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Obama and close neigbor Bill Ayers

by gagrice on Mon Oct 06 16:25:27 PDT 2008

Casual acquaintenance, hardly.... "In 1995, State Senator Alice Palmer introduced her chosen successor, Barack Obama, to a few of the district's influential liberals at the home of two well known figures on the local left: William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn. While Ayers and Dohrn may be thought of in Hyde Park as local activists, they're better known nationally as two of the most notorious -- and unrepentant -- figures from the violent fringe of the 1960s anti-war movement. ... 'I can remember being one of a small group of people who came to Bill Ayers' house to learn that Alice Palmer was stepping down from the senate and running for Congress,' said Dr. Quentin Young, a prominent Chicago physician and advocate for single-payer health care, of the info rmal gathering at the home of Ayers and his wife, Dohrn. '[Palmer] identified [Obama] as her successor.' Same Alice Palmer that will not speak to Obama and endorsed Hillary for President. During The Time Obama And Ayers Served Together On The Woods Fund, Ayers Was Quoted Saying "I Don't Regret Setting Bombs ... I Feel We Didn't Do Enough." Dinitia Smith, "No Regrets For A Love Of Explosives," The New York Times, 9/11/01 While Obama And Ayers Were Serving On The Woods Fund Together, Ayers Posed Standing On An American Flag For An Article In Chicago Magazine Entitled "No Regrets." (Marcia Froelke Coburn, "No Regrets," Chicago Magazine, 8/01) "Since coming out of hiding in 1980, the couple have raised three boys in Chicago and become part of the fabric of their liberal South Side neighborhood. Neighbors said it's only natural that Obama would know Ayers and Dohrn, who often open their homes for gatherings filled with lively discussions about politics, arts and social issues. Obama and his wife 'are part of our neighborhood and part of our social circle,' said Elizabeth Chandler, a neighbor of Ayers'." (Trevor Jensen, Robert Mitchum and Mary Owen, "Bill Ayers' Turbulent Past Contrasts With Quiet Academ ic Life," Chicago Tribune, 4/17/08) "Senator Obama's ties to a former leader of the violent left-wing activist group the Weather Underground are drawing new scrutiny as he battles Senator Clinton for the Democratic presidential nomination." (Russell Berman, "Obama's Ties To Left Come Under Scrutiny," The New York Sun, 2/19/08) These were all published in mainstream publications. Why is it so hard to see that Obama is not casually attached to this terrorist? What goes on in those cell meetings in Hyde park? Obama should be avoided like the plague, if for nothing else his lack of common sense. He surrounds himself with people that hate America and would try to destroy it. His not wanting to pledge allegiance to the flag should have been a warning to USAll.

Re: Is Biden losing the Catholic vote? [bristol2]

