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Re: Let's inject... [grbeck]
by xrunner2 on Tue Nov 18 09:02:58 PST 2008
But if the government really wants to save GM, it should turn it over to a foreign company - preferably Toyota - and give said company carte blanche to make the changes necessary to right the ship. Would that need a chapter 11? Have to imagine that the corporate culture of a Toyota, Honda or Nissan is very different from GM. The GM workforce, without a union, and first level supervision maybe could be trained into that culture. Top and middle management would have to be replaced similar to a new U.S. President's administration such as what Obama and Emanuel are now doing. Obama is bringing in his people, but of course retaining apolitical career government employees and grunts. Is there any way that elements of top/middle management at Toyota, Honda and Nissan could be induced to join a Phoenix GM? What a challenge. This would be like a head coach of a Super Bowl Team leaving it and taking over the worst team in the NFL with aspiration to build it into a Super Bowl contender.
Other workers in hard times
by xrunner2 on Tue Nov 18 08:03:36 PST 2008
Before I would bailout UAW members and their companies, how about the other Americans out of work. Through the decades, workers in the building trades have always had to cope with recessions on their own. Some of these are carpenters, drywallers, roofers, heavy equipment operators, etc. Mostly they are resilient and adaptable. UAW workers have been shielded from reality by Big 3 management capitulation to ridiculous union demands.
Re: UAW contract... [kdhspyder]
by kernick on Tue Nov 18 08:00:43 PST 2008
the UAW don't have to do one single thing. Sure the union and management can continue to fight each other; fighting over thloot while the ship sinks. The management doesn't have to change their pay or cut divisions, or sell anything. They can choose to do nothing, and kill their business. Or they can get together and make the tough decisions on what gets cut to turn their business around to profitable tomorrow, not next year. They can decide to rip up their old contracts and write new ones today!! There's nothing stopping them from changing their own rules; but it's easy to keep their rules and ask the taxpayer for help, isn't it? They can save themselves if they want.
Re: Steve...... [rockylee]
by xrunner2 on Tue Nov 18 07:52:52 PST 2008
I refuse to support any politician who's econimic agenda is more FREE TRADE !!! Why should these union folks be asked to give up their modest pension and health benefits ??? Why don't you ask your elected leaders to address these issues ??? I know one of your elected leaders in Ohio, Dennis Kucinich is very anti NAFTA, GATT, WTO Heard that today's New York Times is recommending that Congress should approve the Bush proposed Treaty with Columbia. Times being the bible of the liberals and Democrats, will Congress now obey the Times and approve the Treaty? Remember that U.S. organized labor has up to this time opposed this Treaty and has Pelosi/Reid in their pocket.
Re: This is not something that blew up overnight [steve_]
by jimbres on Tue Nov 18 07:33:17 PST 2008
Good article, Steve. Although I'm not a big fan of unions, I don't blame the UAW for the current mess. At one time, the Big Three knew how to build cars that excited buyers. Then they stumbled & stopped doing that, so buyers went elsewhere. That's not the fault of the UAW.
This is not something that blew up overnight
by steve_ on Tue Nov 18 07:21:33 PST 2008
"As has been said many times as the domestic auto industry continues its frenetic unraveling, there's plenty of blame to go around, and a portion of it lies with the unions. The United Auto Workers has rarely been out of the conversation of what's ruined Detroit Inc., but arguments centered on the notion that fat, uncompetitive unionized labor is the root cause of Detroit's ills are specious - and little more than an excuse for some good-old-fashioned union-bashing." Yeah or Nay on Bailout, But Don't Blame Detroit's Problems Only on Labor (AutoObserver)

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