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Re: One other note [lilengineerboy]
by grbeck on Fri Sep 26 11:12:34 PDT 2008
lilengineerboy: I don't know, the dash on my '07 is 3 or 4 different colors, the panels are mismatched, you can see the mold release lines across the top of the IP over the radio. I would say it is average in fit and finish. If you are comparing an '03 Accord to an '03 Taurus, I am right there with you, but I think with the Fusion the gap shrank alot. The Fusion and the Malibu are the best of the new domestics, and they still lag the Accord in interior fit-and-finish, including the dasbhoards. And my original post dealt with more than dashboard - or even interior - fit-and-finish. It dealt with the entire car, and, taken as a whole the Accord is still one of the gold standards for its class. lilengineerboy: Eh reliability is arguable. It's measurable, and according reliable sources like Consumer Reports and truedelta.com, the Accord still beats the Fusion and Malibu for reliability. lilengineerboy: Even handling, where the 3 year old Fusion was within 4 tenths of a second of the brand new just introduced boat from Honda, or where it beat it in skidpad lateral grip implies that its not the case. The Fusion has a very nice chassis and suspension tuning, but I've not seen an indication that, overall, it's better than the Accord in this area. And please note that the automotive history is littered with vehicles that were great on the skidpad and so-so in the real world (although, in all fairness, I wouldn't put the Fusion in the category). lilengineerboy: Hmmm an oversized "personal luxury coupe" makes me think T-bird and Monte Carlo, but if people like 'em, its fine with me. No Monte Carlo built in the 1990s or since the turn of this century could ever match the Accord coupe for refinement, performance and reliability. And, unlike the Monte Carlo, the Accord coupe BOOSTS the parent company's reputation. The Thunderbird? The Turbo Coupes and Super Coupes of the 1980s and 1990s were nice cars with very handsome styling. But they were aimed at a more upscale market segment than the Accord coupe. lilengineerboy: Don't confuse "fleet sales" with "rental car fleets." Businesses buy them because they are inexpensive to buy and maintain, and they are reliable to support the needs of a business. For the first half of the 2008 model year, the Fusion sold a total of 32.1 percent of its production to fleet customers. Of the 24,379 vehicles that went to fleets, 13,335 - or slightly more than half - went to rental car companies. In the Chevy camp, a total of 33 percent of Malibu production went to fleet customers. Of the 21,974 vehicles that went to fleet customers, 17,187, or well over half, went to rental car companies. Of total Accord production, a whopping 2.5 percent went to fleet customers. Yes, corporate customers and governments buying fleet vehicles will look at the factors you cited, although many of them - especially governments - are operating under "buy American" edicts. And that doesn't include transplant vehicles, so the playing field isn't entirely level. But rental car companies are looking for the deal, and nothing more. A few sales to rental car companies aren't a bad thing (it gets the product before potential customers), but done on a large scale, it's nothing more than a way to dump vehicles that retail customers don't want.
Re: Cars Caught in Subjunctive Mood? [richard64]
by laurasdada on Fri Aug 22 07:09:35 PDT 2008
Not I. I became a driver just in time to enjoy the '70s gas lines. Hence I've always driven decent mpg cars (I consistently get 23mpg in my TL, weekly commute). Even the Evil Wife's RX is getting ~19mpg. Not fab, but could be worse. Like my Sis-in-Law who insisted the RX was too small, so she made her husband buy her an Expedition! Funny, haven't seen that on the road too much... I was too young to be drafted, but I saw summer camp councellors receive their numbers (on our recent trip to DC, visited the Viet Nam Memorial: Stunning). I have not forgotten the name of my Y camp councellor from oh so long ago who received his # that summer. Thankfully, his name was not in the index/on the wall.... I remember watching Colin Powell do his duty and present the "evidence" of WMD to the UN. I'm no expert, but OJ was acquitted with much stronger evidence against him than Powell was forced to try and sell. But, I thought, my government must have/know more than they're revealing. The USA doesn't invade countries/start wars, just defense, right? And as far as the Depression? Well, that continues for me since the Pats finished out their "imperfect" season... :cry: ;)
Re: Someone needs to let the North Pole know [avalon02wh]
by gagrice on Wed Jul 16 06:32:52 PDT 2008
If we every get to the point that profit is the only incentive, we will be in big trouble. Someone has to look at the big picture and try to balance the needs of a society. Most inventions over the last 150 years were profit motivated. Even the vast store of products that are a result of defense and space research were done by those looking for fame and fortune. I realize a lot of R&D money is spent without showing a profit. That is not the motivation. Giving money to universities for research is mostly a good thing. Handing it to corporations in this day and age is questionable. Too much fraud and waste in our grant system. I saw a lot of it in the Arctic. People sitting for weeks in camp on the government nickel waiting for the tundra grass to grow and make measurements. Or hoping to get a clear day to try and spot a whale from a helicopter. With all of them sipping coffee for days on end. Millions are wasted on research that will gain US nothing. Global warming is an issue, but, we really need to understand climate change not just any potential warming. I agree with your assessment of the GW/CC issue. Too much hysteria at either end to get a clear picture. If Peak oil is upon US the problem should resolve itself in the next 50 years. Of course how are you going to stop those countries that have no alternative except coal? China is building ONE coal fired generation system per week last I read.

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