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Re: [Mr_Shiftright]
by andre1969 on Tue Nov 18 07:59:57 PST 2008
I just spec'ed out a 1982 Cimarron, for kicks. Now it has a $12,181 base price. Air conditioning, power steering, an AM/FM stereo, leather wrapped steering wheel, and twin power mirrors were standard. However, by the time I added in all the power stuff, cruise control, an automatic transmission, tape player, tilt wheel, and a sunroof, I come out with $14,103! I wonder what a comparable BMW 3-series would have cost back in 1982? Now, no self-respecting 3-series should have an automatic, so to take the automatic out of the Cimarron and make it comparable, it's at $13,733. I doubt if a 3-series was much more expensive. I guess a Benz C-class would've been up in the stratosphere, though. Cadillac did a much better job of turning a sow's ear into a silk purse, IMO, with the 1975 Cadillac Seville. While it was based on the Chevy Nova, they did a good job at hiding that fact. Plus, at least it had a bit of exclusivity with the standard fuel-injected Olds 350 V-8, something you couldn't get in any other X-car. It was also longer, had a roomier back seat, and was about 700-800 lb heavier than a Nova, so it was much more substantial. I'll have to admit though, that when I've sat in these first-gen Sevilles, I was a bit disappointed. I thought they'd be roomier and more comfy, but I guess being based on the Nova, they could only do so much with the seating position. I think all the extra room actually went into the back seat. I'd probably be happier with a '75 Dodge Dart Special Edition, although looks-wise, they're kinda dumpy compared to a Seville.
Re: [andre1969]
by Mr_Shiftright on Tue Nov 18 07:45:14 PST 2008
Probably the worst part about the Cimarron was the idea that GM thought it was going to get away with this blatant rip-off. It really did irritate the American car buying public, and they didn't like the idea that GM thought them that stupid. I guess it would be like Mercedes putting badges on a Passat and charging you $50K for it.
Re: [dpalka]
by andre1969 on Tue Nov 18 07:34:43 PST 2008
The Cimarron seemed like a good idea at the time. It was designed in an era where gas was expensive and relatively rare, and the EPA was breathing down GM's neck to get more fuel efficient cars out there. Plus, small upscale cars like BMW and Mercedes Benz were skyrocketing in popularity. Unfortunately, the end result was essentially a $12,000 Cavalier. Eventually they started putting Chevy V-6es in them, which made them better performers, but it was still just a gussied up Cavalier. Quality-wise, I wouldn't call them the worst car of all time. After all, it was 1982 and a lot of cars were horrible. Both foreign and domestic, truth be told, so it wasn't just the Big Three, although they certainly did take "horrible" to new heights in that era! But I think it was just a symbol of how far Cadillac had fallen. Cadillac had started slipping in 1971, and I'd say 1982 was when they hit rock-bottom. The Cimarron was crap. Anything with the 4.1 V-8 or Olds Diesel was crap, and those two engines covered just about everything else. About the only saving grace was if you bought the factory limo. It still used a Cadillac 368 V-8, and I think it was still using the beefy old THM400 transmission. It's only flaw was the V-8-6-4 cylinder de-activation, but supposedly it wasn't hard to just disconnect that. Overall, 1982 was just a horrible year for Cadillac's reputation (although at the time, they sold well in spite of the recession), and I think the Cimarron was just the "crowning glory" of that. :sick:
Re: Found It! [jeffyscott]
by Mr_Shiftright on Sat Nov 15 08:59:14 PST 2008
"visionaries" are invariably wrong. I doubt they believe their own BS 24/7 anymore, or even 2/7. Fact is, nobody really knows how things will spin out. LEMKO -- but that's the whole point. You didn't buy a Cimarron, or a '76 Eldosaurus, or an Olds Diesel, or a Citation---but a lot of people did, and they got so burned they never, ever forgot it. You also came in when Cadillac didn't have to deal with a brand called Lexus (1990)
Re: [berri]
by Mr_Shiftright on Fri Nov 14 18:58:58 PST 2008
I remember some journalist saying back in 1980 or so that every person who owned a Cadillac during the time of the Cimarron would have to DIE first before Cadillac ever regained some prestige and credibility, and you know, I'll be darned if he wasn't just about right. Cadillac came back into the Light about 25 years later, which would have outdistanced most 65 year olds driving in the year 1980. Dead men tell no tales! I wonder if it's something like "critical mass", that the number of HAPPY Big Three owners (and there are surely a good number) have to actually outweigh the unhappy ones, or at least "out-shout" them.
Re: [hpowders]
by laurasdada on Mon Nov 10 14:15:37 PST 2008
I believe that the Volt can go an estimated 40 miles on electic motors alone. At that point, a small gas engine kicks in to power/recharge the electrics. The gas engine does not drive the wheels directly. Have long been disgusted with GM and the arrogance they displayed in contnually building non-competitive cars, updating the body every few years, sometimes slapping another badge on 'em (yeah, Cimarron) and thinking that they could fool most of the people all of the time. This was one of the most powerful corps. on earth, full of talented engineers and " car people." But, run by bean counters (Roger Smith!), and run into the ground. It appears that slowly GM is coming around, maybe too late? 'Twould be a shame to fade away now, but the sins of the past have finally apparently placed a stranglehold upon The General. Thanks to the UAW, too... I'm not sure putting "Government people" in charge would be the answer. Maybe some car people/businessmen. Lutz ain't too bad a start?

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