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Re: Scion [boaz47]
by gagrice on Sat Nov 01 07:29:18 PDT 2008
Next time I am in your town I'll contact you and you can buy a light lunch, at Anthony's? I am just 30 miles due East of Anthony's on Harbor Dr. I live at the 2000 foot level of Alpine with a view of Coronado and Pt Loma on a clear day. I love it up here away from the maddening crowd. What part of the desert do you live? We go out to see the flowers and get Medjool dates. I think Scion made a mistake doing away with the BOX look of the xB. We actually went and sat in one and liked it. The dealer thought it was worth over $20k and we left. They seem to hold their value used at least the last time I looked on Craigslist for one.
Re: No [1stpik]
by andys120 on Sat Sep 06 10:45:22 PDT 2008
Your point about mileage is a good one, I haven't seen a good citation concerning the relative fuel efficiencies of gas vs diesel vs CNG in vehicular use. If it were 10-15% less efficient it might be a worthwhile alternative depending on pricing. The fact is that there already thousands of vehicles running on CNG, due to the lack of infrastructure, most are in municipal vehicles, transit systems and commercial fleets. When I was in Mesa AZ (pop 432,000) I noticed that almost all city-owned vehicles were CNG including the cop cars. The real question in my mind is exactly how large are domestic reserves? They aren't large in relative terms, most NG reserves are in Russia and the Middle East. There are plenty of non-vehicular uses for it, NG is the most common heating fuel in America and it powers the majority of our electrical plants where it's favored because it burns cleaner than coal (I'll address nuclear later). We do in fact already import a good deal of gas, every three months or so the USCG bars all movement in Boston Harbor in order to prevent sabotage or damage to gi-normous LNG tanker coming in from Algeria. Tanker entering Boston Harbor with East Boston and Logan airport ahead, the Zakim Bridge to Charlestown behind> Everett Ma, 6 or 7 miles from Downtown Boston> Nice view from those condos, eh? I don't deny that CNG might be a part of any comprehensive energy solution but we'd better take a good look at it before we by the contentions of the industry at face value, It's the same-quasi-monopolistic industry that controls the gasoline, heating oil and diesel markets. I feel similarly about nuclear and all-electric cars. Nuclear plants can be clean and safe. I know guys who've worked with it in US Naval warships but their are tremendous waste disposal problems associated with it. I support it for now but it's a deal w the Devil. We are likely many decades away from all-electric cars as real alternatives to vehicles as we now use them.
Re: Honda Fit, Corolla or Elantra? [backy]
by skeptical on Sat Aug 09 17:44:41 PDT 2008
Backy, Re: "But I think it would be more helpful to prospective buyers to talk about the merits (or demerits) of the cars themselves rather than opinions about whether lots of people would never touch a Korean car and whether CR roots for underdogs or not. Personally I don't find those kinds of comments particularly useful to someone trying to decide between different cars." Well, I respectfully disagree. We all contribute different things when such a broad question is tossed out, depending on who we are, what our style is, what we value to include in the decision making process of acquiring a new car... So not all responses are going to focus ONLY on concrete data--and if they did, that would be rather limiting in my view--you can go to Edmunds or CR for that--it's all there in Black and White... What makes responses fuller and more interesting on a forum like this IMO are personal testimonies (both positive and negative) -- as well those little tidbits of info you might not find so readily elsewhere--this only enriches the conversation, in my view. So I disagree with your suggestion that we should ignore something like a stigma outright (could be important info. for re-sale and maybe there is even a grain of truth to the stigma). And I don't think data such as what motivates CR (an organization which I subscribe to and love, btw) should be censored out either. These are relevant and very real (albeit periphery and not as central) issues, and IMO they only enrich the decision making process by providing important context. Why not let the buyer ultimately decide herself/himself what to toss out and what to consider? And BTW, If you look at all my posts re: this very big sort of question, I did include concrete pros and cons replete with referrals and suggestions re: the cars themselves-- including the new alarming fuel pump issue, which should be duly noted, IMO. On a personal note, I think the stigma is a sad thing, and hopefully it will slowly erode-- whether or not it is fully deserved (likely not) is an entirely different issue. In any case, I think it's great your personal experience with Hyundai has been so positive--the Elantra sounds like it's really served you well, and it's been a good fit for your needs-- and maybe it will be just the ticket for Clemence too! There sure are many happy Elantra owners out there, and it sounds like Clemence stumbled upon a good offer (surprising to hear at this late stage of 08 with so few SE Automatics left on the lot...) (Clemence--hope our responses helped in some small way and hope you let us know what you went with! :) I'm truly sorry for the misunderstanding, backy. Fwiw, I harbor no hard feelings...respectful disagreements and debate is very healthy--I agree with you there!

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