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Re: I should look at the bright side... [anythngbutgm]

by andre1969 on Tue Nov 18 06:14:55 PST 2008

Take the 4 Lambdas, how is that "Platform sharing"? All 4 have identical seating, identical AWD systems, identical engines, nearly identical dimensions and similar features. I can load up a Chevy Traverse to be the same amount as a GMC Arcadia. I can also load down a Buick to be cheaper than a Saturn. Truth is they all serve the exact same mission. Yay, so they have different sheetmetal, big whoop. They're clones. GMT-900, GMT-360 - clones The Aura, Malibu, G6 - clones Actually, I don't have too much of a problem with this, because at least it gives you some variety. For instance, I like the looks of the Saturn Aura better than that of the Malibu, and like them both better than the G6. Yet someone else might prefer the Malibu, while others may prefer the G6. So yeah, all the same basic car, just in different flavors to suit different tastes. However, now that these vehicles can all be equipped pretty much the same way, it does dilute their status in the overall brand hierarchy. For instance, once upon a time, a Pontiac was considered a better car than a Chevy, with Olds being another step up, then Buick, and Cadillac at the top. Now there was always some overlap...in fact, even way back in the 1950's, you could get a Buick Special cheaper than the cheapest Olds 88. And if you optioned up a Chevy Bel Air to where it was comparable, it was priced about the same as a Special. These days though, it's hard to really say a Saturn Aura is a nicer car than a Malibu. Yet I think the Malibu is nicer than the G6. But then the G6 has the convertible, sort of a premium body style that neither of the other two offer. One thing I always hated was when they'd just badge-engineer a car, changing simple things like the taillights, grille inserts, etc. Not even bothering to change the sheetmetal. The one advantage there though, is that it does make it easier to find replacement parts in the junkyard. :P

Re: I should look at the bright side... [Mr_Shiftright]

by anythngbutgm on Tue Nov 18 05:01:52 PST 2008

Platform sharing? Really? Take the 4 Lambdas, how is that "Platform sharing"? All 4 have identical seating, identical AWD systems, identical engines, nearly identical dimensions and similar features. I can load up a Chevy Traverse to be the same amount as a GMC Arcadia. I can also load down a Buick to be cheaper than a Saturn. Truth is they all serve the exact same mission. Yay, so they have different sheetmetal, big whoop. They're clones. GMT-900, GMT-360 - clones The Aura, Malibu, G6 - clones Future Saturn Vue, Chevy Cheapuinox, Pontiac Torent, 9-4x, SRX all based on "Theta". All identical sizes, same missions, same engine choices, transmission choices. The rebadging continues... :sick: Platform sharing IMO is taking an Accord and basing the Odyssey off of it. Or the Dodge Avenger/Journey.

Re: Likes and Dislikes of your 2009 Forester [amiller1]

by prndldriver on Thu Nov 13 08:13:55 PST 2008

I agree that there's lots of great info here about what people like and don't like about their Forester. I also love reading the reviews, in a different section on Edmunds. Thanks to all the posters! That said, I like the 09 Forester better than I thought I would. It's not as snazzy looking as perhaps the CR-V or the Outlander. But it is much more fun and easier to drive. I like the AWD much better than I had anticipated. I like wide expanse of the windows, the way the tires stick to the pavement while driving in the rain, the back seat configuration, the big 'trunk' area space, the way the interior lights go on when you close the passenger doors. For awhile, I thought the lower front passenger seat was weird, but now we've adjusted all the seats in front. The stereo could be much better. I had the Forester next to a CR-V in a parking lots recently and was surprised to compare that the Forester had much more 'trunk' area. I brought home an 8 ft ladder recently and had no problems fitting it in. :shades: I keep wishing that General Motors had built a car like this with safety features, decent gas mileage, $10,000 cheaper than the Arcadia, and all the other 09 Forester features.

