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Re: Facts, rather than claims [zehop13]
by texases on Mon Nov 03 12:54:02 PST 2008
Please, tell me more. I do not want to watch a youtube, I want you, or anyone, to explain to me how Newton was so wrong. So, just so I understand 100%, you're claiming that a car crossed the country on 22 gallons of water, no gasoline at all, correct? Of course, if you really want to know about this covicted fraudster, just read this:MeyerBio
Re: Facts, rather than claims [texases]
by zehop13 on Mon Nov 03 12:35:26 PST 2008
Newton's Conservation of Energy Law has been proven wrong by Stanley Meyer over 20 years ago and has become widely known. Many scientists have openly agreed with these discoveries and Peter Lindemann goes into great detail as to how this energy is acquired through what Stanley Meyer had discovered. There is also a documentary one can find on Stanley Meyer if you look for it. In the film he has a HHO only running car that could travel from San Francisco to New York on 22 gallons of water. Peter Lindemann Lecture http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HjIyxEvAYM Another Lecture http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGp7hMUXjmI&feature=related
Re: global warming a croc [kernick]
by avalon02wh on Sun Nov 02 17:02:14 PST 2008
Try these links: Molten Earth core vs Solar contribution of energy "The simple answer is that the temperature of the earth's core has nothing to do with the presence of the sun. " http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=29757 Neutrino flux measurements from the Earth's core (see kamLAND) show the source of about two-thirds of the heat in the inner core is the radioactive decay of 40K, uranium and thorium. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convection http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/env99/env087.htm "As you guessed, the earth's interior would have cooled off by now if there weren't some source of energy. That source happens to be radioactive decay of elements such as uranium. This process continually heats the earth, and does not defy the second law of thermodynamics."
Re: Calculated vs Car figures [prius2007]
by kdhspyder on Wed Oct 29 10:36:59 PDT 2008
Further on your point one has to be aware of the 'forest and trees' concept. Watching each and every tank average on the MFD is not really useful for all the reasons that you noted above. It is a best an indicator. The only real values that should be used are miles driven / gallons pumped. Nothing else matters. Due to variabilites beyond our control from the gas station to the fuel tank/bladder to the outside environment watching one tank or another is far too specific ( looking at a tree ) to have any concern. Only after accumulating a sufficient amount of data can one really determine what the vehicle truly is using in fuel. This will take a year or two ( the forest ). And the result will be be about 47-48 mpg. A couple of other important suggestions: 1. Short trips are death on fuel economy. You can see this on your MFD every day that you drive. Look at the first 5 min bar on the CONSUMPTION screen. It will almost always be 25-35 mpg. THIS is the anchor that is holding down your average fuel economy. Having to overcome this first 5 min of relatively inefficient driving brings down your daily/weekly average. DON'T TAKE SHORT TRIPS!!!!! 2. DON'T STOP - EVER!!!! This may seem ridiculous but no vehicle can overcome Newton's First Law of Physics. Succinctly a body at rest will remain at rest unless a superior force overcomes it's inertia. When you come to a stop light or stop sign normally you will stop the vehicle. It takes a huge amount of energy to get the vehicle rolling again. That energy always comes from the ICE through burning fuel. Now some of it may have been stored in the battery previously so it's the stored energy that first gets you rolling away from a light but all that does is deplete the battery quickly such that the ICE has tokick in sooner and replace the used energy in the battery reserve. You will likely get your best fuel economy on a 30-60 min trip where you never have to stop and you must keep to driving at about 35 mph due to traffic or to road laws. I've averaged 65 mpg for such a 50 mi trip. 93,000 miles with a lifetime average of 2.1 gpc used ( 47.9 mpg ).
Re: Mileage top 10% are getting... Gabe [jimrey28]
by kdhspyder on Fri Jul 18 15:20:43 PDT 2008
Hi Jim, One of the key limitations in fuel economy that very very few know is that short trips are death on fuel economy for all vehicles. This is clearly stated on the EPA site www.fueleconomy.gov and most vehicle makers know it but it's rarely explained to the driving public. Why should it have been in past years? Fuel was cheaper than dirt. Now it isn't. As you can see from your own experience 5 min trips are horrible on FE. All vehicles will lose about 20+% from their 'nominal averages'. This is one reason why CR gets so low ratings when they do their own FE tests. As to your question about the battery only driving, the actual number is 41 mph. There are long technical discussions on this subject over at PriusChat.com. Essentially the 'sweet spot' for the HSD vehicles is about 35 mph; i.e. just about normal for city driving. However..... BIG HOWEVER.... you must have a well charged battery in order to gain the most benefit from this. If you come out in the morning and jump in and drive 5 min that's not enough time to charge up the battery. It takes about 8-12 min of continuous driving. After that when you are in the 35 mph range the battery/e-motor can power the vehicle pretty far and pretty often. Also another very common misconception is that 'stop and go' traffic is good for HSD vehicles. Actually stop-and-go driving is bad for all vehicles. The laws of physics ( Newton ) cannot be overwritten; An object at rest...... It takes a lot of energy inputs to get a 3000# vehicle up and rolling even at low city speeds. Try to avoid stopping if at all possible while being safe. Try the UPS solution.
2008 Odyssey EX
by persamp on Mon Oct 06 14:02:15 PDT 2008
Just before the end of the month, I purchased a Baltic Blue EX (no other options) for $21,891 + TTR from Honda Village in Newton. Other area (Boston Area) quotes were similar. Doc fee was 299 and Title/plates were $75. I used Edmunds service to get quotes from 5 local dealers - all but 1 came in under $24k (including destination charge) for the EX.

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