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Re: it's not a bad deal but... [joel0622]

by duke23 on Mon Nov 10 21:23:36 PST 2008

joel0622 wrote: " If Chryslers Power train Warranty is the same as Fords here is what it cover. " Very similar, possibly identical. It took some digging but here's what the Chrysler powertrain warranty covers; Covered parts include: (Gas engine) cylinder block and all internal parts; cylinder head assemblies; timing case, timing chain, timing belt, gears and sprockets; vibration damper; oil pump; water pump and housing; intake and exhaust manifolds; flywheel with starter ring gear; core plugs; valve covers; oil pan; turbocharger housing and internal parts; turbocharger wastegate actuator; supercharger; serpentine belt tensioner; seals and gaskets for listed components only. Transmission: transmission case and all internal parts; torque converter; drive/flex plate; transmission range switch; transmission control module; bell housing; oil pan; seals and gaskets for listed components only. Manual transmission clutch parts are NEVER covered. Front Wheel Drive: transaxle case and all internal parts; axle shaft assemblies; constant velocity joints and boots; differential cover; oil pan; transaxle speed sensors; transaxle solenoid assembly; PRNDL position switch; transaxle electronic controller; torque converter; seals and gaskets for listed components only. Again, manual transmission clutch parts are NOT covered. All Wheel Drive (AWD): power transfer unit and all internal parts; viscous coupler; axle housing and all internal parts; constant velocity joints and boots; driveshaft and axle shaft assemblies; differential carrier assembly and all internal parts; output ball bearing; output flange; end cover; overrunning clutch; vacuum motor; torque tube; pinion spacer and shim, seals and gaskets for listed components only. Rear Wheel Drive: rear axle housing and all internal parts; axle shafts; axle shaft bearings; drive shaft assemblies; drive shaft center bearings; universal joints and yokes; seals and gaskets for listed components only. Four-Wheel Drive (4X4): transfer case and all internal parts; transfer case control module and shift mode motor assembly; axle housing and all internal parts; axle shafts; axle shaft bearings; drive shafts assemblies (front and rear); drive shaft center bearings; universal joints and yokes; disconnect housing assembly; seals and gaskets for the listed components only. This forum was in defib, but now there's a rhythm. Faint though.

Re: Comparison of the Mazda 6i Touring vs. the Honda EX [runningdoc]

by ohblue on Sun Nov 02 08:25:37 PST 2008

Just a heads-up. When I spoke to my dealer initially, I told them I thought I was S Plan, but wasn't sure, and he told me if I wasn't (I was), they'd still give it to me for S Plan, less the $400 rebate. Give it a shot. Make sure you test drive both. The seats are known to be uncomfortable to some in the Accord (there's a thread over on the Accord forum). I tested 3 Accords in one day and each hurt my (previously injured) back (then I found the Edmund's thread). No problems w/ the 6. I do like the pattern of the cloth seating in the EX better than the Zebra pattern in the 6, but if you get the convenience package, you get lots of leather in the 6. I think the 6's manual is WAY better than the Honda's. The handling and quietness are better in the 6 as well. I think the Mazda has a little more pickup in standing starts, even though it's 20 hp less. I can't stand the center stack in the Accord, either. I was shocked..40+ buttons? If you are getting the moonroof, you'll get the upgraded stereo, which is much better than the one in the Accord. The keyless features are pretty cool/convenient. You are right though, Honda's are pretty much bulletproof. We have a 5 year old Pilot w/ not one problem. I have about 500 miles on my 6i roof/stereo/conv. package and I have NO regrets. My wife smiles every time she drives it. We went through a Taco Bell drive-thru Friday night and the girl told my wife, "Cool car! What kind is it?" :)

