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2004 Pontiac GTO Consumer Discussions
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Pontiac GTO Strut Problems
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Fixing suspension issues on GTOs
Here is a link to show you what typical strut bushings look like: http://rides.webshots.com/album/520157103jcDVac Please do not do the 235's The reason is Pontiac went to the 245 because it is heavier than the Monaro in Au, and needs to extra load support of a 245. Align issues are totally resolveable. You just need to install some non GM stuff. Now I will also tell you, with a 2004 GTO, front ... Read More
Pontiac GTO Reliability and Maintenance Costs
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Re: Pontiac GTO 2005/2006 How reliable have they been? [silvergoat]
I have just been reading here of some negative comments regarding the 2004-2006 GTO. I bought a 2006 in September of '06 and have nothing but rave reviews from my own experience. Yeah, I had to have the front struts replaced and there have been little things that I have asked the dealer to do, but that is mostly due to how picky I am about ANY car I own. I ... Read More
Pontiac GTO Prices Paid and Buying Experience
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Misc. replies
There were no "fixes" applied for 2005 and 2006 model years relating to "strut rub". They may have paid closer attention to alignment (including cradle alignment) from the factory, but any 2004-2006 GTO equipped with the factory 17" wheels, and 245 width tires, is at risk of having its tires impact the struts. As posted elsewhere, this is likely due to alignment issues which may be exacerbated by blown factory radius ... Read More
Pontiac GTO
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Re: GTO SAFETY ALERT---EXPLODING TIRES by mparis1 [elias]
I do not recall reading anything about tires being torn-apart...............I have read about the 2006 leaking struts aand some 2004 suspension problems.......but this article effects all 3 years---2004/2005/ 2006.Is there a TSB from PONTIAC on this? Have you brought it to the attention of your GTO service Dep't? What have they done? Better yet what should be done? I wiil bring the car in and insist upon this fix before I ... Read More
Pontiac GTO - The Future
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Re: why is GTO being discontinued ? [midnightcowboy]
It was discontinued because GM Holden in Australia, which made the GTO for GM North America, is in the process of discontinuing their current V-body vehicles for their new VE chassis. The original contract between GMNA and GMH was for 3 years of GTO production, after which time GMNA would start building Holden VE-based vehicles here in North America. Those vehicles were behind when that plan was shelved last March. It ... Read More
Pontiac GTO Reliability and Maintenance Costs
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Pontiac GTO 2005/2006 How reliable have they been?
So I'm closing in on buying a 2005 or 2006 Pontiac GTO, and I already know that it's a blast to drive. But then I happened to stumble onto a small forum on carsurvey.com where there seemed to be more negative than positive reviews on its reliability. Some folks were even invoking the lemon law. Some of these negative comments were against just the 2004, but not all of them. I ... Read More
Pontiac GTO Strut Problems
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2006 GTO STRUT ISSUE
Wow! What a bummer, Just purchased a 2006 GTO with 6 speed manual and 18 inch wheels impulse blue on 7/03/2006. vehicle was manufactured on 03/2006. after driving for 4 days both front struts blew throwing oil and grease all over undercarriage and wheel wells, immediattely took to the purchasing dealer who inspected and told me parts would be a week to get,i have parked my car until parts arrive even ... Read More
Pontiac GTO - The Future
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Pontiac GTO:The Future
Pontiac high performance car may be in Jepardy again. Since Pontiac revived the Throwback namaplate in 2004 the GTO has been nothing but budget priced and really fast. The GTO of today bears resemblance to the past GTOs. They are fast, stylish, and thirsty. Several rumors have been started on what the future holds for ths Pontiac hi-point. Some say that the Zeta platform coming over to the USA in a ... Read More
Pontiac GTO
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Interior issues
I have a 2004 GTO with only 4,403 miles on the car. I have had many different problems with the car. I live in South Florida and the heat and sun seem to be killing the car. The first thing that I noticed was the stitching on the rear seats had come apart (the car was about 5 months old at this time). I took the car to the dealer and ... Read More
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Re: What happened to Robert? [sputterguy]...GTO DISCONTINUED.......mparis1
"PONTIAC ENTHUSIAST" MAGAZINE june 2006..page 9....GTO DISCONTINUED....the '06 is the final GTO. 2005 SALES 15% LOWER THAN 2004. HARD TO BELIEVE 2005 SALES LOWER THAN 2004 ? Is this true Robert, GTO GURU??? Like I have been saying, GM is on the brink and will not put out 2 Muscle Cars...Camaro/Gto. And if they are in business by 2010 ,a 2010 will be too late for us 60s muscle guys...so who ... Read More
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Re: dual stage air bags [midwesttrader]
midwestrader, thanks for the follow-up, i finally sent an e mail to pontiac and confirmed the dual stage air bag. what is amazing is that there is not one mention of this in the brochures or on the web site. the fact that it is even mentioned in your 2004 brochure but not the other 2004 brochure just explains why gm has problems. anyway, i will probably start to get serious ... Read More
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Re: dual stage air bags [roadrunner70]
The brochure I have is black, with a close-up of the GTO front grill on the cover and it says 2004 in the lower right corner. The air bag info is on the last page (the inside of the back cover). Have you tried calling Pontiac customer service? I'm sure the dealers are clueless.
