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Re: how correct is edmunds invoice for the XC [tenmiler]

by Car_man on Tue Feb 05 03:15:58 PST 2008

Hi tenmiler. The pricing data that is available here at Edmunds.com is usually very accurate. I compared the XC70 pricing that is listed here to the pricing at a number of different sources and it appears to be correct. Try stopping by the "Volvo XC70 V70 Prices Paid and Buying Experience" discussion to see if other community members have run into similar situations with this model. Car_man Host Prices Paid: Buying & Leasing Experiences Forum

Re: Drove it, like it [tenmiler]

by msu79gt82 on Tue Jan 08 10:58:41 PST 2008

1) I agree its smaller than I'd like. We're downsizing from an MDX - and it may be too small a downsize 2 & 3) I used to own an FX35 that I traded for an M35. I love Infiniti Bells & Whistels. Excellent Navi and back-up Camera (best in business!). LDWS in the M35 works well most of the time (bright sunlight on shiney streets confuses it sometimes). 4) The power raise seats is a concern for me after testing one at the dealerhip - the right rear seat belt got caught everytime in the latch :blush: Hopefully its a sample problem and not a defect :confuse: 5 & 6) Didn't have time to test drive this visit. 7) Didn't seem to be n issues for me, but I'll pay more attention next time - thanks for the heads up. 8) I agree there are nice color choices; however I am amazed that the Luxe leatbher packages (w/ the Adaptive headlights) are ONLY available w/ the Wheat and Chestnut interiors :mad: What's up with packaging Adaptive Front Lights w/ leather anyway and why only two colors?? :confuse: 9) Yep Infiniti Back-up camera is best in class. 10) There is some talk of early discounting in the othert thread. There is almost universal complaints about the size of this car.

Drove it, like it

by tenmiler on Sun Jan 06 00:29:27 PST 2008

I found this car by clicking on a banner on this website. Imagine that. Ran to my nearest Infiniti dealer for a drive. I drove the 17" Journey AWD, and here are my thoughts: 1. Cargo is unbelievably tiny and very very very short from floor to ceiling in the back (the roof is lower in cargo but higher in passenger area). I have a Volvo XC right now, so my comparisons are skewed, but I have a 60lb dog who rides in the back. She freaked out when I put her in back. In this car, the seats would have to be lowered. Fortunately that happens with a button push, both up and down. The X3 DOES have more cargo room, and the 328xi wagon (a car on my list) blows it away. 2. This car is loaded where the Euro cars nickel and dime you. The nav package is a good one, integrating satellite and XM traffic, with ipod connectivity all included. Stereo is great on Premium pkg. Cluster is clean although the needless purple glow around the dials made me feel like I was in some tricked out 1995 honda. I prefer the European approach to instrument lighting. This is just a little excessive and teenage cheesy to me, but not a deal-breaker. 3. the tech package that includes a 360 camera view of the car and lane departure warning is nifty, but not as cool as the Adaptive Cruise stuff. However none of these things are really necessary. 4. The backseat decline/raise is done electrically. Nice. But it does not always work--it seemed to konk out or beep when the headrest touched the front seats. Happened lots in my short test of the car. 5. Car accelerates nicely but I don't care for the tinny-sounding wind-up sound of japanese engines--wish it was throatier to justify this engine, which is a good one. 297 HP and still better gas mileage than the 235hp 08 XC? Shows some ingenuity (and weight loss!). But, the car still sounds like a sewing machine when you mash the pedal down. I really dislike this. 6. Significant lean in curves. I felt unsafe cornering just on an off ramp, but I was definitely pushing it a bit. Keep in mind I'm a Volvo XC driver, and that car drives like a loaf of bread but doesn't lean like this car on an offramp (I also test drove a 328xi wagon which makes both my XC, and 08XC and the EX feel horrendously truck-like in the handling dept) 7. Seat bottoms are a little short for tall drivers which I am, and that could be a long-drive issue, but headroom is great. Steering wheel is teeeeeny. 8. Dealer then showed me the 18" in the platinum graphite color as the sun set, it is a beautiful paint color--wanted to test out the healing paint gimmick... to see if it is indeed a gimmick. Dealer not keen on that one, obviously. 9. I really like the backup camera and the useful guide to how far you are from something. Lexus' backup camera is totally useless as it's not only fisheyed but gives you no beeping or distance guidance (at least in the 04) 10. Pricing wise, MSRP when you add in comparable equipment, competes well with the Euro brands and undercuts them significantly. Fear that this car will not be discounted for a while for anyone who wants a quick little wagon/hatch car. Bottom line: Due to the tiny cargo area, the 4-cylinder-ish sound of the engine on hard acceleration and the iffy lean of this car, I think I'm still leaning towards the BMW, even though it lacks many of the bells and whistles of the EX. I could be talked into it, though, and it's my first test drive of a Japanese car.

Re: Following up on the 328xi saga [tenmiler]

by cdnpinhead on Fri Jan 04 13:47:08 PST 2008

If you care to look up "bait & switch" in your dictionary, I'm guessing there will be a YouTube video of your experience listed right at the top. If not, there should be. The good news is that you were too informed to fall for their scam. Run (don't walk) to the nearest other dealer, or do some e-mailing to learn which dealers within 500 miles are really interested in you business. Good luck!

Following up on the 328xi saga

by tenmiler on Fri Jan 04 12:34:38 PST 2008

I finally heard back from the BMW dealer after I asked them to honor their price quote, and they tell me the car has been turned into a 'service loaner', and was no longer available. However, they'd find me another 07 for invoice and give me accessories at cost. They also mentioned X3 deals too, but that's a whole new ballgame. I don't think the deal is so great but if I find a deal from them I'll post. I'm going to stop by one last time and talk to them, and then be done with them. I think they've tried to at least honor their goof up.

Re: Help with a 328xi 07 Wagon Deal? [boomer23]

by tenmiler on Thu Jan 03 19:42:52 PST 2008

Thanks for the reply. It does sound silly. It's Ralph Schomp in Denver--they really pride themselves on being "fair" up front and claim they are paid on salary, blah blah blah. So I've been surprised. Re Taxing: In Colorado, you are taxed on any down payments you make. Whether or not that's a security deposit per se, I don't know, and maybe that's a different story--Security deposit isn't what I was told was the way to buy down the MF. But ANY cap cost reduction is subject to tax when you pay it. My question is would it be at all likely BMW would make an exception for owner loyalty deals, extending it in a case like this, if the issue was one like this where the dealer miscommunicated a price to me? When I calculate it the MF buydown from BMW as they claim, goes from .0029 to .0019, which I think adds up to the difference in price.