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Real World -- Who's Driving E85?
by seniorjose on Sun Jun 18 09:50:52 PDT 2006
A sampling of Hoosier ethanol users: • Name: Aaron Pierce, 17, Carmel, high school student. Drives: 2003 Chevy Tahoe. E85 user: Since May 2. • Why: "Not only does it burn cleaner, it is a fuel that literally comes from the backyards of many Americans." • Performance: "It seems like I burn 2-3 miles per gallon less than I would with gasoline (but) newer E85 engines get better mileage out of the fuel." •Patriotism: "If we all switch to E85 as our primary source of fuel, the United States will control production, refinement and distribution. I look at how rich the Middle Eastern counties got from oil and I see our potential with E85." • Name: Doug Boner, 40, Indianapolis, plumbing manager for Earl Gray & Sons. • Drives: 2005 GMC Yukon. • E85 user: Two years. • Why: "Engine lasts longer and stays cleaner, (uses) less oil use and prices were lower." • Performance: "When using regular gas I get 15 miles to the gallon city driving. With E85 I get 13 miles to the gallon. On the highway, there is very little difference. I have noticed that I seem to get a little more ‘get up and go’ with E85." • Patriotism: "We have made ourselves into slaves of foreign oil." • Name: Greg Cooper, 45, Carmel, real estate broker. • Drives: 2004 GMC Yukon. • E85 user: Two months. • Why: "Frankly, my initial impulse was paying back those who have been sticking it to us for a long time when it comes to oil." • Performance: "City mileage is slightly worse (but) highway actually is a little better." Patriotism: "This helps reduce our country’s dependence on foreign oil." • Name: David Gray, 22, Fort Wayne, communications grad student at IPFW. • Drives: 2003 Ford Taurus. • E85 user: Two months. • Why: "It burns much cleaner than gas and helps our economy." • Performance: "I have heard horsepower improves with E85 due to higher octane levels, but I have not noticed." • Patriotism: "It helps create Indiana jobs at production facilities and get our nose out of the Middle East and South America." ETHANOL PRODUCTION POISED TO RISE Indiana has one ethanol plant in operation, New Energy Corp. in South Bend. But at least 12 others are either under construction or in the planning stages, including: • Putnam Ethanol, Cloverdale. • Cargill/Demeter, Linden. • Iroquois BioEnergy, Rensselaer. • Central Indiana Ethanol, Marion. • The Andersons, Clymers. • Rush Renewable Energy, Rushville. • Central States Enterprises Inc., Montpelier. • ASAlliances Biofuels LLC, Tipton. • Cardinal Ethanol, Harrisville. • Premier Ethanol LLC, Portland. • ASAlliances, Mount Vernon. • Advanced BioEnergy, Rochester. Source: Indiana Lieutenant governor’s office.
Driving Impressions
by lotsabones on Thu Jul 15 17:38:43 PDT 2004
Keep in mind, this is in comparison to a Mini Cooper S, the car I have put 35,000 miles on in the last year and 3 months. The Cooper has a quite stiff ride, moderate acceleration, and corners like a go-kart. In high-speed (60-80mph) turns, the GT wagon is very stable, some body lean but not a lot, and very easy to control with adequate feedback from the wheels. On tighter turns (35-50mph, the ones with yellow caution signs that say 25-30mph) body lean is more pronounced but still not bad at all - and the engine is strong enough, even in 5th gear, so that you can change the balance from understeer to oversteer quite easily (may also have something to do with the AWD system and the viscous front-back coupling). Overall, it has an excellent balance handling and ride. It is not as extreme as the Cooper, and would have trouble keeping up with the Cooper on twisty roads (as would just about any other car in this price range), but on a straight stretch it is no contest at all. To be honest, the car that the Subaru reminds me of most is the car I owned prior to the Cooper, which was a Lexus GS400. That car was also very quiet, had a strong (300hp) engine, and handled pretty well. However, the Subaru is quieter, handles better, and feels even quicker - not to mention being 20k+ less expensive. The interior on the Lexus was nicer, and had features that the Subaru may never have (auto down and up on all four windows was pretty nice) but they are at least headed in the right direction. As I got further north, and the traffic thinned out, I filled up with gas in Cloverdale and reset the computer. The rest of the drive home was almost all highway driving, mostly rolling hills with a few miles here and there of 2-lane twisties, then a trip up to the airport and back to pick up my car. Filled up with gas the next day (yesterday, actually) and the computer indicated 25.8mpg - with an actual calculated figure of 24.4. Not bad at all, considering the engine is brand new. Now, its back to the Cooper for me, and stern warnings to my wife to not exceed 4000rpm (which I did at least twice on each day I drove it - my bad). At this rate, though, it won't take any time at all to get past break-in. I can't wait to really wind it out. Phil

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