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Re: And the BIG question is... [texases]

by pappysway on Sun Oct 19 15:41:41 PDT 2008

Whoa there txases, didn't mean to rustle your feathers buddy. Differences of opinion are really quite respected. Peabrained accusations from the uninformed however are not. You know, there were a lot of negative people just like you trying to convince Orville and Wulbur that they couldn't get it up. Man it's a good thing the brothers didn't pay attention to the likes of you, otherwise Boeing wouldn't be building the DreamLiner today. Firstly, not once did I represent the illiusion that anything is for free. Vehicles are equipped with alternators that generally do have more capacity available than is actually required with all systems functioning. Electrolysis does require voltage and amperage, about the same amount required to run your high beams. I'll spend that for more mpg any day. Your other claims may be pretty much on target were the subject simply gasoline related, but we're discussing the topic of Hydrogen/Oxygen suplementation here. Hydrogen/Oxygen vapor is not gasoline nor is it diesel fuel nor does it bahave in the same manner. HHO is a mixture of mon-atomic and di-atomic hydrogen and oxygen in a 2:1 hydrogen to oxygen ratio. So there are four molecules which are mixed in varying ratios; H hydrogen, O oxygen, H2 di-hydrogen and O2 di-oxygen. But all in all, in the mixture there are always two hydrogen atoms for every one oxygen atom. When the mixture has very little mon-atomic hydrogen and oxygen and a spark or flame is presented, there is the typical violent di-atomic hydrogen explosion. This is because the breaking of the bonds in the di-atomic gasses requires energy and the energy comes from the atomic energy of the reaction itself. There is so much heat, so fast, that there is a violent expansion, or explosion. Once the explosion has happened, it is followed immediately by an implosion; because the split atoms are mon-atomic and can now combine to form water. When the HHO Gas mixture is mostly mon-atomic, then the atoms simply implode to form water. No atomic bonds need to be broken so no self-propigation energy is needed. The potential atomic energy is released in a random fashon if not directed, as in a flame. In order to work on a piston engine, the fuel-air mixture needs to burn at a speed faster than the piston is moving. Low hydrogen flame speed is at a disadvantage as compared with most other gaseous fuels. For comparison, a gasoline-air mixture has a flame front speed that ranges typically from 70 up to 170 feet/second in IC engines, while an ideal hydrogen-air mixture has a flame front speed of about 8 feet/second. An average vehicle engine rotating at 2,000 rpm (33 revolutions per second) produces piston linear speed of 45 feet/second in the midstroke, which is already 5 times faster than the hydrogen flame front speed ! The fact that a hydrogen-air mixture has a flame front speed of about 1/10 that of a gasoline-air mixture contributes to explain why hydrogen engines only run at reduced power and low rpm under load. However, the detonation mode is extremely rapid and totally removes this limitation to hydrogen. Detonation at the TDC is not followed by a long confinement time. Furthermore, because the pressure pulse is 15 to 30 times shorter at the top dead center, detonation invariably occurs there, and because compression occurs late after the intake is done, it does not easily backfire. H2 and O2 are not the only gasses in the air mix. The burn speed, not the flame front, the burn speed is many times faster than gasoline and you can prove it to yourself. Make a ziplock baggie full of HHO gas and ignite it in your garage. Watch how fast it blows the windows out. Please contact MIT and inform their science department that there is no such thing as hydrogen implosion and they are liars: http://www.physorg.com/news123424080.html You may as well go ahead and contact NASA and let them know that they are also liars and their findings on Emissions and total Energy consumption of a multi-cylinder piston engine running on gasoline and a hydrogen-gasoline mixture are nothing but lies: http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19770016170_1977016170.pdf A crude visual of hydrogen implosion. Must be trick photography: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkrCCo4Q0cI&feature=related Arvin Meritor, an $8 Billion a year comapany is investing heavily in a Hydrogen On-Demand Fuel Supplement unit: http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Arvinmeritor+pursues+a+different+hydrogen+strategy- -a0122376702 http://www.arvinmeritor.com/media_room/render_news.asp?message_id=000000001A4473- 90AA6611CD9BC800AA002FC45A0900CEE5ADC7AA9FD411A2F20008C791E019000000011D500000CE- E5ADC7AA9FD411A2F20008C791E01900000001737F0000 Ronn Maxwell and former Dell, Inc. executive Adrian Pylypec, near Austin, are manufacturinging a $150'000.00 eco sports car with Hydrogen On-demand and with a reported 40 mpg: http://www.ronnmotors.com/cms/ Please contact these folks and tell them they are making huge mistakes and they've been lied to and HHO On-Demand is a lie and won't work before they make any further expensive mistakes! Oh, and please DON'T tell my Tahoe I lied and it's not supposed to get any better fuel efficiency off HHO, it keeps on doing it, so it must not be aware that it can't. Here is a synopsis of a sampling of research that has been done on Hydrogen supplementation in the IC engine, not just experiments or studies in progress: In 1974 John Houseman and D.J/Cerini of the Jet Propulsion Lab, California Institute of Technology produced a report for the Society of Automotive Engineers entitled "On-Board Hydrogen Generator for a Partial Hydrogen Injection Internal Combustion Engine". In 1974 F.W. Hoehn and M.W. Dowy of the Jet Propulsion Lab, prepared a report for the 9th Inter Society Energy Conversion Engineering Conference, entitled "Feasibility Demonstration of a Road Vehicle Fueled with Hydrogen Enriched Gasoline." In the early eighties George Vosper P. Eng., ex-professor of Dynamics and Canadian inventor, designed and patented a device to transform internal combustion engines to run on hydrogen. He later affirms: "A small amount of hydrogen added to the air intake of a gasoline engine would enhance the flame velocity and thus permit the engine to operate with leaner air to gasoline mixture than otherwise possible. The result, far less pollution with more power and better mileage." In 1995, Wagner, Jamal and Wyszynski, at the University of Birmingham UK, Engineering, Mechanical and manufacturing, demonstrated the advantages of "Fractional addition of hydrogen to internal combustion engines by exhaust gas fuel reforming." The process yielded benefits in improved combustion stability and reduced nitrogen oxides and hydrocarbon emissions. Roy MacAlister, PE of the American Hydrogen Association states the "Use of mixtures of hydrogen in small quantities and conventional fuels offers significant reducti

Re: overwhelming approval [gagrice]

by rockylee on Mon Nov 12 18:28:14 PST 2007

You keep forgetting they are hired by the board of directors. That is a rank and file similar to a union. The board of executives of a large firm are basically a small union. The best example I can give to back my position was with Dr. K and GM's board. ;) They showed him that Dr. K was not in charge !!!!! :P How many $million plus executives do you think Ford has? Annual salary over a million probably a couple of dozen ???? I know my father boss who was a ground level supervisor was making well into the six digits. The guy who was second in command was at $167K ( if memory is correct) and the plant manager was over $200K. Delphi, Coopersville hired a college graduate from Kettering with more degrees than the sun and paid him something like $576,000 and the guy played computer games because they had nothing for him to do. He finally quit because he was bored. :surprise: That is the type of incompetent leadership I'm talking about. ;) I would be surprised if more than 10 executives make a million plus per year. Perhaps, but it wouldn't surprise me. I also wouldn't be surprised at all if you could put another zero behind that 10 who make more than $200,000 ;) There are thousands of mid level managers making under $200k per year. Ummm I guess that depends on what you consider mid level ???? That is not that far removed from the UAW members. They also have to live at the plants to make that kind of money. My step-dad is skill-trades and has worked some over-time and won't get close to six-figures so I'm not sure how you figure ???? :confuse: I think Ford suffered from too many family members being involved. Bill Ford Jr was not very impressive to me. Yet with his connections to the board he got himself in the top seat. You and I will never be given those opportunities. Some things you are born to. Some make it to greatness all on their own. Hard to think of many in the last 30 years. Maybe Ted Waitt, Michael Dell, Larry Page and Sergey Brin. I agree with all of that gagrice, but the simple fact and my point of my arguement was that nobody is publicly holding these executives accountable for the failures at the company. All I keep hearing is the UAW, workersbetterswallow this poison pillor else !!!! They might be correct but it kills me nobody is looking at how they arrived at the trash compactor. :sick: There are not many that went from rags to riches working at a Union Job. a Union job is to be assigned to middle class mediocrity. I know as I am one. Well I don't know your childhood to know if you went from rags, but riches compared to most folks many might argue. ;) -Rocky

Re: There is a fix.... [jgmilberg]

by rockylee on Wed Apr 25 02:38:01 PDT 2007

You bought a car that has Onstar, now the technology has changed and the system you have won't work after 12/31/07 and somehow it's GM's fault?!! What happened when the cassette player was outdated, did Panasonic give you a CD player because they stopped making cassettes? Did Sony going to give you a new Plasma TV because CRT TV's are obsolete? Did Dell give you a new computer because your old one was too slow? Why do you expect this to be any different? Technology changes, and you have to change with it or be left in the dust. jgmilberg, Great way to put it !!! ;)

Re: [2zmax]

by kdhspyder on Thu Feb 23 12:57:34 PST 2006

Loss of major industries and manufacturing decline. Rapid increase of trade deficit and under-employment. You still have the nerve to tell us that it is business as usual? Where the heck are you living Pal? You and your friends keep saying this but there is no decline or loss of industry in the US auto market - it just moved. It's still here it just doesnt employ the same people. In fact the auto production in NA is 40% larger than it was in 1985. It's a fact, auto production is booming and you wont accept it. I do recognize and have said many times here that there will be losses and dislocations in certain areas but other areas will benefit. Life here has always been this way since the Insustrial Revolution in the 1800's. There is nothing surprising to this. It has made us stronger because we've had to adjust and grow more creative. That is the strongest part of the American way of life. Nearly all of the major advances in the last 100 years have come from NA in the form of one person or small group taking a chance and changing the world. Think, Ford, Edison, Bell, General Electric, Wright Bros, Dell, IBM, Micsoft, Intel and on and on and on. Most started on a shoestring and America allowed them to succeed. This will not change - unless you give up. Then you are lost but it's your choice.