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Re: HHO does not work [texases]
by pf_flyer on Tue Oct 21 10:12:15 PDT 2008
Yep, you sometimes have to stick with an idea that seems crazy to get to the good ones. The funny thing about the Orville and Wilbur arguement is that the Wrights had physics on their side. Planes CAN fly. ;)
Re: HHO does not work [Mr_Shiftright]
by texases on Tue Oct 21 09:56:10 PDT 2008
"The automakers and oil companies want to suppress it" Yeah, that's a good one. My way around that is 'Fine, but what about all the other companies that would stand to make billions selling these as add-ons? And what about the major users (police, cab companies, truckers, FedEx, you name it) that would SAVE billions by buying them?' I know I'm hitting too close to home when the response resorts to the 'they thought Orville and Wilbur were crazy too!'
Bad Business Model
by circlew on Mon Sep 29 04:14:46 PDT 2008
Here is some more meaning of what a bad business model GM has reflected in the past. Forced change is the current reality. Pay particular attention to PRICING. As customers wise up regarding price vs. resale value in their purchase decisions, GM needs to really change pricing strategy. "I really believe, as they refocus their fleets on passenger cars at the right price point, that Americans will start buying more of their cars," Psaros said. An agreement GM reached with its labor unions last year to cut costs will be "transformative," said Psaros, whose firm owns auto suppliers that do business with GM. GM's CEO Wagoner also said on Thursday that the automaker is looking to speed up a $10 billion program of cost cuts and was readying asset sales. GM said last week it would draw down the remaining portion of a $4.5 billion revolving credit line to maintain flexibility for its restructuring. Turnaround specialist Wilbur Ross told the summit on Monday that the move to pump up cash raises red flags for investors. GM's decision to draw down its revolver was a prudent liquidity move, GM spokeswoman Rashid-Merem said. Here is the full article. I don't write 'em. I am a current customer. NYU's Altman sees 50-55 percent chance of GM default Regards, OW
Re: Color me confused [pf_flyer]
by realbasic on Mon Aug 11 12:58:57 PDT 2008
So the basic concept of running a current through water and sending the hydrogen to an engine hasn't been property marketed or commercially applied yet. SO WHAT? I found out about it on Friday night on a rude and crude installation and was blown away by how simple it is. Then I went on the internet and used my own discernment to see through the snake oil and get down to the basic integrity of the HHO/gasoline hybrid concept. Other people are finding out about the HHO/gasoline hybrid concept right now by reading this and other forums. All I can tell them is watch an HHO/gasoline hybrid system work. Come to your own conclusions. It is unbelievable simple, and there's no need to let the "experts" baffle you with bull about thermodynamics unvolitalized hydrocarbons and dynamometric hooey. The "experts" have always stood in the way of true creativity and great ideas. Science is great, but not when it's used to obstruct simple elegance. The grand and glorious physics professor and assistant secretary of the Smithsonian Samuel Pierpont Langley splashed into the Potomac with his version of a flying machine. Orville and Wilbur were bicycle mechanics who never went to college. I don't even have to use their last name to make my point!
Re: Color me confused [pf_flyer]
by realbasic on Mon Aug 11 12:26:57 PDT 2008
So the basic concept of running a current through water and sending the hydrogen to an engine hasn't been property marketed or commercially applied yet. SO WHAT? I found out about it on Friday night on a rude and crude installation and was blown away by how simple it is. Then I went on the internet and used my own discernment to see through the snake oil and get down to the basic integrity of the HHO/gasoline hybrid concept. Other people are finding out about the HHO/gasoline hybrid concept right now by reading this and other forums. All I can tell them is watch an HHO/gasoline hybrid system work. Come to your own conclusions. It is unbelievable simple, and there's no need to let the "experts" baffle you with bull about thermodynamics unvolitalized hydrocarbons and dynamometric hooey. The "experts" have always stood in the way of true creativity and great ideas. Science is great, but not when it's used to obstruct simple elegance. The grand and glorious physics professor and assistant secretary of the Smithsonian Samuel Pierpont Langley splashed into the Potomac with his version of a flying machine. Orville and Wilbur were bicycle mechanics who never went to college. I don't even have to use their last name to make my point!
Re: Enough [pf_flyer]
by realbasic on Mon Aug 11 03:41:46 PDT 2008
Subtle twist there on your part... I didn't write "my cousin DID it with a coffee can and apple sauce jar." I said he "experimented" with these materials. Very crude experiment on an old vehicle. The point is -- it worked. My cousin -- a stone mason with no science background -- is able to generate hydrogen for his pickup truck using a coffee can and an apple sauce jar. Sorry if that doesn't fit your template of how new technologies emerge. You wrote "When an independent testing group comes out and acheives repeatable, verifiable results, I'll believe it." Well good. Have a seat. In 1903, two bicycle mechanics built the first airplane out of bicycle chains, sprockets and spokes. After Kitty Hawk, they took their bicycle parts back to Dayton and flew out of a cow pasture for five years. It was 1908 before the "independent testing groups" finally caught on. History is full of stories like this. You don't need guys in lab coats walking around with clipboards to make something real. HHO is real. You probably would have pooh-poohed the idea that a pile of of bicycle parts could fly over a cow pasture until some egghead tapped you on the shoulder and said "yes, that thing is flying..." Fine. No skin off my nose. I guess my ongoing question is --- why do you get so worked up -- so passionate -- about denying that a cheap, low-tech HHO hybrid might work? Is it because it's so cheap and low-tech that a stone mason can make one, cutting out the guys in the lab coats? Seems like that's just what the Wilbur and Orville did!

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