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Re: This is why I check them. All of them [graphicguy]
by gogiboy on Sun Nov 09 11:16:23 PST 2008
GG & Richard-- My father-in-law was a confirmed Merc GC owner and had at least 4 different iterations over the years. I know that he was incredibly disappointed when Mercury dropped the wagon version--although the sedan has a cavernous trunk. The wagon that he had in the late 80s had that fake wood trim made of vinyl. That's probably a feature that no one here misses. When he died unexpectedly back in 04 I believe that his GM had less that 17K on the odometer--mostly it was being used to get groceries. The ride was a bit like a sofa floating on soft springs. He had the cloth interior on the last one, which was quite comfortable and the seats were roomy--definitely a yacht-like highway cruiser. Ford missed an opportunity by failing to offer a Lazy Boy edition with flip up leg supports for the passengers. My wife's brother ended up with it and sold it shortly thereafter. I remember offering to get a realistic estimate for a private sale from the Real World Trade-In forum, but he slapped some price in the window and it sold almost immediately. For the intended demographic the GC seems a respectable alternative to a Buick or Oldsmobile. My feeling is that if Richard still has the "urge" to get the black beauty this coming week and it's available it must be kismet and he should buy, but I've always been good at spending other's money. Gogiboy
Re: What would you do? [mikefm58]
by gogiboy on Thu Oct 16 10:34:06 PDT 2008
"One other point I'd like to make is it is EXTREMELY unlikely a vehicle sold would have EXACTLY 13000 miles. It might have 12978 or 13054, but not exactly 13000 miles." Mike's comments--and those of others--got me thinking about thresholds. Most of us seem to agree that approx. 1500 miles isn't a "federal case", but it might merit some form of dealer compensation. But where does the total mileage difference become excessive? 2000 miles, 2500, 3000? I really do think that customers and salespeople have different perceptions of what is excessive. I'm sure that those perceptions are also different for new vs. pre-owned. What about a sports car vs. a sedan? It may also have to do with how often you buy/trade. I can say that dealers/salespeople shouldn't place too much blame on buyers because we've been conditioned by Edmunds, NADA and KBB to focus--perhaps unrealistically--a great deal of attention on mileage, however ill-placed. Gogiboy (Over 50, but I like to think I have low miles) :)
Re: Fun in the sun (abridged version) [m6vx]
by gogiboy on Fri Oct 10 06:52:57 PDT 2008
"A mechanic with a pneumatic lug remover and an oversized socket can remove a lock lug without having the key." M6-- Thanks for the info. Someone did tell me that they could easily "break" it off, but I wasn't sure what they meant. It does beg the question, however, as to what value the lug locks really have. Couldn't anyone with a decent size vehicle carry a powerful air compressor and pneumatic socket wrench to take whatever wheel(s) they want? Gogiboy
Re: Warning: [tidester]
by gogiboy on Thu Oct 09 10:04:02 PDT 2008
"A few weeks ago I got a PHONE CALL from someone claiming to be from PayPal and asking me to "verify" my PIN number." Tidester-- Next time they ask (and they will...) you should say, "Why it's 7--4--6--#. In other words it's P--I--N--#, alpha numerically. They did ask you to verify (your) pin number, right? I guess there's no point antagonizing the criminal element, though. Gogiboy
Re: Fun in the sun (abridged version) [explorerx4]
by gogiboy on Thu Oct 09 09:51:46 PDT 2008
"if you ever had the tires rotated, that's probably when it got lost. " Explorer-- It's interesting that you say that because that was my first thought--and I had just had my tires rotated at the dealership a month prior. The sales manager insisted that it couldn't have happened because each of the mechanics has their own set of lug nut keys so they never have to remove the owner's key from the car. He said that the dealership had instituted this system after keys ended up missing resulting in plenty of finger pointing. I have to admit that I never even gave lug nut keys a thought prior to this incident. This is the first car I owned that came with them. The only reason I could see that someone would want to steal one would be to replace a bad wheel on another car. There is nothing distinctive or particularly attractive about them in my opinion. Gogiboy
Re: Fun in the sun (abridged version) [boomchek]
by gogiboy on Thu Oct 09 09:39:11 PDT 2008
Boom-- Thanks for your sensible perspective. I've also gained perspective over the intervening months. To me the $120, while not insignificant, was never the primary issue. I just wanted aknowledgement that a mistake could have been made and that the lug lock key was not included when the car was delivered--and to meet me part way on the rental fee. $60 to maintain a good relationship with a customer didn't seem extraordinary Although the dealership never came through, corporate Mazda ended up being more accommodating. In the grand scheme of car woes (GG's caddy problems come to mind) this "altercation" didn't amount to a hill of beans. If anything, my saga proves that misunderstandings can sometimes be resolved even though both sides feel they are in the right. I was very diplomatic, but firm, in my dealings with the staff at the dealership so I don't think I burned any bridges--and I have $50 to use on my next oil change. Now if I can just avoid those pesky road hazards. Thanks to everyone who responded to my questions. Gogiboy

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