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Re: Steve...... [imidazol97]

by rockylee on Sun Nov 16 16:12:40 PST 2008

Well I think you should be asked to bail them out because people who vote for pseudo-capitalist politicians are partially responsible for their their failings. It's not General Motors, fault or the UAW's fault that people vote in treasonist politicians that support un free trade after we've seen what it leads too. I'm sorry Dayton's once very proud automobile industry sector has left town and I can sympathize very much with the people who've lost their jobs. I refuse to support any politician who's econimic agenda is more FREE TRADE !!! Why should these union folks be asked to give up their modest pension and health benefits ??? Why don't you ask your elected leaders to address these issues ??? I know one of your elected leaders in Ohio, Dennis Kucinich is very anti NAFTA, GATT, WTO !!!! Why should the small fry always be asked to sacrifice ??? I read the other day that something like $9,000,000,000 of your tax money is going towards executive compensation for this bailout but nobody says anything about that !!!! Why ??? :confuse: I think our society is insane !!! The wealthy never get criticized for their actions yet people who've worked at a place for nearly 30 years for one of the biggest employers are being yet again asked to sacrifice which tells you that their is something very wrong with this country's way of thinking !!!!! :sick: -Rocky

Re: Steve...... [rockylee]

by imidazol97 on Sun Nov 16 15:50:01 PST 2008

>If you average the new hires wages and benefits I think it's time for the highly paid veterans to give up some pay and benefits to save their industry instead of asking the rest of America to bail out their jobs. Oddly no one was real concerned as 95% of the auto industry jobs left the Dayton area. So I'm not real hot on paying taxes to bailout the rest of the auto industry jobs for those who want to bailout the UAW. Note I don't mind bailing out GM after we've bailed out the financial goofball buddies of the congress to help cover their mistakes. But I don't like bailing out the highly paid veterans with their 100% retirement and 100% healthcare and 100% this and that. Time for concessions, boys.

Re: Oh BTW [sixfive]

by rockylee on Wed Nov 12 11:55:27 PST 2008

Well they didn't build those plants in Dayton, Cincy, Cleveland, Akron, thus they might as well built em' in the south because only ignorant people like "Joe the unlicensed plumber" would work at one of those mind control, sweat shops !!! ;) -Rocky

Re: 50 billions to UAW workers? [rockylee]

by gagrice on Mon Nov 10 06:57:31 PST 2008

that a entry level job at the car plants is $14 an/hr. and ask what will that get you in Dayton, Ohio ??? A Chevy Aveo and a efficiency apartment ???? Have you followed the news on the mortgage meltdown. Not everyone can afford a home in the burbs. You seem to think a person should start at the top of the food chain. When I started in 1961 with Pacific Telephone it was near minimum wage. It took 6 years to reach the top pay as part of the Union Contract. You think a school teacher today starts at $14 per hour? Most that I know work several years as a substitute here in CA and AK. Here is what is required in CA and the current pay: CBEST (California Basic Educational Skill Test) CBEST is a requirement of the State of California, as well as the Newport-Mesa Unified School District, for someone who has not taught during the 30 months prior to new employment in a California Public School and for all out-of-state applicants. Applicants holding a valid California Credential are eligible to sign a CBEST waiver providing they supply passing results two months from the date that the next available test is given. If passing results are not received, such persons will be terminated. Information bulletins regarding CBEST requirements may be obtained from any California school district, university, college, or the Orange County Department of Education. SALARY RATE The salary rate for substitute teachers for the current school year is: * $100.00 Daily Rate * $115.00 Long Term (after 15th consecutive day-retro to 1st day) * $50.00 Half Day That is $12.50 per hour based on an 8 hour day. They are expected to do extra after school activities plus grading homework at home. If you are a good teacher and the Principle LIKES you, and he has an opening you may get hired permanently starting at about $32k per year. I doubt Michigan pays any better than CA. The Baby Boomers had a good run. It is over and you need to realize that. It is not going to get better before it gets worse.

Re: 50 billions to UAW workers? [imidazol97]

by rockylee on Mon Nov 10 06:16:22 PST 2008

Are we going to add another $50 billion with more than half going to support UAW overpaid wages and benefits? Well I would like you to define what overpaid means ??? You know darn well Keith, what those folks in the GM, plants are really getting with this two-tier wage system. If Uncle Sam, doesn't save these three large corporations because certain members many of which were recently voted for back in office support unfree-trade then just what in the heck are these folks suppose to do. I hear so many folks gripe and complain about how great these people have yet they themselves thought they were to good to go work in a car factory back in the day !!! I wish my generation had the opportunity of yours to make a good living making cars or car parts !!! GM, agreed to the define pension plan and invested plenty of money at the right times back a few years ago when the stock-market was booming to pay for retiree healthcare costs !!! It amazes me just how uneducated Faux News, is on the subject and they showed their right-winged biased all morning on "Faux and Friends" enough to make me puke everytime I hear them say "fair and balanced" CNBC, had Michigan's Govenor Jennifer Granholm, whom I admire a lot because she has tried harder than anyone to close down free trade and support the automobile industry and labor unions !!! If we can throw $85 billion so far at AIG, we can sure loan GM, the money !!! I can guarantee you one damn thing and that is Barack Obama, will fix this economy !!!! It will take him two-terms to rid ourselves of failed Bush Economics, but I have confidence that this community organizer ya'll love to hate will succeed at being a successful president !!! He has top people around him for advisors including some republicans !!! If the UAW would take another wage cut and cut the benefits they're wanting US to pay for, that would be different. I just saw a FoxNews interview with a Union person not wanting to lower anything--just give them the money. Are you still mad about the election as to why you would say something like this ??? You know from several posting from me and others that a entry level job at the car plants is $14 an/hr. and ask what will that get you in Dayton, Ohio ??? A Chevy Aveo and a efficiency apartment ???? That would be like me saying school teachers are over-paid, right ??? Your spouse is a school teacher, right ??? Many on the right think they should have their wages slashed as well something I don't support !!! You rail on the UAW, but did not say anything regarding the compensation or golden parachutes these executives have in place. If anything the government should put a statue of limitations on executive compensation packages !!! Don't tell me you wouldn't attract the best and brightest because you've seen just what kind of talent Detriot's Big 3 has attracted with their recent launches they've released !!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: Have a great day imidazol97 !!! :) :) :) :) -Rocky

Filled up from about 3 gallons left

by imidazol97 on Sat Nov 08 18:11:32 PST 2008

for $1.85 at Mobile. No discount or anything. Straight price. Amazing. Absolutely amazing. The Dayton map of the circle freeway and inside has two stations over $2.00