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Re: The Cracks Are Appearing... [tagman]
by briteone on Wed Jul 09 16:07:55 PDT 2008
"but I don't see BMW gasping for breath" That's what a turbo is good for. LOL. Pretty soon, BMW will be down to two engines for its non-halo cars in the US market, each with a turbo variant. " BTW... suggesting that a stock will decline in value when it is in a bear market cycle isn't exactly rocket science. However, if you can consistently pick the big WINNERS in a down market... THEN you've got something! " I seem to remember a distincly different mood here over a year ago. Someone was touting BMW becoming the top luxury brand worldwide. Did you pick BMW.DE to be the worst performing import carmaker stock for the past 5 years? I mean, even in a bear market, there is only one worst, right? LOL. BTW, if you are reasonably certain that it's a severe bear market cycle, picking gainers is a fool's game. Winter 2006 to Spring 2007 was a much balmier time in the market . . . those good old days, as sheep were led to the slaughterhouse. BTW, my portfolio is up over 20% so far this year . . . was up over 30% at the beginning of June. June was tough!
Re: steve [cooterbfd]
by gagrice on Fri May 23 16:14:57 PDT 2008
Go easy on the Teamsters. They send me a nice check every month. The Alaska Teamsters have done a much better job of investing my retirement money than the Feds have with their SS joke of a retirement. Local 959 Teamsters Retirement Trust had the foresight to buy up hundreds of acres in Indian Wells CA when it was just worthless desert next to Palm Springs. Last time I checked the resort complex built with our money brought in a return in the neighborhood of $400,000,000. Not all Unions are poorly managed. It helps when the members are active and not sheep.
San Diego county
by gagrice on Wed Apr 11 11:45:06 PDT 2007
I have several places I love to drive in the area. First: Hwy 78 from Ramona to Julian. Just down 78 a bit from Julian is the turnoff to S3 into Borrego Springs. Be sure and hike up to Palm Canyon while you are there. In the Spring the cactus are blooming and you will probably see Desert Bighorn Sheep. Off the same Hwy 78 is the intersection known as Santa Ysabel. Stop in a Dudley's bakery then onto Hwy 79. You will pass a very nice little mission on your trip to Warner Hot Springs. This is becoming a popular retirement area. They have a world class glider airfield with glider rides over the desert. This is the route I take on trips to Palm Springs. As a side trip from Hwy 79 take S22, it is a great winding road down to Borrego Springs. It is well marked on Hwy 79. A little passed Warner Springs is the turn-off to Hwy 371 at Aguanga. This is more wide open spaces with little civilization. It meets up with Hwy 74 that takes you down to the desert floor at Palm Desert in just a few miles. Great vistas with pull-outs to enjoy the view. I have had to wait for Bighorn Sheep to cross the road. These are great trips to try out that sport sedan. Just slow down going by any donut shops. :shades:
Re: YEA YEA [gearhead1]
by rockylee on Thu Feb 01 19:52:44 PST 2007
Dude, your kidding me ????? Okay, this is a future engine not even listed on the GMC web site for the Denali. I guess 1-month is way off into the future ??? :confuse: Even with the lessor Denali engine which is quite "lessor" to say the least, the Denali starts at over $40,000. At this price point you could get a 4x4 Tundra Crew Max 5.7, 6 speed, Limited. The Denali is a very small part of the truck market for GM. The Denali line accounted for 30% of GMC's sales and is projected to rise significantly according to a spokesmouth from GMC marketing team. ;) Just to stick to the point of this thread, we're talking about the Silverado not the luxury Denali. The Silvy is GM's most popular mass production half ton not some obscure luxury truck that hardly anybody buys. Okay fair enough. I'd like to see 2 like vehicals being compared instead of grabbing straws from Edmunds review which btw is the only car testing company that has the Tundra, ranked over the Silverado. I guess it wouldn't be a first time for them. FYI-GMC, isn't a luxury brand, thus the Denali isn't a luxury truck. The Escalade EXT is the luxury truck with the ultra comfy ride. That is why the 6.2 isn't seriously discussed in debates like this. Grasping at the 6.2 saying it beats the 5.7 is kind of well ....desperate. The more interesting question is will they move the 6.2 to the Silvy as an option and how much will it cost, and what are the likely reliability issues. The 6.2 will make it to the Silverado, probably as a SS. Rumor's I've read are saying 500+ hp. It could also be a option called the VortecMax for other Silvy models with 400 hp. Look to see it available this fall for 08'. ;) So far, so good for the 6.2. It's been in the Slade since last spring. Has the new 5.7 Tundra V8 been proven ????? What are it's reliability issues ???? :confuse: GM has vastly improved the Silvy from the last generation. Just looking at the exterior it seems to exude a better feeling of quality over the last generation, but the top silvy still can't compete with the top Tundra in the powertrain department. As for the interiors, I'll leave that discussion for all the women interior decorators that seem to