2006 Ody NAVI - Very Slooooooooooow (Possible Solution)

by 2006odyowner on Fri Oct 17 07:48:30 PDT 2008

Just purchased a 2006 Odyssey Touring DVD + NAV 2 days ago. We tested all the bells and whistles - amazed at what these cars can do now. At any rate, we have been driving it for 2 days and the NAVI was dog slow. The dealer told us he had to replace the battery recently and so he attributed it everything loading back in. But this thing was acting like a 386mHz processor with 64MB of RAM. It was just plain sluggish. I am here to tell you that I found the solution to my problem and I hope it helps others out there as a POSSIBLE cause to your issues. Symptoms : 1. NAVI system took almost a full 2 minutes to boot and sitting on the Disclaimer screen with no OK button. 2. After starting the car and putting it in Reverse, the Backup camera did not come on and wouldn't come on even when you sat there for 2 minutes. 3. Once the backup camera finally did come on, it would stay on for a good 30 seconds while in Drive. You could see the road behind you. 4. Voice activation commands were spotty at best. Radio On would work but not Radio Off. Could never get Climate Control commands to work. 5. The entire system would just lockup completely for minutes with none of the buttons working. Solution : I have been pouring over this forum and other forums looking to see if anyone had my same problem. I couldn't find a single thread that had all my problems or one that offered an exact solution. However, I tried all the tricks that people suggested and it gave me some insight into how this system works. I went into the Diagnostics menu (Map/Guide + Cancel + Menu) and did a full diagnostics. Everything was reported to be working fine which baffled me. Mic was ok and registering. It picked up my voice very clearly. I even went as far as clearing the SRAM??? but that didn't do anything except make me re-enter the PIN to the system. Then I read a post from someone who suggested "Downloading" the DVD again. Rather it was for another solution but it gave me the idea to at least try it. So after you get to the Diagnostics menu I think you go to Version. When you get to that screen there is a "DownLoad" button. I tried that and it took forever to change screens (my first hint). Once it did the screen went blank and said something like "Downloading software....". Shortly thereafter I got a message to check my disc (my second hint) and the download failed. I did what I was told and checked the disc. I searched the forums and found out how to do this. Go under the driver's seat, hit the glowing button to open the panel. Once that is open, press the eject button on the NAVI DVD player. The disc popped out and I inspected it. And there it was.....a 2 inch wide scuff mark from the center to the edge of the DVD. It looked like someone dragged the DVD on something, but only on that one side. This made sense to me but not completely. I was onto something! How could I eliminate the DVD from this equation and see if it makes a difference? The ultimate answer is to get a new DVD, but I didn't have one. So I turned the car off and turned it back on without the DVD in the drive. As expected I got an error message on my screen about not finding a DVD or the door was open. How could I bypass this? Did any of the buttons work and could I still use Voice Activation? I pressed the Voice Activation button and nothing! Dang! Then I tried to see if I could change the screen display. Sure enough I pressed the Audio button and the radio display came on. Cool! I then tried the Voice Activation button again and it worked! I proceeded to try the Voice Commands again. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM WORKED!! I worked the Climate Controls, the Radio, the Menus...everything. It was beautiful! Oooh, but would this fix the backup camera? I did that all last night and decided to go to bed. This morning I turned the key on and popped out the DVD that I put back in last night. I started the car and put it in reverse immediately. The BACKUP CAMERA worked instantly. I put it into Drive and it WENT OFF IMMEDIATELY! Conclusion : With the Navigation System "disabled" the system is working flawlessly. It seems that my bad disc is really stressing the system and preventing things to work in a timely manner and its my opinion that these things are "timing out". Its like the CPU is maxed out and it just can't function. I have a new DVD on order and I don't know how everything will react. Part of me doesn't know if my system will slow down a little once I get the DVD. The Navigation System is huge and takes a lot of resources to run. However, I think I found the problem and I am elated to know that my system is going to be OK. I hope this helps someone but at the same time, please correct me if any of my statements are incorrect. I am new to the Honda Navigation family and my statements are merely assumptions based on my observations. Once I get my new DVD, I will update this post to let everyone know how it turned out!

Re: Magnum P.I. [1stpik]

by guss on Tue Aug 26 07:54:29 PDT 2008

I remember the first car I sat in with telescoping steering, a Mazda6 , I thought I died and gone to heaven. I of course bought the car. Whomever invented the telescoping wheel should be given a Nobel prize. Now the person that came up with the center stack that intrudes into the foot well should be shot. Many cars I have loved until I got behind the wheel and my right leg stick up at an uncomfortable angle because on the tunnel. I guess a 36" inseam is at the far end of the bell curve when they are designing interiors.

