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Re: Steve...... [rockylee]

by xrunner2 on Tue Nov 18 07:52:52 PST 2008

I refuse to support any politician who's econimic agenda is more FREE TRADE !!! Why should these union folks be asked to give up their modest pension and health benefits ??? Why don't you ask your elected leaders to address these issues ??? I know one of your elected leaders in Ohio, Dennis Kucinich is very anti NAFTA, GATT, WTO Heard that today's New York Times is recommending that Congress should approve the Bush proposed Treaty with Columbia. Times being the bible of the liberals and Democrats, will Congress now obey the Times and approve the Treaty? Remember that U.S. organized labor has up to this time opposed this Treaty and has Pelosi/Reid in their pocket.

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by rockylee on Mon Nov 17 15:40:16 PST 2008

Guys, I think you guys are taking what I said and spinning it. I thought this was the no spin zone but apparently I didn't get the memo ??? :P The bottom line is if we don't bailout the Big 3 it will make the collapse of Wallstreet look like a ripple in the water in comparison !!! I think many folks don't realize just how much of a consquence the Big 3 going out of business will have on this economy. It would make the 1929' depression look like everyone is working !!! Thousands of small and large businesses will collapse and millions of folks will be unemployed. I think the american worker and the corporations who've tried to stay here in the U.S. have gotten a screw job for the last 20 or 30 years by our government and its free trade for one side policies !!! :mad: Go ahead and tell your congressman "NO" on the bailout but when desperate people take up robbery and other criminal behavior to put food on the table then don't come on here and whine because I will say told you so !!!! :mad: I have made it clear and have no doubt by looking at other economies as examples that I'm right on this subject !!! ;) Some of the most powerful economies have protectionist clauses in their trade policies to protect their standard of living at home from cheap foreign labor. Even Lou Dobbs, says if you want to avoid another great depression the bailout is neccessary. Just cutting the pay on Union people will not solve the problem because the bottom line is if they have no extra money to spend those businesses they patron will collapse anyways. ILUV, it is critical to have a class of people with disposable income pal. My father has a modest pension nothing like gagrice, gets or wages gagrice, made but he does have health benefits and does have to pay a portion of it out of his pocket. It's going to come to the point of asking how much do union members needs to sacrifice ??? Their was no 401K available for my father to invest in back in the day and if he did have one well you've seen how well those Vegas, plans have faired here lately !!!! Yes I'm very passionate about this issue as I've seen already just how many jobs in manufacturing have been lost here locally and abroad. Thousands more in furniture sectors i.e. Herman Miller, Haworth, Steelcase, and automobile suppliers like Johnson Controls, Gentex, Donnelly, Delphi, have recently announced another round of lay-offs. Some might be living in area's of comfort and swallowing down their Jelly Bismarks, and Starbucks, but reality for a quarter of the U.S. work force looks very bad and the only solution some say is to cut here and there like that is going to solve the problems ???? I feel many folks are oblivious due to their local surroundings as I've spoken with friends in the Texas, Panhandle who've asked me what in the hell is going on ???? Well when your economy is based on agriculture, oil, government, sectors that currently have seen huge investment increases and rewards due to the Bush administration well it's hard to comprehend what a reccession feels like. I think that is part of the problem because many sectors that don't know what a factory is will not feel the damage until later.... If GM, Ford, Chrysler, aren't bringing in tax revenue for Uncle Sam, those government jobs will be cut as their won't be the money coming in to fund those projects. Once the borrowing from China, to fund the war ends a lot of these government jobs will be slashed !!! If we open up South America, for free-trade you can kiss those Texas farms good-bye because the South Americans, run plantations and the american farmer won't be able to compete with slave labor !!!! :mad: Here's something related to this topic: EFCA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_zkU4rEIhQ The above link is reality for people who want to organize in this country. EFCA, will make that right easier and will help overcome employer intimidation !!! I look forward to it's passage !!!! :) Thank-you, Barack Obama !!!! :shades: -Rocky

Envy

by dallasdude1 on Mon Nov 17 15:11:28 PST 2008

For decades now the Japanese have been protecting their farm industry. Consumers there have paid an outrageous price for a steak. I see them eating even the fat in such places as the Grand Canyon, Disney World, and other tourist traps. Their govt has placed high tariffs on beef to protect their farmers/ranchers. However, we have allowed them entry to our markets. The auto market has been one. No barriers, tariffs, or hurdles to get in. The UAW has attained a high standard of living for folks who toil in many of these auto plants. Honest work for honest wages.Including the Toyota Corolla (UAW represented) plant in California. Many folks envy the compensation/benefit package. Instead of trying to get themselves the same or better, they want others to suffer with inferior compensation/benefit packages. Thats just plain envy. I say that they need to expend their efforts in organizing.

Insignia-Europe car of the year

by 62vetteefp on Mon Nov 17 10:38:45 PST 2008

Opel/Vauxhall Insignia named Car of the Year 2009 • Jury members say Insignia “much more than style” • Innovation, safety and comfort highly valued Rüsselsheim. The Opel/Vauxhall Insignia was named Car of the Year 2009 (COTY) today by a panel of car journalists from 23 countries, recognizing the mid-sized car as truly revolutionary for the brand. “Many jury members appreciated the looks and visual quality of this model but the new C/D (mid-sized) car from Rüsselsheim is much more than style,” the non-profit COTY organization said. “Active and passive safety, comfort and a wide array of efficient engines characterize this model. The richness of equipment can be increased with sophisticated options such as the ‘Opel Eye’, that reads road signals, FlexRide suspension and nine-mode Adaptive Forward Lighting.”

Re: Steve...... [gagrice]

by kipk on Mon Nov 17 04:36:21 PST 2008

>"To me they are more important than some fat cat autoworker that is unwilling to give up his great health care plan to keep GM solvent. " Agreed! Seems uncanny that someone would rather loose their company, and therefore their job, before giving a single cent toward helping themselves. Are they that stupid, or just that greedy? Isn't there a type of bankruptcy, that doesn't cancel debt, but gives time to restructure? Would that give the Big 3 any extra leverage with existing union contracts? Somewhere, somehow, companies are going to have to STOP and rethink their positions, as well as their direction. Reorganize and re structure if necessary. They need to retrain their people, if they are going to remain viable and not be forced out of business, or out of the country. Those in power need to have enough backbone to cut the dead wood when necessary so the productive wood can remain healthy. Dead wood from the very top to the very bottom. Companies, unwilling to do that, don't deserve 1 dime of help. AIG is a good example of executives that need to be "TAKEN OUT", one way or the other! ;) No money should be given uh, "loaned" to any organization that can't show responsibility and a good plan of how they intend to pay it back. Whenever bad behavior is rewarded, it will continue! The Ford Plant in South Atlanta closed it's doors a few years ago. The GM Plant in North Atlanta did the same, recently. Yet Kia is building a plant in West Georgia. It may be operational now, or in the near future. Does that not tell the B3 and the UAW something? Kip

Re: STI - final thoughts [obyone]

by dino001 on Sun Nov 16 05:14:24 PST 2008

Personally, I would've asked for employee pricing. Huh? :confuse: :confuse: What employee pricing? Did you read it at all? I got the car for what's call VIP pricing, which is invoice minus 2% minus all incentives - here 2500 dealer bonus. Subaru does that if you belong to certain organizations they support. Hard to imagine employee pricing is any different/better. 15% off on accessories was the final touch - last piece of the much larger puzzle.