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Re: Hydro Assist Fuel Cell [texases]

by mort4371 on Mon May 19 08:41:36 PDT 2008

Re "burning water" Don't even bother with the people now and in days to come who bring that stuff here. Separating water into hydrogen and oxygen consumes the exact (for discussion purposes) same amount of energy that burning the hydrogen (combining it back into water) produces. And, since no system or cycle runs at 100% efficiency, you actually get back *less* energy. Picture a long rod with two heavy, equally weighted balls on the two ends. It is on a spindle in the center, so it can rotate. If you give it a spin, it will spin for a while, slowing down, and eventually stop. Friction losses. NOW, here's my pitch: I'm going to tell you that the energy produced by the falling ball on this same setup is somehow enough to raise the ball on the other end of the rod. AND turn a generator to provide my home with free electricity, AND overcome all the friction losses. All I have to do is give this baby one spin, walk away, and it will forever provide my home with a few kilowatts of free power, using nothing but gravity! "Power your home for FREE using a force as old as Newton -- GRAVITY!!! Tell the electric company to hit the road!!!!" (Sounds good! Maybe I should be a shyster too. lol) As ridiculous as that sounds, it's no different that someone telling you that you can use a car engine to generate electricity, which will be used to generate hydrogen from water, which will be burned back into water in that engine, producing yet more electricity, to make yet more hydrogen, etc, etc, etc...AND move your car down the road in the process.

not to pick on...

by explorerx4 on Wed Apr 11 17:07:23 PDT 2007

mr. waltrip, he has plenty of other troubles, but i am assuming the vehicle 'had' esc. from jayski: Michael Waltrip Charged After Vehicle Accident Saturday: UPDATE: Statement from Waltrip: #55-Michael Waltrip is charged with reckless driving and failure to report an accident after a crash on Molly's Backbone Road in Catawba County. The Highway Patrol says Waltrip was driving about 70 miles per hour in the 55 mile-per-hour zone when he went off the right side of the road in a curve around 1:50 a.m. Saturday. His car then traveled back across the pavement and off the left side of the roadway, sliding sideways and striking a utility pole as it overturned. The car then rolled over and came to a rest on its side. Troopers said a witness saw Waltrip crawl out of the vehicle and leave the scene. When a trooper went to his home around 2:30 a.m. no one was there, but when he went back at 8 a.m. he found Waltrip, who admitted he'd fallen asleep at the wheel. Waltrip, with scratches on his face and some deep cuts on his finger, spoke with Eyewitness News about the crash. He said he was on his way home to Sherill's Ford from Charlotte. "I was almost home. I relaxed a little bit and ran off the road," he explained. "I woke up with gravel hitting the car and I tried to correct but it was too late. The seasoned driver says he instinctively got out of his car, and then decided to walk home because he often runs the route and was only a mile away. Waltrip will be in court in Newton on May 14.(WSOCTV.com)(4-10-2007) UPDATE: Michael Waltrip was uninjured in a single car accident Friday night near his home in Sherrills Ford, N.C. The 43-year old was returning from Charlotte, N.C. when he fell asleep at the wheel within a mile of his home and ran off the road, striking a telephone pole. “I am really embarrassed about the accident, but I feel fortunate that I wasn’t hurt,” said Waltrip. “For 25 years I have had a great driving record. I consider myself to be a courteous and safe driver on public roads. I never expected to fall asleep behind the wheel of a car.” The North Carolina Highway Patrol ticketed Waltrip for reckless driving (admitting to falling asleep at the wheel) and failure to notify authorities of an accident in a timely manner.(MWR PR)(4-10-2007)

ahem

by the_big_h on Tue Jan 07 13:27:55 PST 2003

read closely, the torque numbers are in NEWTON-METERS (Nm), not ft/lb 216 Nm ~ 159 ft/lb

Formulas, part 1 - Apple to apple

by fdion on Tue Aug 20 20:20:03 PDT 2002

Greg, There is no single equation. Well, there is F=ma, but you need some meat around it. And to think that somehow car performance is in relation with an apple falling on someone's head... Sir Isaac Newton would outshine Seinfeld if he were alive. Since there is no solution in a box, I just went with what I knew of physics and math and read a bit more on the areas I was weak in, such as meteorology (pressure, humidity, temperature and their relation with air density). Over the years I've been able to gather some info left and right, and at some point all the physics classes I took finally made sense. I dont know if this is more detail than you want, but here we go: For some reason, manufacturers insist on pushing HP as the be all, end all figure to determine the performance of a car. Peak torque is more of a factor if you have to choose between the two, with peak HP only giving an idea of the width of the powerband. For 0-60, 1/4 mile and the like, torque is the only way to calculate directly acceleration. So to compare apples to apples, we need to convert everything to the same thing. If you have an HP value, you have to convert it to torque first anyway. Now all the explanations that I've seen of how you convert between torque and HP, altough come up with the right answer, seem shaky or imcomplete. I've even seen people saying "this is what it is, if you dont like it, tough!". Hopefully my explanation doesn't fall into that category! From my physics classes in college (anybody remembers the right hand rule to determine the direction of torque in relation to force and moment arm?): Torque is defined as a measure of how much a force acting on a object makes it turn around a pivot. It is represented mathematically as: t = l x F x sin (a) (1) l is the moment arm (lenght) F is the force a is the angle between F and l We also know that F = power / speed (2) Equations 1 and 2 are simply mathematical definitions of these abstract concepts. We will come back to them later. Now horsepower (HP) is another abstract concept that dates back to the time horses did the work (no kidding). It was officially defined as raising by 1 foot 33000 lbs in one minute. Not exactly obvious, right. HP = 33,000 ft lbs / m So what is the relation between HP and torque? From (1) and (2) we know that (replacing F in equation 1 with equation 2 right hand side): t = l x power/speed x sin (a) We can also simplify this knowing that l = 1 foot and a = 90 (sin(90)=1), because the force is applied tangentially, with no radial component. Simple trigonometry, but I can explain this further if need be. t = 1 x power/speed x 1 or t = power/speed (3) Power, if expressed as 1 HP, we know is 33,000 ftlbs/m. Speed is going to be circumference x rpm which comes out as 2 x PI x rpm. t = 33,000/(2xPIxrpm) = 5252.11 / rpm This is for 1 HP (33,000 ftlbs/m). It's easy to see that for rpm = 5252.11, torque and HP are equal, while for rpm 5252 the HP will be greater than the torque. Now, let's figure out this equation for P HP: t = (5252.11/rpm) * P or t = P x 5252.11 ----------- rpm or flipping torque and hp: P = t * rpm ------- 5252.11 Since the two are interchangeable when you know the rpm, we might as well only use torque from now on, that will save us from multiplying by the rpm and dividing by 5252.11. We are now ready to go to part 2, F = ma

