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Re: all electric drive [pisulino]
by peralta on Sat Oct 18 05:08:25 PDT 2008
That would be a very nice and cheaper variation of Volt. Besides the $38,000 4 passenger HEV, it should also be offered as a ~ $30,000 all electric 5 passenger car with battery redistributed to the former location of the gas tank and the engine bay.
Re: [peralta]
by reddroverr on Fri Oct 03 12:11:06 PDT 2008
Looks like the second link may be a typo. From the first link: "The Golf Twin Drive's electric-only range is targeted at 30 miles." So never mind. Though 30 EV does further limit the desirability...or where the bother (complexity and price) meets the utility.
Re: [peralta]
by tpe on Fri Oct 03 06:45:19 PDT 2008
87 hp e motor that is sufficient as sole traction even on highway speeds. This vehicle will probably weigh about the same as the Volt, which is estimated to be around 3200-3300 lbs. A vehicle this size with an 87 hp motor as it's sole source of power would have anemic performance. So I'm sure the ICE would have to supplement this power occasionally even during the first 30 miles, which would make it difficult to burn zero gas. I wonder how seamlessly this would work. Let's say your driving down the highway at 65 mph powered solely by the electric motor. Now you hit the accelerator to pass. The ICE, possibly cold, will have to start and get up to 3000+ rpms before it can provide additional power. There'd have to be a lag involved and I'm not to sure how good it would be for the ICEs longevity.
Re: [reddroverr]
by peralta on Thu Oct 02 17:24:52 PDT 2008
Well, I did googled more information about VW twin drive and that is how I arrived with 87 hp e motor that is sufficient as sole traction even on highway speeds.
Re: [peralta]
by reddroverr on Thu Oct 02 17:10:06 PDT 2008
what i read was.... "The electric motor provides sufficient torque to get the car moving up to 30 mph, at which point the engine takes over with a single gear ratio roughly equivalent to top gear in a conventional car.." That was from your second link. I don't know if other articles dispute this point. If it can get 30 all electric and better petrol mileage by a decent amount than a Volt thereafter, it is a very close Volt competitor..
Re: [tpe]
by peralta on Thu Oct 02 14:25:11 PDT 2008
With this single gear transmission what do you expect the rpms to be at 30 mph? Let's say around 1500. That means at 80 mph the engine would be turning at "4,000 rpms. It's hard to believe that using a single gear throughout this wide range represents efficiency. If it did you wouldn't have seen the evolution of automatic transmissions and CVTs resulting in more speeds that produced higher mpg ratings." Remember, the twin drive has a simple start-stop system that can act as generator for low speed driving (series hybrid like the volt). Regarding RPM 1500-4000, you're probably at the ballpark but that's with the use of 1 L turbo gas engine. I still stand by my assumption that once the battery is depleted, the VW will have a more fuel efficient arrangement. Just like the depleted Volt, both will keep the charge + - 30%, get some juice on acceleration and give it back on steady speed or regenerative braking when slowing down. The VW has the adventage of having a mechanical drive for better transmission efficiency from ICE. The Volt has the advantage of having longer battery range by 10 miles. Both are not yet on the market, the big question is how much will be the purchase price?

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