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Re: I totally agree... [iluvmysephia1]

by gagrice on Sun Nov 16 08:10:28 PST 2008

We will tariff it at 30%(like rockylee wants)and then just see how many they will sell here in these United States. I feel the same as I do about diesel cars. IF the government agencies are truly concerned about the environment and using up all the fossil fuel, there are options. All I see is obstacles to those options. Hey, I am fine running around town in a gas guzzling car or SUV. I sure as heck am not going to squeeze into a small car to save a couple bucks worth of gas a month. Give me incentive to compromise my comfort and I will buy into it. And hybrids to me are just an overly complex solution to nothing. The Volt is a slight improvement in thinking. Only slight in my opinion. PURE EV would handle all but my vacation driving needs. I could rent except you only get crap cars in the rental pools. Unless you want to spend $200 a day for a nice ride. I usually fly and rent anyway.

Re: gagrice, feast on this info. as far as... [iluvmysephia1]

by gagrice on Sun Nov 16 07:43:47 PST 2008

price it for around $19,995, and we could use our $7,500 Obama rebates on it I'd cling to it like a warm, raspberry donut That to me is much more exciting than the Volt for twice the price. My take is GM has lost site of the future and wants US to support their failed venture. With a $20k price for a little 4 passenger runabout and a $7500 tax credit the Feds should be all over these EVs like stink on doo doo. Offer some of that bailout money to establish the automakers of the 21st century, instead of throwing money at the losers from the last century. This of course is predicated on the assumption that Congress and the Federal agencies are truly interested in weaning US off of fossil fuel. I am very skeptical. Even CA with all its rhetoric has done NOTHING to encourage a practical EVs. All pie in the sky Tesla crap. The people do not need a $100k EV sports car with 6000 AA time bombs on board. The BO and the i-MIEV will be what we need.

Re: Funny [steve_]

by gagrice on Sat Nov 15 16:43:50 PST 2008

I'm open for an EV. I don't believe the EPA will give approval for a practical EV. They are in bed with the oil companies and will tack on so much crap that we will not be able to afford one. IF Mitsubishi is able to get the i-MIEV approved and to market in the $24,000 range it should be a decent seller, with the Feds $7500 tax credit. That is the only way we can cut emissions, if that is the goal. I think the goal is to keep using fossil fuel and get more taxes from it.

Re: Just to be clear [pf_flyer]

by gagrice on Thu Nov 06 06:38:06 PST 2008

If a business isn't viable, what in the world are we doing propping it up? Look at the last year. We are propping up every kind of business. Now we are going to spend Billions to keep 3 defunct car companies building sub standard vehicles. They are wasting our tax dollars on the cars, why not the fuel for the cars. It is the Big 3 that build the cars and trucks that are designed to use E85. Congress is not going to say we were wrong unless they have clear evidence like with MTBE. The people are demanding alternative fuels. Ethanol is an alternative fuel. The fact that it takes as much or more fossil fuel to make the stuff seems to be irrelevant. Sadly it is Politics as usual.

Re: Buying a Car During the Credit Crunch [kirstie_h]

by jeromeb on Mon Nov 03 19:22:55 PST 2008

I'll browse the thread after posting this reply to message #1. I came to this forum after reading a comment from GM in which an executive said that sales were unsustainably low. I would like to point out to GM that 50 years ago GM calculated a 3-year replacement cycle for every car they sold. They were right. Unfortunately, GM pushed quality down to match the cycle. It was easy for resurgent foreign competitors to lure customers away with reliable cars even if they cost more than GM's offerings. GM responded by drawing quality up to levels to match foreign competition. In another unfortunately unexpected outcome, GM's capital structure depends on the same old 3-year replacement cycle. The replacement cycle is now closer to 6 years, and GM is starved for new cash. The good news is that GM quality is now competitive with everyone in the world and GM will survive this market retrenchment. I purchased a new Chevrolet Malibu in each of 2003 and 2004. I also purchased a new Dodge Intrepid in 2004, and a used Ford Focus in 2004. All four of these vehicles are running well and are quite dependable. Looking forward, I have no intention of purchasing another car that runs on internal combustion of fossil fuels alone. The first and second generation of hybrid vehicles are interesting. I'd buy a Ford Escape Hybrid if I just had to get new wheels. Lacking an emergent need, I will wait until the 3rd generation of hybrid cars such as the Aptera Type-1h and the Chevrolet Volt become available before making another purchase.

Re: global warming a croc [gagrice]

by ruking1 on Wed Oct 29 10:03:14 PDT 2008

The CALIFORNIA PUC of the "green state" pulls a Ted Kennedy (kibosh on ocean wind turbine project). Perhaps the wrong GREEN.... State rejects PG&E contract for wave energy..... link title So does anybody REALLY want to get off fossilized fuels? ;) But I do have to admit droning on about it is far cheaper than doing anything about it.