frequent these truck discussions. The only warm feeling I get inside is when I'm right. I've been feeling quite warm lately. I will say it again their's more to a truck than just it's powertrain. the 5.3 is a proven high mileage, ultra reliable engine. If I was driving the 5.7 I'd be concerned with sludge issues and such since that is making news. ;) I don't doubt that GM will catch up to the current Tundra You can't be serious.....One (1) good apples to oranges review and now GM, has to play catch up ????? Ummmmmm you've lost all credibility from me. but more than likely Toyota will have something better in the works. I've heard from people supposedly in the know that the 5.7 can be tuned comfortably above 400hp and won't actually blow until approaching 500hp. We'll see what Toyota has in store. What's surprising is that toyota so comfortably trumped the recently released silvy (which is a pretty good truck) with their first true attempt at a full size truck. That Toyota, Kool-Aid must be tasting great. Again 1 good review using a Tundra Limited vs. a stripped down Silverado, by a biased edmunds Toyota, kool-aid drinking staff is the only trump card you need while several other credible sites picked the Silverado over the Tundra ? hmmmmmm...maybe that's because they test similar vehicals when conducting truck tests ????? No that wouldn't be it :D BTW-The last generation was their first attempt at a full-size truck and it's not GM's fault they fumbled the oppertunity. ;) Isn't the Toyota badge enough especially when I've owned a Toy truck for 15+ years and it still runs like new. I might add that one main point people talk about in these discussions is how brand loyal domestic truck buyers are and they won't give the new Tundra a chance simply because it's asian. Talk about buying a vehicle just because of the badge, domestic truck buyers are the epitome of that statement. Detroit is counting on a segment of the market called "import avoiders". These people are out there and won't buy a vehicle simply because it has a Toyota badge. There is alot of anti Honda/Toyota sentiment on the web, and I notice the same vitriolic comments aren't directed toward euro brands ie. BMW, Mercedez etc. I think it boils down for some reason to an anti asian bias or the "R" word. Some people are very reluctant to recognize the quality of asian products siting customers as sheep, press bias etc. Any reason other than the Japanese make a superior product. Most domestic truck buyers are patriotic, blue-collar, working middle class, americans. They don't want some foreign company and country to buy-off what their family died for. They feel the same about our products as the Japanese do about there's. How many Japanese people do you see go buy american or other country's products. They are nationalist. This is Japans, first real attempt to capture sales in a brand loyal crowd. They will sell everyone they make but it won't be easy sales and here in Truck country (Texas) I don't see many Japanese trucks on the road. They are very rare !!!! Some of my co-workers and friends were so disaapointed with trying out Toyota's last generation they said they still won't consider the new one. My buddy Cody, bought a 06' and he's so dissapointed with it after 4,000 miles he's ready to get rid of it. He's been asking me about the Denali and Escalade EXT already. I was like dude I tried to tell you. He says yeah, I should of listened. I asked him if he was going to get a 07' ???? He goes hell no !!!! I should of kept my Lariat Ford :D You also need to remember gearhead1, the Euro's don't come over to the U.S. and try to americanize themselves in our culture and I think many americans respect that. I know I do. ;) Con't below............
S60R
by fedlawman on Tue Nov 28 12:22:43 PST 2006
That must be after the $5,000 factory to dealer incentive. $32,000 is a really good deal on what is undeniably a solid, AWD entry-level luxury performance sedan. One of the nice things about Volvo's (like BMW's) is the aftermarket support. There are plenty of speed parts (springs, shocks, sway bars, chips, etc.) to make these cars into real wolves in sheep clothing. Good find Plekto!
Look Guys
by atlgaxt on Tue Jun 29 12:10:16 PDT 2004
My whole point was that it is poor business practice to negotiate, reach an agreement, then hand someone a piece of paper to sign that has an additional fee. I'm on the commercial real estate side, primarily in appraisal, but I do brokerage and investing, and that is not how I do business. For pointing this out, I have been called a whiner, a crier, a scared sheep and not astute (stupid). For Pete's sake, I ended up renegotiating to net the doc fee out, but having to do so made me angry. Now I have been told that I "jumped to a conclusion" by reading that driftracer is under contract to do work for a dealer group. What is your point? Hitting the consumer with hidden costs at the end of a negotiation process is a good thing? Are you defending this type of business practice? Answering that the consumer should know beforehand to avoid this fee is not the answer to my question. Claiming that other practitioners do similar things in other industries also does not make it right to spring an unexpected additional cost on a car buyer.

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