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Re: Where's bottom? [boaz47]

by murphydog on Sun Nov 02 09:34:14 PST 2008

Boarz47 - Thank you for your well reasoned posts. The issues that scares me here in the Pacific Northwest is how we get around - we have funny geography that limits the ability to make connections east/west and being a one party region we believe bus/light rail is the only solution. Case in point we are thinking of replace a 4 lane floating bridge with a 6 lane job (we have been thinking about this for ~ 20 years). The rub that I see is 6 lanes is not enough and we should build 8 lanes - especially when you factor in that cars are getting more efficient all the time. Who wouldn't drive a Volt back and forth on your own schedule instead of waiting for a train/bus and being subjected to somebody else's schedule - especially when the energy cost per passenger mile of most light rails systems is worse that driving a car. We have a massive ballot measure to build a few more miles of light rail, that would serve an incredible small % of commuters. Curious to see if it fails on Tuesday or not. I do get a chuckle though when I hear that Hugo guy is struggling with Oil being low - uh...what did he expect at a high price that everbody would take it in the shorts to make him happy? He and those fella's from Iran really killed their golden goose. Converting SUV factories to car factories is a major change not easy to undo - that kind of behavior cannot be un done easily - combine that with things like the Volt or that hydrogen car from Honda and it may get to the point where Oil from South America and the Middle east does not matter...I know wishful thinking but the low prices and inability for them to drive short term price via supply must be shocking. I love to see blow hards (HUGO!) fall on their face...

Re: Let's Thank The Speculators [duke23]

by dave8697 on Fri Sep 12 18:42:57 PDT 2008

It looks like IKE will directly hit a line of refineries as it goes onshore. The tidal surge reminds me of Hugo in early 90's that hit S. Carolina. I remember a picture of piled up sailboats 50' high after that one. I think it hit Myrtle Beach area.

Too slow / Too fast can each be annoying and dangerous

by skeptical on Sat Aug 09 20:29:48 PDT 2008

I'd say anyone who drives on either extreme end of the spectrum is potentially not only annoying but also dangerous to other drivers. But I do hope folks in general will slow down a tad to help with carbon emissions and safety. AND, yes I am certainly going to do what I can to get better MPG--for me (it's called being on a budget) and for the planet. And I do abhor our dependency on foreign oil and I'm so glad we are finally waking up (duh!) and will be tapping into our own resources like wind and solar energy... In terms of where we get our oil from-- From World Politics Review, I found this excerpt: "In May 2007, the United States imported 439 million barrels of oil and oil products from more than 70 countries. North American sources dominated, with Canada and Mexico providing more than a quarter of U.S. imports. Mexico provides about the same amount of oil as Saudi Arabia. Elsewhere in the Western hemisphere, despite thorny relations, Hugo Chavez's Venezuela is the United States' fourth largest oil supplier. In Africa, Nigeria, Algeria and Angola are the biggest U.S. source countries." --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------ In terms of the question: 'Will the Civic 09 get better MPG?'-- I don't know--good question! Maybe someone else knows?

Re: MINI [yesdiesel1]

by avalon02wh on Thu Jul 31 04:18:03 PDT 2008

"...and mandated that all OEM's offered at least 50 percent of there output with diesel American would be out of the so called fuel crisis and most of the way to cutting of the Putins and Hugo's of the world." Do you really want a mandate? Why not mandate people walk or bike to work if their commute is only a few miles. Or maybe we should mandate only small cars. You are also forgetting that diesel demand is rather robust right now - hence the higher price of diesel over RUG. Increasing the demand without a corresponding increase in supply will only increase the price. Refineries have not shifted enough production to diesel to bring down the price. Can they? In the next year if we do not see a big increase in diesel supply we can probably assume that diesel production is at the max. As a reminder, I have mentioned this a few times before :D , one only needs to look at what happened when Europe went to 50% diesel cars. Their refineries ended up with excessive gasoline that ended up in North America. More diesel demand in the U.S. will increase the price of diesel and lower the price of RUG. What you advocate (50% diesel) might just increase the price of diesel to $6 a gallon and bring RUG down to $3 a gallon. Sounds like a good idea to me. :shades:

Re: MINI [peachtree103]

by yesdiesel1 on Wed Jul 30 18:46:09 PDT 2008

Your not only right but it's even worse then what you have pointed out. Today a local radio talk guy thats very well liked by the over 35 set had a hour or more on fuel, oil, cars that save fuel and all the things that go with it. Did anyone on this show mention that if America just dumped CARB and EPA stopped sipping the anti diesel cool aid and mandated that all OEM's offered at least 50 percent of there output with diesel American would be out of the so called fuel crisis and most of the way to cutting of the Putins and Hugo's of the world. When are the American law makers, voters and OEM's going to wake up?

Re: newbie diesel question. [roland3]

by ruking1 on Sun Jul 13 09:04:52 PDT 2008

Indeed, just to implement the MTBF fiasco in CA was widely reported to be in the BILLIONS of dollars. As discussed in other and past posts AFTER the billions were invested in this, the legislature made it mandatory to remove MTBE !!!!!! Losses are of course HUGE and it was TOTALLY unnecessary!!!! Now I do not know how many CITGO operations are in the USA, but it is commonly known the parent company is the Venezuelan government, aka PRESIDENT HUGO Chavez. So the anti American rhetoric is funded by US dollars. Are folks knaive enough to believe the government of Venezuela does NOT have heavy lobby presence by way of Citgo in the Senate and House/CONGRESS? :lemon: ... "The company is owned by PDV America, Inc., an indirect, wholly owned subsidiary of Petróleos de Venezuela, S.A., the national oil company of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela."... So in passing, a local dollar spend locally has an 8 to 1 multiplier effect. So what do you think happens when the money goes off shore; like to Citgo, owned by the Venezuelan government, aka President Hugo Chavez? Funny how there is no anti Satan schtick and American devil EVIL minions on the Citgo.com web site link title It also doesn't make sense with the increased capacity, the gasser prices are still rising as the demand is supposed to be subsiding. Of course having said that it makes ALL the sense in the world!!!! Indeed your post shows even more graphically how much sense alternative fuel and localized bio diesel makes.. The real secret which is hidden in plain sight, is the logistical food chain really doesn't like alternative fuels. Indeed I do not like using E10 (as per Gagrice's post), (aka "oyxgenated fuel" which is mandated at certain times of the year in CA. As most are aware, the E10 fuel mileage is TERRIBLE!! E85 is even WORSE than that! E100? well I think folks get the slant of the slope here. Lets put it this way; if there were two pumps 1. e10 2. rug how many would chose the E10/aka #1? However I really think bio diesel makes almost no brainer sense. That however is one of its most vexing problems. Not to go on and on, but if the system REALLY wanted bio diesel to flourish, they would give deep tax credit/tax cut/ etc to using bio diesel in passenger cars. This is another no brainer as the red dye diesel program has been in place-forever. As the government has already documented, the passenger diesel population is already 2% down from less than 3%. An EXTREME MINORITY of that 2% (251.4M vehicles* 2%=FAR LESS than 5.028 M more like 1% or 50,280 CARS ) population uses bio diesel. Bio diesel of course can range from B5, B20,... to B100. You can mix your own. Indeed.... you can MAKE your own!!!???? :shades: