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Accord is tops for now
by hmurphy on Sat Apr 05 18:14:44 PST 2003
In my book, anyway. The #1 reason is its fabulous crash test results. That alone puts the Camry and Passat out of the running. It's unfortunate, because I have a 1994 Camry that I love, but I want the safest available car for the price. The #2 reason is that it has such a nice mix of firmness and cushness and feels more sturdy than the Camry. The #3 reason is the questions about Passat reliability. I was in a friend's fairly new Passat once and two things just fell off in the cabin. Also, I owned a Rabbit in high school and though it was cute and peppy, it broke down constantly and had very strange electrical problems. I'm sure that Volkswagen has progressed since then, but I'll never forget dealing with that. I guess it's always comes down to personal opinion and past experience.
Specs and Sesame Street
by redflea on Wed May 21 14:04:11 PDT 2008
I agree...it is best to ignore marketing hype, filter based on a few objective factors like price/safety equipment/MPG, etc., and go see/drive the car. Did that, and I can tell you that the Sonata just isn't comparable to the Civic or other cars we drove. In addition to the Sonata being both 1 foot longer and 500 lbs (20%) heavier, it also has a different setup in terms of suspension firmness and dampening, tires (I didn't look, but I don't think it has low-profile 205/55 tires like the Civic), steering dampening/feel, etc. The Sonata is designed to provide more isolation from the road and more cush for the tush, if you will, and does so well. It also doesn't provide the great (to some) road feel and fun, sporty experience of the Civic. All about design trade-offs and market segments being pursued. We drove the Elantra, Sonata, Corolla, and Civic back-to-back in that order, and the Sonata stood out as very different from the rest of the group - it didn't fit in. Remember the old Sesame Street jingle..."One of these things is not like the other, one of these things just doesn't belong...) It was one of those moments. :-) Didn't dislike the Sonata, it just wasn't what we were looking for, and I expect 95% + of Civic/Elantra/Corolla/Mazda3 shoppers would feel the same, unless they were shopping for the smaller sedans because of price, and really want a larger sedan and didn't think they could afford it...the Sonata would fit that need very well. In fact, I emailed a buddy of mine looking for a new sedan to replace his aging Camry, telling him that he should give the Sonata a test drive. I think he'll like it quite a bit...another buddy who currently drives an Acura sedan is thinking about a Sonata for his next family sedan.
Re: The Only Luxury Car... [pmc4]
by fintail on Thu Feb 28 01:57:27 PST 2008
Have you ever ridden in a MB from that period? The cars were never meant to be Caddy-like luxury. No button tufted seats and inches of sound deadening and numb steering and acres of plood. This was not the point, it is not a European ideal. The cars sold in relatively identical form on the world market - the American idea of luxury does not exist much away from this continent. People gave up some of the cush for durability, workmanship, and roadworthiness. I'd take a period MB to a track vs a period Caddy any day. Nothing significant from Germany? Only little gadgets like fuel injection, ABS, large scale production of airbags, crumple zones, workable ergonomics, dual circuit brakes, the list goes on. Crude and primitive? The S-class cars since the W111 and especially the W126 were the most advanced sedans in the world when they were introduced. The 107 and 129 SL cars were also very advanced, hence how they have aged gracefully while most of their counterparts looked ancient after a few years. Don't ask for pics when the pics you provide are innacurate and irrelevant.
Re: Longer? [lemko]
by fintail on Mon Feb 25 08:32:19 PST 2008
The W126 was grossly expensive...but there seems to have been a lot of money floating around in the 80s, as every example brought over was sold with little hassle. It is this car from the import competition that really hurt Caddy - I believe some of Caddy's higher line buyers jumped ship and never came back (now they buy Lexus). They traded a little of the cush for amazing engineering and world beating handling for a car of the size. It occupied the top of the mass market, something Caddy might have had 20+ years before. I too wouldn't mind having a nice low mileage one...it's tempting to ditch the car payment and just find a mint 560SEL. The 190E was kind of a yuppie leasemobile of the time - it wasn't meant to be a real luxury competitor. The 35 year old professional of 1986 was never going to touch a Seville anyway. The 190 wasn't a horrible car, but not as overdone as some others. The old E-class is a very solid car. Every day out here I see at least a couple early E-class and W126. These are cars that can look very decent even at 300K+ miles. What was production of the Brougham after 1987 or so?
Re: CR kudos [backy]
by macsan on Sat Jan 12 21:14:18 PST 2008
Thank you everyone for your opinions. Yes, Backy I'm leaning more towards the A/T on the Honda Fit. Is the Fit any safer than the Elantra is what I meant. I tell u what , I can't get over how much fun I remember having when I drove the Fit, so much so that I 'm trying to get something that's at least close to being as fun to drive as the Fit. ( I test drove it four times) I drove the Sonata I4 and I didn't care for the way it rode .. Plenty of cushiness-too "Buicky" for me. Or "floaty" you know what I mean. I read various write ups on the Optima that said it had a good balance of comfort (cush) and sportiness in the suspension so I'm leaning more towards the Optima. I've noticed there are no 08 Optimas on any of the local dealer inventories here. 90% of them were 07 LX A/T with out the apperance pkg. Few were 07 EX's in the 23-24K range. Has anyone seen more recent pics of the Elantra Touring? Since we're talking about Optima's , being a midsize, what do you think of the new Chevy Malibu/ Accord etc.?
Re: quick Tire education question [bat1161]
by volkov on Thu Nov 01 10:19:25 PDT 2007
You can just install same size winter tires and go. With more and more vehicles now running bigger rims with smaller aspect ratio tires it is also common to get winter rims down one size and then run taller winter tires to get the same circumference. This gets two benefits. First, the rubber band winter tires can be hard to find and ++ expensive. Second, the taller tires add a little cush for the rougher roads we had here in winter. Biggest issue downsizing rims is brake clearance.

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