by rockylee on Fri Sep 19 20:50:44 PDT 2008

Bush is 100% pro-life and has done nothing as President to change the law. On CNN's Crossfire on October 20, 2000, Larry Flynt exploded a bombshell: that he has evidence that George W. Bush was "involved in an abortion in Texas" in the early 1970's - when abortions were still illegal. In the winter of 1971 George W. Bush was dating a woman named Robin Lowman (now Robin Garner). Miss Lowman became pregnant by Smirk and he arranged for her to have an abortion - which in the great state of Texas in 1971 was very illegal! Not to mention that George W. is running as a pro-life candidate for the presidency. The unnamed source of this story, was a friend of Robin Lowman's and the girlfriend of the man who arranged the abortion. His name is Robert Carl Chandler. Chandler is a Bush friend and supporter from way back and he made the arrangements for Miss Lowman's abortion at the Twelve Oaks Hospital in Houston, TX (now the Bayou City Medical Center). The source overheard the call by Mr. Chandler to arrange the abortion and the source visited Robin Lowman at the Twelve Oaks Hospital after the procedure. The source meanwhile, is afraid of coming forward, saying that she was threatened by Chandler and another Bush friend and supporter named Jim Bath. Bath has longstanding intelligence connections, and played a role in the BCCI scandal. Robin Lowman (now Garner) is married to Jerry Lee Garner who is an FBI agent. So, that's the story: an illegal back room abortion arranged by the Republican party Presidential candidate who is running on a pro-life ticket. The CNN Coverup Amazingly, CNN scrubbed its own story!!!! This has all the markings of a cover-up by CNN - just like the cover-ups of Bush's many other scandals, from going AWOL, to using illegal drugs, to corruption in Texas government, to lying under oath. Here is the original transcript that was published by CNN, but has now been scrubbed. [ROBERT] NOVAK: Mr. Flynt, never let it be said that we censor any of our guests here on CROSSFIRE, and you said you wanted to talk about the election. Tell me what you wanted to say. FLYNT: Well, during the impeachment debacle, we did an investigation which resulted in the resignation of Bob Livingston and others and we have continued this investigation and for eight months we've been looking into George W. Bush's background. And we've found out in the early 1970s he was involved in an abortion in Texas, and I just think that it's sad that the mainstream media, who's aware of this story, won't ask him that question when they were able to ask him the drug question without any proof at all, and we've got all kinds of proof on this issue. NOVAK: Well, you're... FLYNT: You know, the guy admitted he was a drunk for 20 years, and if the abortion issue is true then that puts him lower on the morality scale than Bill Clinton. NOVAK: Mr. Flynt, you said if it's true and you have no proof of that. I gather you are a very strong... FLYNT: The hell we don't have proof. NOVAK: Sir, I gather you're a very strong Gore supporter. Is that correct? FLYNT: I'll vote for the lesser of the two evils. I don't like either one of them. [BILL] PRESS: All Right, Larry Flynt, a man who speaks his word, but we remind you they are Larry Flynt's words and not ours. Larry Flynt, thank you very, very much for joining us. This was followed by an online chat, in which Flynt went into greater detail: CNN - Mr. Flynt, I would like to know how you plan to protect yourself from a law suit by claiming to have the goods on GWBush. Flynt: Because we have them and the truth is an absolute defense. CNN; When and where are you going to publish information about George W. Bush? Flynt: When I said that we had the proof, I am referring to knowing who the girl was, knowing who the doctor was that pereformed the abortion, evidence from girlfriends of hers at the time, who knew about the romance and the subsequent abortion. The young lady does not want to go public, and without her willingness, we don't feel that we're on solid enough legal ground to go with the story, because should she say it never happened, then we've got a potential libel suit. But we know we have enough evidence that we believe completely. One of the things that interested us was that this abortion took place before Roe Vs. Wade in 1970, which made it a crime at the time. I'd just like the national media to ask him if abortion is okay for him and his family, but not for the rest of America. We're not looking at it as a big issue, we're looking at it as a situation of people not being told the truth. I think the American people have a right to know everything there is to know about someone running for President. Why is this story important? 1. Because George W. Bush says he is "pro-life," which means he regards abortion as murder. If he was "involved" in an abortion, then in his own heart he is a murderer. 2. Because George W. Bush supports a "Human Life Amendment" to the Constitution, which would overturn Roe v. Wade. This would subject 1.3 MILLION women each year - and their doctors - to criminal prosecution. 3. Because George W. Bush points to the two most anti-abortion Justices of the Supreme Court - Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia - as his models for Supreme Court appointees. And he may get to appoint a Supreme Court Justice soon. 4. Because George W. Bush has a solid record of opposing abortion as Governor of Texas, where he signed 18 anti-abortion laws, and President [sic]. 5. Because George W. Bush ran on "restoring honor and integrity to the White House," and therefore should be expected to tell the truth. George W. Bush must state clearly whether or not he was involved in an illegal abortion in Texas. And the media must tell the American people! con't.........

Tahoe hybrid employee pricing

by schultsj on Fri Aug 29 05:30:42 PDT 2008

We just bought a 2008 Tahoe hybrid, 2wd, rear dvd for 40980. This price includes employee pricing, 5k rebate plus additional 1k off . It does not include trade or TTL. The drive to Chandler Chevy in Madison, IN was worth it. We feel this is an outstanding deal considering one month ago it may have been 12k more.

Re: My new 2008 Tahoe

by schultsj on Fri Aug 29 03:34:54 PDT 2008

We just bought a 2008 tahoe hybrid, 2wd, rear dvd for 40980. This price includes employee discount and 5k rebate plus additional 1k off . It does not include trade or TTL. The drive to Chandler Chevy in Madison,IN was worth it We feel this is an outstanding deal considering one month ago it may have been 12k more.

Re: Help the Lady Deal in Buying A Sentra [phxsunstrok]

by aznewcar on Sun Aug 10 20:43:41 PDT 2008

Hello I am in Gilbert, have been looking at Nissan Sentra, Altima and also Hyundai Elentra and Sontana. I have been to tempe and chandler Nissan. I was treated better at tempe. But I have heard pinnacle is ok. But I am still looking. Are you for sure on a Sentra? MIke

New GS350 - love it!

by misslisa on Sun Jul 13 21:02:20 PDT 2008

I had been considering the ES but it was just too floaty for me. Thanks to the info on this thread, I decided to give the GS350 a try. Wow what a car!! I bought my 2008 GS just this weekend at Lexus of Chandler in AZ for approx 43500+TTL. It has window tint, nav, spoiler, really everything except ML audio. This dealership treated me well, not only on the sale but on the financing. I would recommend contacting their Fleet or Internet dept. Interestingly, I had a bad experience at Lexus of Chandler 2 years ago and swore I'd never go back. They got rid of the jackass who waited on me that time. So glad I gave them a second chance - love the car!! Thanks to all of you on this thread for your very helpful information - truly appreciated.