2008 Accord Sedan Electronics Installation

by guitar4him on Sat Aug 09 11:19:57 PDT 2008

Since I got my 2008 Accord Sedan, I've installed several electronic goodies. In the past, I've seen posts to the forum inquiring about installation ideas. Perhaps these pictures will help if anyone is wanting some installation ideas. So far, I've installed: - Digital Indoor-Outdoor Thermometer - Garmin Streetpilot 2610 GPS - MyFi XM Satellite Radio - Scangauge II One of my goals in the installation was to avoid drilling any holes, if possible, in any part of the car. The wires going into the armrest console, which you can see in one of the pictures, could have been hidden inside the center console. However, it would have been necessary to drilll a hole in the bottom of the console. As it is, I can remove all the devices and there is no trace that they were ever there. The thermometer is a Bell Slim Indoor/Outdoor Thermometer, available from AutoZone for $9.99. It mounts with double-stick tape perfectly under the left air conditioning duct. The wire for the sensor routes easily behind some panels under the dash and goes through a hole in the firewall that Honda provides for such things. To access the hole, you have to remove a rubber plug. I routed the wire around on the driver's side of the engine compartment and mounted the sensor as shown in the second picture. The sensor mounts with double-stick tape. http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f5/Guitar4Him_Photos/2008%20Honda%20Accord/The- rmometer-1.jpg http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f5/Guitar4Him_Photos/2008%20Honda%20Accord/The- rmometer-2.jpg The Garmin GPS and the MyFi XM Satellite Radio both have "cigarette-lighter" plugs for their power. To provide power, I fashioned a single cable that plugs into the power adapter socket in the center armrest console compartment. I then routed (hidden) a wire under the edge of the center console up to the area below and behind the radio console. There, I connected the wire to a Y-adatper from Radio Shack that allowed me to plug both power adapters into. The mount for the MyFi is an Arkon 15" Flexible Gooseneck Steel Mounting Pedestal. It can be purchased online from the XM Fan Store. The bottom of the Arkon bracket attaches to the front, left bolt that mounts the passenger seat to the floor. Adapters are available for many different satellite radio models, as well as, IPOD's and MP3 players. A line runs from the MyFi, underneath the edge of the center console and back to the AUX input in the center armrest console compartment. I tried several mounting schemes for the XM Satellite antenna, but finally ended up placing it at the rear of the hood. It's a magnetic-mount and I know that eventually, it will haze my clearcoat where it mounts, but, I bought the car to drive and will probably keep it until the wheels fall off, so I'm not all that concerned. Reception is great with that mounting location and I almost never experience a dropout. Here's some pictures of the GPS and satellite radio installation... http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f5/Guitar4Him_Photos/2008%20Honda%20Accord/Acc- ord_Electronics-1.jpg http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f5/Guitar4Him_Photos/2008%20Honda%20Accord/Acc- ord_Electronics-2.jpg http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f5/Guitar4Him_Photos/2008%20Honda%20Accord/Acc- ord_Electronics-3.jpg http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f5/Guitar4Him_Photos/2008%20Honda%20Accord/Acc- ord_Electronics-4.jpg http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f5/Guitar4Him_Photos/2008%20Honda%20Accord/Acc- ord_Electronics-5.jpg http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f5/Guitar4Him_Photos/2008%20Honda%20Accord/Acc- ord_Electronics-6.jpg http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f5/Guitar4Him_Photos/2008%20Honda%20Accord/Acc- ord_Electronics-7.jpg http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f5/Guitar4Him_Photos/2008%20Honda%20Accord/Acc- ord_Electronics-8.jpg The final item is the ScanGauge II. I used the supplied Velcro to mount it on the dash ledge in front of the display. It doesn't block any of the display from my viewing angle. The cable is routed under the dash over to the OBD port. Here's a picture of that connection... http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f5/Guitar4Him_Photos/2008%20Honda%20Accord/OBD- Connection.jpg All-in-all, I very pleased with the installation. No holes were drilled and everything is located where it is accessible and viewable. Ken

Re: Just goes to prove [tidester]

by duke23 on Thu Jul 24 19:17:13 PDT 2008

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Abstract/FREE Full Text ↵Cicerone RJ (2006) Clim Change 77:221–226. CrossRef ↵Crutzen PJ (2006) Clim Change 77:211–219. CrossRef http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/temperature-change.html Downloaded Thursday, 24-Jul-2008 21:43:43 EDT The present day is at the far right of the chart. What do we see? First of all, there’s quite a bit of fluctuation. There are long periods of time when the average global temperature was as much as 9 C degrees (16 F degrees) colder than now. These were ice ages. Much of the northern part of the world was covered with thick sheets of ice, much like we see today in Greenland and Antarctica. The most recent ice age ended about 12,000 years ago. There were also times when it was warmer than today. On the whole, we are in a relatively warm period. What causes these changes in climate? There are many factors. Even Industry.link title And to be totally fair, here's even a reference for your argument from those idiots at MIT. 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