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Test Drive From Hell
by driver100 on Thu Oct 16 15:16:07 PDT 2008
True story...Salesmen, be careful; John Burman The Hamilton Spectator (Hamilton Ontario Canada -Genesis would be about 20% less U.S.) (Oct 16, 2008) The test drive from hell started when a man admiring a $47,000-plus Hyundai Genesis suddenly grabbed the keys and dove behind the wheel. What followed was a wild ride up and down Parkdale Avenue North Tuesday afternoon that ended with an arrest in Brantford. Hamilton police say a man walked into Hamilton Hyundai around 2:30 p.m. and took the top-of-the-line Genesis sedan shortly afterward. "He was walking around in the showroom and asked for the keys to one," sales manager Sean Wilson said yesterday. "There was something about him," said Wilson, who's learned a lot about human nature in his 11 years in car sales. "I figured I would walk around with him." The man went over to the Genesis parked outside, asked a few questions and asked Wilson to unlock it. Then he said he wanted to hear it run and snatched the keys from the salesman's hand, jumped behind the wheel and started it up. "I hopped in the back and next thing he's doing 60 mph up Parkdale, telling me to get out." When Wilson refused to get out the first time the man stopped the car, he drove the wrong way at high speed up one side of Parkdale against oncoming traffic. The Genesis, Wilson said, "has 290 horses and he used all of them." "He stopped again and yelled, 'Do you want to get out now?' "So, I said OK and got out." As Wilson headed back to the dealership, the car disappeared. About 4:30 p.m., the same man drove into the Brantford Hyundai dealership on Powerline Road and a salesperson noticed the car had no plates and a Hamilton Hyundai price sticker on it. The driver claimed he was making an inter-dealer delivery and said he wanted another car or a ride back to Hamilton. A quick check with Hamilton revealed the car was stolen. The dealership called the OPP and stalled the driver until police arrived. A 36-year-old Stoney Creek man has been charged in Brantford with possession of stolen property worth more than $5,000. He is charged in Hamilton with dangerous driving and theft over $5,000. The car hadn't returned to Hamilton by midday yesterday but Wilson understood "it's all in one piece." My Question is; "Who's going to pay $47,000 for a Hyundai?
Re: Brake failure when travelling under 25 mph [dandjwest]
by mimers on Mon Oct 06 21:02:43 PDT 2008
I was told by Toyota Customer Relations to contact Toyota's legal department. I have also filed a safety complaint with Consumer Reports, which they were quite interested in, and they recommended the following: You may also want to share your experiences with the following organizations, which may be able to provide you with information and/or offer assistance: 1. Center for Auto Safety, 1825 Connecticut Ave NW, Suite 330, Washington, DC 20009-5708. The CAS compiles information on defective automobiles, ranging from transmissions problems to paint problems. If you wish, you may send them a letter sharing your experiences with them. Should they have any information on your particular automobile, they will forward it to you, along with helpful information and advice within 10 days from date of receipt of their letter. They ask, but do not require, a $.60 SASE to help keep their costs down. Or, you can visit their website at http://www.autosafety.org. 2. Council of Better Business Bureaus, Inc. at 4200 Wilson Boulevard, Arlington, VA 22203; 1-703-276-0100. The Council of Better Business Bureaus, the umbrella organization for the BBBs, also provides programs and publications for consumers, and helps to settle disputes with automobile manufacturers through the BBB Auto Line program. 3. Your State Attorney General's Office, which helps to resolve individual consumer complaints, conducts informational and educational programs, and enforces consumer protection and fraud laws. You can find their telephone number in the blue section of your telephone book.
Re: Please, [steve_]
by bwilson4web on Sat Oct 04 11:50:03 PDT 2008
Thanks Steve, When I started tracking this issue, I looked for 'habis corpus,' where is the body? There aren't any after 5 years of traffic data. Neither us nor the NHTSA can find any statistics that support the claims of the blind. But the blind have made claims. The blind have used a series of anecdotal stories; (1) 8 year old boy turns into a Prius; (2) circled in a parking lot; and (3) foot run-over in parking lot by backing up Prius. Except for the backing over foot incident, a real problem with rear vision in all vehicles, the others had nothing to do with sound or injury. We have had the Prius rolling around since 2001 and this is all they can find. There are no accident statistics that support their claims. The blind have commissioned various 'experiments' only the results have no consistency. This remains a problem with all such experimental efforts. You can always design an experiment to show something you want, which is the risk. Bob Wilson
Re: Lotus, the blind, and legislation? [steve_]
by bwilson4web on Fri Oct 03 17:44:51 PDT 2008
My apologies. I didn't see your note until reviewing this thread. If there is someway to relocate the thread to the right group, fine by me. Bob Wilson
Re: Please, [boaz47]
by bwilson4web on Fri Oct 03 17:35:22 PDT 2008
Tire noise is the primary noise source at low speeds even for ordinary vehicles. This makes sense because tire resistance is the primary drag at these speeds too. The blind seem especially afraid about a hybrid sitting, stationary and silent. This consistently comes through every claim. Bob Wilson
Re: Lotus, the blind, and legislation? [alltorque]
by bwilson4web on Fri Oct 03 17:24:19 PDT 2008
Some have claimed that is what 'illegals' are doing ... coming back to reclaim the land. Personally, I think employers are looking for docile, non-union labor that can be shipped back on a phone call. Privately, I think they, all parties, are building up a resentment. As for this 'quiet cars' nonsense, I filed a Freedom of Information Act request to find out what data analysis NHTSA had done on hybrid vs pedestrian safety. The NHTSA actually decided NOT to look at the fatality database even though the underlying legislation declares hybrids to be "extremely hazardous." Like King Canute and the tide, this nonsense legislation attempts to command the facts and data. Bob Wilson

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