Re: [laurasdada]

by hpowders on Mon Nov 10 14:31:25 PST 2008

As long as the regular folks who work there are guaranteed their pensions, I really don't care whether the government nationalizes GM or purges management with proven folks and tells the UAW to take a hike. What I do know is if the government does nothing except give GM money to stay afloat, they will only be prolonging inevitable bankruptcy-the equivalent of hooking someone brain dead to a respirator. I do strongly believe the government has no business interfering in competitive free-market business, whether it be banks, automobiles or airlines. Where is the incentive to excel if big brother will always be there for support? PS-Reports I have read indicate the Enclave and Arcadia are near the bottom of the heap regarding reliability. GM has had plenty of chances. It's time for a radical government overhaul or dissolution. Their stock price is on its way to zero.

Re: 62' [xrunner2]

by rockylee on Fri Nov 07 23:30:37 PST 2008

Apparently, GM moving over the benefits package to Union responsibility and control will not come in sufficient time to help GM. You are indeed correct xrunner !!! With a record low of 12 million vehicles being sold here in the U.S. has damaged everyone including hurting both Toyota and Honda. Next years forcast is expected to be worse !!! Is the wage scale still too high? Are you being serious or sarcastic ??? :confuse: If you are being serious which you might be then one should note that the new hire employees which will be the majority by next year don't remotely make even close to the veterans you read about in the newspaper. Working for GM, isn't a good job anymore and from what I know well their is like 10,000 UAW employees looking for plants to transfer too because there plant is closing. That number is expected to rise due to a possible merger with Chrysler and scaled back production of certain makes and models !!! Most of the vets have taken one of the buy-out packages or if they have enough seniority will retire !!! No pension plan is available for the new hires and the wage scale is a two-tier type. :cry: :sick: What about the duplicity, triplicity, etc of costs of having way too many brands/models. I agree the badge engineering is a joke xrunner !! I was at my former employers dealership last week and checked out the Traverse. It's a decent automobile but my gawd it's a rebadged Acadia, but I like the Acadia, design better. They made plenty of this type of crossover thus why add one to Chevrolet ??? Why not make something more along the lines of the VUE for Chevrolet ??? I can see maybe rebadging one or two others but at least make them a lot different. The Enclave, looks different from the Acadia, but the Traverse, Arcadia, Outlook, look way to much a like !!! :confuse: :confuse: :confuse: :confuse: FYI Lemko: My brother purchased a new 08' Impala, from my best friend. She hooked him up with a great deal. $26,565 sticker with GMS and rebates and dealer coupons he was able to get it for like $17,700 + TTL and just loves it. :) If Obama gives GM a billions package, what will they do with it? Just the same old stuff or would they do serious restructuring including jetison of some brands. GM should be required to give a believable/palpable restructuring plan to Obama and his Treasury Secretary before a U.S. check is cut to GM. I'm okay with that xrunner !!! Throwing money at something with no realistic plan will not solve the problem !!! -Rocky

Local dealer

by michaell on Fri Nov 07 22:21:05 PST 2008

Whilst running errands today at lunch I decided to stop by the local Chevrolet / Pontiac / Buick / GMC / Hummer dealer (what can I say - I live in a small town!). Some random observations: 1. Because of all the brands, there are 3 variations of the Lambda CUV on the lot - Traverse, Enclave and Arcadia. Seems like overkill. 2. Speaking of the Lambdas, I saw one Traverse stickered at $42K and an Enclave at $45K! OMFG! I thought about recommending the Enclave to my sister (who is looking for a 3-row CUV or SUV), but I had no idea they could get that expensive. How much in incentives are available for these things? 3. There was a managers special car parked out front - an untitled 2007 Buick Lacrosse CXL, black with tan interior. 3.6L V6 with the 4-speed auto. MSRP was $32K, but the "sale" price was a low, low $25K. Yeah, right. Makes you wonder what the dealer would offer as the trade in value if Grandma came in with that exact car with 5K on the odometer. That amount plus about 7-10% would be what I would pay for it. 4. I don't think I've ever seen so many fuel efficient cars for sale at this dealer before. Since we're semi-rural, the dealership did most of its business in SUV's and trucks. No more - there were a couple of Aveo's, about 8-10 G5's and Cobalts, a couple of Malibu hybrids and a few HHR's, Vibe's (including a leftover 2008) and 4-cylinder G6's available.