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Re: Just goes to prove [tidester]

by duke23 on Thu Jul 24 19:17:13 PDT 2008

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Abstract/FREE Full Text ↵Cicerone RJ (2006) Clim Change 77:221–226. CrossRef ↵Crutzen PJ (2006) Clim Change 77:211–219. CrossRef http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/temperature-change.html Downloaded Thursday, 24-Jul-2008 21:43:43 EDT The present day is at the far right of the chart. What do we see? First of all, there’s quite a bit of fluctuation. There are long periods of time when the average global temperature was as much as 9 C degrees (16 F degrees) colder than now. These were ice ages. Much of the northern part of the world was covered with thick sheets of ice, much like we see today in Greenland and Antarctica. The most recent ice age ended about 12,000 years ago. There were also times when it was warmer than today. On the whole, we are in a relatively warm period. What causes these changes in climate? There are many factors. Even Industry.link title And to be totally fair, here's even a reference for your argument from those idiots at MIT. 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Re: Take Advantage of a Car Dealer [carhag2000]

by duke23 on Sat Jul 12 21:52:39 PDT 2008

No full points it is, Taxi is correct as well as Harry Chapin.Winner,winner.Now on to sales., does not management take more each year while relating sales to less? I call it the annual christmas paycut. Usually delivered in December.

Re: Take Advantage of a Car Dealer [duke23]

by carhag2000 on Sat Jul 12 21:37:47 PDT 2008

Harry Chapin, The taxi driver or something like that...Know the song but not the title...Do I get half points?

Re: Coasting in neutral lowers mpg / 30,000 pounds of bananas

by elias on Mon Oct 15 12:22:51 PDT 2007

spirted sky pilot, your ad hominem attacks are obnoxious. too bad there's no way to selectively avoid your posts due to your rudeness. oh well, edmunds forums remain great despite the absence of that one feature. i have no investment in whether you or your dream-team of mechanical engineers believe or disbelieve the truth here. indeed it is mostly an academic/nitpicky argument with little real-world-usefulness. engineers tend to love that sort of argument, so you might want to float it past your gaggle of MEs so they can enjoy slapping you. an engine does not need fuel to run, ny540i6 - it can run as long as the hill lasts, via potential/kinetic energy provided by the planet's-gravity/friction/tires/drivetrain. T-for-Texases makes a great point about the catalytic converter, but it would only be relevant if EPA/NHTSA/whoever actually does a zero-fuel-downhill test in order to test whether catalytic-converter remains up-to-temp. i heard once that some vehicles were going to have electric-preheaters for the catalytic-converter in order to satisfy EPA cold-start tests. if those made it to production, they might mitigate the effect you describe, with zero fuel cost because the alternator is able to run just fine with zero-fuel-use, similarly via potential/kinetic/friction/blahblahblah. bo-arizona-47, i think i like your reply/experience the best. it reminds me of one of my favorite songs: Harry Chapin's _30,000 pounds of bananas_. i've found a live/mp3 of it. maybe google/play it, or read the lyrics to see their relevance to your experience. sincere thanks for the memories from this GM/Holden driver.

Re: I'm sure somebody... [0patience]

by volvomax on Mon Sep 03 11:15:46 PDT 2007

OK, Here is my list All Time Pantheon: Gottlieb Daimler Karl Benz Wilhelm Maybach Emile Levassor Andre Citroen Ransom Olds Rudolf Diesel Battista "Pinin" Farina Ettore Bugatti Fred Dusenberg Enzo Ferrari Ferry Porsche Charles Kettering Colin Chapman Soichiro Honda Henry Ford Ford Pantheon: Henry Ford Lee Iacocca Carrol Shelby Edsel Ford GM Pantheon: William Durant John DeLorean Harley Earl Zora Arkus Duntov Alfred P Sloan AMC Pantheon(and its predecessor companies) Charles Nash Henry Kaiser Roy Chapin Chrysler Pantheon: Walter P Chrysler Lee Iacocca Robert Lutz Francois Castaing Hal Sperlich General US Pantheon: Duryea brothers Henry Leland Raymond Loewy Packard Brothers Max Hoffman Euro Pantheon: William Lyons Emile Jellinek Rene Panhard August Horch Donald Healy Alec Issigonas Louis Renault Nils Bohlin Auto Hell: Lynn Townsend Ralph Nader The Entire British Gov't and the directors of British Leyland Joan Claybrook Robert McNamara

Arrie:

by chapin on Mon May 23 08:09:45 PDT 2005

Thanks, it worked. Memories set.