you and George Will may want to conserve the nation’s liberal tradition, but you are no conservative in the traditional sense of the word. I know of a caliph or two who has a rather conservative outlook on the world, and it is pretty obvious you aren’t supporting his side in this global battle. It is too bad that people talk about politics at a Rush Limbaugh level and abuse language by turning liberal into a bad word. I don’t think it takes us very far toward understanding the world around us. John Kerry and George Bush agree on far more issues than they disagree on – they represent the left and right wing of “American liberalism” – and to my mind, represent a sad chapter in the rather exhausted story of “American liberalism”, where neither is above supporting tariffs or takings when expedient or curbing liberty when political popular. But if you aspire to keep company with folks who read Friedman and understand what he is talking about, you need to come to terms with the fact that liberalism isn’t the sickness you are claiming it is. It’s more like the cure. I would like to move Liberals to a more classical and orthodox Liberal philosophy, something within the spirit of those early Republicans who strove for the abolition of slavery.

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by marsha7 on Thu Jul 10 17:55:29 PDT 2008

Most of Atlanta, esp the wealthy areas, have been subsidizing the downtown corruption since the 1970s...cities have tried to incorporate and separate from Atlanta, but the state Democrats would not allow it, since they are the ones who corrupted downtown... Then we elected a Republican governor, and the House and Senate went Repub 2 years later...voila...Sandy Springs and Milton are now separate cities, as the citizens were allowed to vote, and boy, did they separate fast...2 more cities, Dunwoody and Johns Creek will probably become cities shortly... When Sandy Springs voted "out" of Atlanta, Atlanta screamed that they lost 70 million in tax revenue...they will lose more as more suburban cities break away... Yes, your supposition is correct...it all comes down to one group not wanting to pay to support the other group that refuses to work...it will always come down to that...

2007 Pacifica Is it a Lemon, Transmission, Torque Converter

by bigarmy25id on Thu May 08 10:24:53 PDT 2008

I bought my 2007 Pacifica Touring 6spd 4 Liter in January of this year. It had 9,000 mi. on it and a 36,000 mi Warranty. Power train only comes with 08 models of first time buyers. I started experiencing problems shortly after purchase. I bought it in VA but now live in Ga. I took it to Milton Ruben Motors a five star dealer on JAN 22 at 10844 mi. with complaints of harsh shifting at 15-25MPH and harsh down shift at 30-25MPH. They Reprogrammed PCM with Stars can B. Also they found ck fluid and added ¾ qt. no leaks found. Took it back on FEB 15 at 11571 mi. They put a new isolator engine mount. They also put that FRT Center Torque Mount is cracked said they installed new one but I don’t see how that is possible since I am now asking them to put a new one on and they act like it has to come from California. Funny because I had to fight the Manager on the phone for an hour to order this. Took back to Milton Ruben on FEB 21 at 12687 mi. Looked for TSB found TSB 21-016-07 which is now updated to TSB 21-010-08.They keep test driving flashing PCM and saying problem is fixed. I would pick my vehicle up and get down the road realizing that it still wasn’t fixed. Then I drove back to VA took it to Billy Craft Chrysler on MAR 27 with 14352 mi. where I bought this lemon. They did DRB III Scan tool, updated PCM found Loss of Communication with NGC Module tried to rewrite but couldn’t. They said they would have to order a part but my leave was up and I had to go back to Ga. Took to Milton Ruben of Augusta Ga. On APR 1 with 14825 mi. They put a Module Memory Seat Control in it. Problem still there. I was angry and made an appointment with the Service Manager and Transmission Tech the next day. They both rode with me acknowledging the problem verbally while not putting anything on paper. They told me it was a characteristic. I said ok get me a similar car with same engine, miles, year etc. They only had an 08 with low miles but same engine. We both tried but with no prevail to make the 08 act up. Perfect shifting as far as I was considered. The Service Manager then tried to talk me into trading my Pacifica. I thought why I would do that when you can’t even fix this problem with an 07. They will only give me $14,000 trade in and I owe $19,999 on payoff after I had put $3,000 down when purchased. What a laugh. The Service Manager said they would contact Corporate to seek opinion on what to do. They called me the next day said Corporate said it’s just a characteristic of the Pacifica and they couldn’t explain why it doesn’t do it on all Pacificas. I have contacted Chrysler Customer Service three times and they are no help won’t even return phone calls. I then took it Augusta Dodge on APR 15 at 15675 mi. for second opinion. They couldn’t find a fault code therefore no problem right. Maybe if I had just fallen off the turnip truck yesterday I would believe them but they all refuse to acknowledge or fix the problem and even when they do they say well maybe it’s a characteristic. Bull!! I then took it to Triangle Dodge in South Carolina at request of a friend who said they were the best. Drove the vehicle 40 mi. to this dealer dropped off on MAY 2 at 16448 mi. they test drove forty miles and were just like all the others. I was hot and angry talked to the Service Manager who was looking through the paper work and was shocked that most of the paper work wasn’t on the Chrysler world system. He found that Milton Ruben of Augusta had diagnosed the problem as a TC but no TC billed to Chrysler Warranty. Hmm He told me to take it back to them order the part and potentially fix this problem. Called my tech guy at Milton Ruben he said sure bring it in. Then I called back to make sure they had the part and parts said they would have to order from CA. but needed permission from Manager. Thats when me and the Service Manager got in an argument. He wanted me to bring it back in so they could evaluate it again. I told him I have given you guys enough chances to evaluate. I was even in there shop a whole week once. He said he didn’t think it was the TC. We argued I threatened a law-suit and then he said he would order the part and give me a call when it gets in. While studying this website I found that Chrysler had a problem with TC built on or before DEC. 15 2006. What a coincidence mine was built on OCT 06. Hmm It is TSB 21-002-07 REV. B Thanks for your time and I hope I spare some fortunate soul with similar problems.