The Blue book Value for this vehicle is

by akin67 on Sat Oct 27 08:40:13 PDT 2001

I am not sure who uses Edmunds TMV but I can tell you that every dealer I went to always referred to the Blue Book Value. From Yahoo I obtained 2 numbers the first is a Trade in value which is $23,455 and the second is the retail value which is $28,570. I just did a search on Yahoo in the classfied section for a 2000 Odyssey. It yileded 25 results. Unfortunately it doesn't differentiate between LX/EX models. Here is a current listing on Yahoo sorted in descending price order: Price ($) Miles Location   33000  4000 Jersey City, NJ   28995  14692 Newton, NJ   28888  28212 Union, NJ   28535  12795 Verona, NJ   27995  19343 Lawrenceville, NJ   27995  26359 Newton, NJ   27995  26359 Newton, NJ   27895  12781 Verona, NJ   27895  12781 Freehold, NJ   27895  12781 Verona, NJ   27595  29152 Jersey City, NJ   27595  29152 Jersey City, NJ   27595  29152 Jersey City, NJ   26950  13069 Marlton, NJ   26495  6312 West Caldwell, NJ   25595  16875 Eatontown, NJ   25495  26350 Old Bridge, NJ   25495  26350 Old Bridge, NJ   24995  16875 Eatontown, NJ   24995  41014 Little Falls, NJ   23995  16519 Eatontown, NJ   22995  13983 Eatontown, NJ   22995  16519 Eatontown, NJ   21995  13983 Eatontown, NJ   21900  15000 Woodbridge, NJ Judge for yoursef as to what they are going for.

2002 - All stuf you already know...but anyway

by rexconde1 on Tue Jun 12 06:11:57 PDT 2001

Mercedes engineers have completely redeveloped the standard automatic climate control system and equipped it with the latest technical features. Attractively styled controls with integral keys for the automatic mode, air recirculation and other functions ensure convenient operation and adjustment of this highly efficient system, which also allows the climate in the rear to be suitably adjusted thanks to an auxiliary fan and separate ventilation nozzles. The new ML 500, which replaces the current ML 430, offers an even better performance. Its V8 engine develops a torque of 440 Newton metres from 2700 rpm and accelerates the M-Class from standstill to 100 km/h in just 7.7 seconds. The maximum speed of the new ML 500 is 221 km/h. Externally the new V8-models in the M-Class are distinguishable by discreet chrome trim on the radiator grille vanes, on the door handles and on the handle of the tailgate, as well as by their special wheel design. In future the status of the ML 55 AMG, with its 255-kW/347-hp high-performance V8 engine, as the top-of-the-line model in the M-Class range will be emphasised even more strongly by a silver-painted radiator grille. In addition to the two new V8 models ML 400 CDI and ML 500, as well as the ML 55 AMG, the five-cylinder diesel engine of the ML 270 CDI and the V6 petrol engine of the ML 320 continue to be available for the M-Class. Diesel=NO US Mercedes-Benz is providing even more comprehensive occupant protection in the M-Class with standard windowbags, which instantly deploy across the insides of the side windows like a curtain in the event of a lateral collision. Around 200 centimetres long and 500 millimetres high, these air cushions supplement the protective action of the sidebags in the doors. Additional driving safety is also provided by the innovative bi-xenon headlamps, which Mercedes-Benz has previously used in the top coupés of the CL-Class. Thanks to gas discharge technology, these headlamps generate twice the lighting power of conventional halogen headlamps and ensure even better illumination of the road surface both with dipped and high beam. In conjunction with these bi-xenon headlamps Mercedes-Benz provides a sensor-activated headlamp beam control system and a high-pressure cleaning system for the transparent headlamp lenses. Like all the latest Mercedes passenger car models, the M-Class will also feature a special light sensor on the windscreen that automatically switches on the external vehicle lights when dusk falls. Known as Headlamp Assist, this system is standard equipment in the four-wheel-drive M-Class. At the same time, the parking aid PARKTRONIC will become available as optional equipment for the M-Class.