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by gpwatfrd on Sun Feb 09 10:26:34 PST 2003
with the snow tires on. Tires make so much of a difference when speaking about a cars performance in the snow. To give an ex. I had a Mercedes clk430 which I just handed in. The vehicle was equipped with 17' michelon pilots 225/45 front 245/40 rear (like the bmw sport) My wife was caught in a snow storm (about 6 inches of snow nothing too bad) coming home from work. She got stuck on 3 different occasions in what is normally a 45 minute drive home. The 3rd time she was stuck was close to home. One of our neighbors who has a BMW X5 saw her fish tailing all over the place and offered to switch vehicles. Later that night I heard for about 2 hrs how the BMW glided through the snow like it wasn't there and how much of a lemon my clk430 was. It is not a lemon but if you were stuck on 3 different occasions coming home you might say the same thing. Needless to say that she now drives an AUDI A6 w/4 wheel drive and all season tires. The clk w/those tires in the snow is not bad, it is horrible, you can't drive it with as little as 1 inch of snow on the ground. Why..... tires,tires,tires
Re: Creators of carbon credit scheme cashing in on scam [kernick]
by ruking1 on Wed Nov 05 10:25:28 PST 2008
Indeed I do not understand what the fascination is with global cooling !!! A couple of winters of - MINUS 50 degrees F and GREATER/LESSER depending on your perspective (wind chill and otherwise) ought to cure em!! Think of all the Penquins who DIE because of it !!!! "Homeless" seals seem to do well in the SF bay area. Perhaps Glide Memorial can do a feed the seals outreach.
Re: Calculated vs Car figures [prius2007]
by cdhc on Sat Nov 01 08:31:49 PDT 2008
I do have a background on the subject of regenerative braking, kinetic energy, etc. For a living I engineer & sell industrial machinery, and regen braking is nothing new. Its just new to the consumer market. The primary source of energy in the Prius is, yes, the gas tank. One thing about the engineering that went into designing the Prius is that it utilizes every opportunity to capitalize on motion being used to charge the battery. On a car that has conventional brakes, during the action of braking, heat is generated. This heat is a direct representation of energy that is lost. In regen braking, the energy is captured from the momentum of the wheels, and this energy is used to back-drive the electric motor, thus charging the battery. Its important to brake lightly. If you use a heavy brake, the brake pads kick in to stop the car, and energy can be lost due to heat being generated. When you are driving, and you take your foot off the accelerator (coasting), the car then uses the momentum of the wheels to back-drive the electric motor, thus charging the battery. This method of charging is much more efficient than regen braking since there will not be as much energy lost due to heat being generated. Its true that gliding can help you go a little further than coasting, but gliding does nothing at all to charge the battery. What may be perceived as friction while coasting is actually the electric motor being back-driven. And yes, with any rotating part, there is friction. That's just something that cannot be avoided. You even have friction in the wheel bearings while simply gliding. I don't know. There's people that get better gas mileage than me, but I'm happy with my average of 57.5.
Re: Calculated vs Car figures [jana6]
by cdhc on Sat Nov 01 08:30:37 PDT 2008
I do have a background on the subject of regenerative braking, kinetic energy, etc. For a living I engineer & sell industrial machinery, and regen braking is nothing new. Its just new to the consumer market. The primary source of energy in the Prius is, yes, the gas tank. One thing about the engineering that went into designing the Prius is that it utilizes every opportunity to capitalize on motion being used to charge the battery. On a car that has conventional brakes, during the action of braking, heat is generated. This heat is a direct representation of energy that is lost. In regen braking, the energy is captured from the momentum of the wheels, and this energy is used to back-drive the electric motor, thus charging the battery. Its important to brake lightly. If you use a heavy brake, the brake pads kick in to stop the car, and energy can be lost due to heat being generated. When you are driving, and you take your foot off the accelerator (coasting), the car then uses the momentum of the wheels to back-drive the electric motor, thus charging the battery. This method of charging is much more efficient than regen braking since there will not be as much energy lost due to heat being generated. Its true that gliding can help you go a little further than coasting, but gliding does nothing at all to charge the battery. What may be perceived as friction while coasting is actually the electric motor being back-driven. And yes, with any rotating part, there is friction. That's just something that cannot be avoided. You even have friction in the wheel bearings while simply gliding. I don't know. There's people that get better gas mileage than me, but I'm happy with my average of 57.5.
Re: Calculated vs Car figures [jana6]
by prius2007 on Sat Nov 01 02:53:55 PDT 2008
Hi jana6, You hit the nail right on the head - the claim is that there is no friction when gliding. BTW the Prius MFD is great in showing instant MPG but it only goes to 99.9. I recently bought a Scangauge which goes up to 9999 MPG and even better if you switch it to L/100KM a zero reading means there is not even a trickle of gas is being used when gliding. Best of luck :) , sounds like you got the bulk of the concept and you can put it into practice, Gabe
Re: Calculated vs Car figures [cdhc]
by prius2007 on Sat Nov 01 02:49:23 PDT 2008
Hi cdhc, Your advice is good in fact I do the same, but if you listen to the experts / people with more experience with the Prius they will tell you this: There is an energy conversion loss (gas to electric or electric to kinetic). Guess well all the stored battery energy comes from - yes your gas engine. Initially it had to come from the battery and any replenisment has to come from the battery. They recommend to stay off the battery and that a no arrows glide is better than running off the battery. Like you, I also coast (blue arrows only going to the battery) when approaching a red light / stop sign. I've been doing more gliding (no arrows) as a result whenver possible, but since I don't want to hold up traffic I do also run on the battery often. Good luck sounds like you're doing well :) Gabe

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