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Re: . [lemmer]
by Mr_Shiftright on Tue Nov 18 09:18:12 PST 2008
Well GMs continual loss of market share rather proves that point. It's rather pointless for an automaker to insist "I make the better car but nobody wants it for some reason I just can't figure out" If Toyota is boring, they should open the Toyota School of Boring Cars at Detroit University then. You should be able to major in Boring. They should have the Boring Car Awards televised each year. There should be a Toyota Clone Laboratory in MIchigan. I mean, not to be sarcastic, but you can't argue with success. I suppose one could operate a "purist" automaker like Morgan or a novelty operation like Viper but if you want to sell millions of cars----hey, listen to the public. They vote with their wallets, not with their opinions.
Re: . [Mr_Shiftright]
by lemmer on Tue Nov 18 09:09:24 PST 2008
Rebuke taken, but it does kind of fit in. If GM is going to do pretty much what they've done over the past 30 years, why do we need them? Right now, they are only offering a couple of models that anybody wants. The Camry shows that a lot of people want a mind-numbingly boring car, just not one built by Buick. The argument that GM has consistently made better cars than Toyota over the past 20 years just doesn't fly.
Re: . [lemko]
by lemmer on Tue Nov 18 08:15:17 PST 2008
Are you calling the Camry boring? That is just a low blow. And coming from a Buick owner? Oh, the humanity! I think both of these cars are on the lowest rung of the exciting car food chain. I'd take a Civic with a manual tranny before either one. Thing is, Camrys are really good cars otherwise with great resale and reliability. Buick has nothing else to offer other than a cushy ride.
Re: Is the RX8 Inherently Flawed? [johnxyz]
by lesch on Mon Nov 17 19:37:15 PST 2008
Hello: I am the proud owner of an 04 RX 8. This is my second one, and I love both of my cars, the first one I bought new right off the showroom floor and the second one had 600 miles on it when I found it. I do not feel the car it be inherently flawed, to be honest with you the first problem I encountered was the cold start problem, but that problem is easily solved with just remembering to treat the car right, to me it is no different then having a physical problem with your own body, you just have to be conscious of it and remember not to do it. The only other problem I have had and this was a recall was the CD going out, which was replaced under warrenty. I love my cars and would not drive anything else, I have chosen to keep my 04's instead of upgrading to a newer model simply because 04 was the first year they came out and to me that makes them very special. What you have to mainly understand about the RX 8 is that it has to be driven as it was made to be driven, as a sports car and yes that means getting out there and really driving it, not treating it as you would a touring car or a traditional family car as this is not what it was built to do, it was built to go and go it will. No I would never use a synthetic oil, not only because it will void the warrenty, but also because if you understand how the engine works you will see that it is not an appropriate product to use with this car, that said, I guess you will just have to make your own mind up, no car is perfect, just as no person is perfect, you have to take the good with the bad as with any vehicle on the market. I have always loved cars and took shop and auto when other girls took home ec class, my car also fits me, I am only 5 ft. 5 inches tall, and my hubby is 6 ft 5 inches, it is NOT a car made for tall people, the pedals are also not made for someone with big feet, what this does for me, is that it makes my car ALL MINE !! LOL Don't know if any of this info will help you in your decision, I would say that if you have this many doubts now, that if you were to choose to buy one you might spend more time finding faults with it then you will enjoying it (sorry if I am wrong about that, as I do understand your concerns especially after reading about the problems some people have had) but if you consider the problems most have had they can be explained to what the owner has or has not done to and for the car. I will say one thing, it is not a car for winter driving in the snow and ice, it simply is not, but on good days in the winter time there is no better way to take out the winter blues then to get out there and enjoy a drive in your RX 8 !!. I wish you the best of luck, make a list of pros and cons, and then let your conscious be your deciding factor. Also, if you are a family man, although the car comfortably seats 4, in my humble opinion it is not a car to haul kids around in, but that is just my opinion, there are many owners who do so, I just preferred to wait for my dream car (s) until my kids were grown and on their own. My cars are black with red/black leather and black on black(leather interior also) I will say I get allot of envious looks, and some odd ones as a woman behind a wheel of such a great car, my car is a 6 speed also, would not have it any other way as I find automatics boring and to me an automatic RX 8 defeats the purpose of the car (again just my opinion). It will be interesting to see what other responses you get, again good luck and if you do decide to get one, ZOOM ZOOM and have fun.
Re: tell me how stupid this would be [guss]
by lemmer on Mon Nov 17 13:33:25 PST 2008
A 300ZX 2+2 might work, but those rear seats are tiny. Plus, 2+2s are really hard to find with a manual tranny. M3s are great. I love them. Kinda cheap inside and almost all molested at this point. If they aren't they are priced too high. CLKs are nice but a little boring. I'd probably get a Lexus SC300/400 instead and at least have some reliability.
Re: tell me how stupid this would be [Mr_Shiftright]
by lemmer on Mon Nov 17 11:01:24 PST 2008
Well, the 911 and 944 are pretty flingable but I sure do get a lot of negative comments from my coworkers on the back seat space. What does that leave for a 90s model slightly upscale car that is fun to drive and can hold an adult or two in the back? An Audi A4 and hope to avoid the sludge? A 3-series that is tight in the front? Lexus, Acura, Infiniti, Volvo, Saab, Mercedes that are too boring and/or FWD and/or unreliable?

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