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Re: dual stage air bags [midwesttrader]
dear midwesttrader, thank you very much for replying. i carefully went through the 2004 silver covered brochure and could not find the reference to dual stage air bags. it is not in the 2006 brochure and not on the pontiac.com web site. you may have a different brochure. if so, please carefully check as it is all standing between me and an 06 gto.. thanks rr70
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Re: GTO gone end of September [charts2]
Not too shocking since GM said all along that this car would only be a 3 yr project here, 2004-2006. If there were to be a 2007 it would be an all new car on an all new chassis. “There are some changes in the federal regulatory standards. One is an airbag deployment standard that would require some very expensive re-engineering of the car,” says Jim Hopson, Pontiac spokesman. “Since the ... Read More
Ford Mustang (2005) vs. 2005 Pontiac GTO
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Re: Magazine Comparisons [privetotruski]
Yes in Motor Trends May 2004 article they compared the then 350hp 2004 GTO to the 2004 Mercedes Benz CLK55 AMG. The Pontiac or I should say Holden held it's own, did very well. "The Pontiac GTO provides perhaps 85 to 90 percent of the goodness of the MBCLKAMG--for less than 50 percent of the cost"
Pontiac GTO Prices Paid and Buying Experience
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Re: pricing on 2004 GTOs [gtoken]
There were something like 165 '04's left on dealer lots back at the beginning of November (here's a hint... go to the Pontiac dealer locator, which defaults to the 2005's.... edit the URL in your browser window to 2004, and it will show you what cars are available. This also works for 2006 models). The reason that most dealers don't like to go under $25k for the '04 GTOs is because ... Read More
Pontiac GTO
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Re: Lip Spoiler - Where is this one? [sakinosh]
That's the Woodward, a/k/a Ram Air 6 GTO from the 2004 Woodward Dream Cruise. More info here: http://www.seriouswheels.com/top-2004-Pontiac-GTO-Ram-Air-6.htm I haven't seen a spoiler that exactly matches this. Best you could do is probably the Arrowhead Performance spoiler: http://www.arrowheadperformance.com/images/front_rear_spoiler/rear_closeup.jpg But Arrowhead is extremely unreliable with ship dates - if you can find their products in stock somewhere (Gravana), I'd buy from them rather than directly. Hope this helps, --Robert
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Re: price [hammen2]
The car looks clean to me. Says 100% Carfax guaranteed, whatever that means, and includes the balance of the factory warranty. Here's a link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pontiac-GTO-Coupe-2004-PONTIAC-GTO-LOADED-ONLY-2900-MILES-N- - O-RESERVE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ7244QQitemZ4584217429QQrdZ1 Comments anyone?
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Re: Power [dburger66]
can anyone tell me what kind of power the drive train can safely handle BMR fabrication used to have a website where they went through all the steps they did to get a 9-second GTO. I believe that when they exceeded 450 rwhp the driveshaft went, so they designed a replacement, which they sell along with other parts, here: http://www.bmrfabrication.com/GTO BTW, BMR was auctioning their project GTO on eBay (auction over, ... Read More
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Re: used 2004 v. 2005 gto [pod]
Well, right now there's $2k additional off 2005 GTO's. Many dealers are selling at or near the Employee Price... meaning $27k + ttl. (Long Island, NY dealership). Besides the LS2 engine (with electronic throttle control - no throttle cable), hood scoops, and the revised rear fascia (both cars have dual exhaust, the '05's are just seperated versus one-side exit on the '04's), the '05's also get significantly better brakes and optional ... Read More
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Re: drivers door won't lock by remote [tolenash]
There is a door lock TSB for the '04' (my first '04 had the "sticking door lock" assembly problem). I'm seeing lots of posts on another site of people having this problem... let me look for the TSB... here it is: Front Door Lock Will Not Unlock or Will Lock Intermittently (Install New Door Lock Assembly) #04-08-64-018 - (Aug 24, 2004) Front Door Lock Will Not Unlock or Will Lock Intermittently ... Read More
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Re: hood scoops not fake [blackflag3]
Pontiac listened and remedied this blunder with the 05. Actually, the story that I've heard is that they planned all along to have a scooped hood, but could not get a new hood developed and crash-tested in time for the car to come out as an '04 model (ditto the revised rear fascia/separated exhaust). Since '04 was the 40th anniversary of the GTO, they made the decision to go scoop-less... and ... Read More
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Re: Times Square, NO GTO advertising, G6/GXP/Solstice! [crox]
The problem is that Pontiac NEVER really advertised the new improvements to the 2005. Only in magazines etc once in a while. Certainly not on TV. 2005 wasn't much more $$ then 2004. In addition to the hood scoops are the red painted calipers and new rear fascia/dual chrome exhaust. However the most noticeable improvements to the 2005 GTO are the ones you don't see, under the hood. 50 more hp, ... Read More
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Dan Gurney endorsement:
Ex-F1 driver and race team owner Dan Gurney was asked by Road & Track to name the best car he'd ever owned: Besides my new bright-red Ford GT, which I take out for special occasions, I am really enjoying my current everyday car. It's a Charcoal Gray 2005 Pontiac GTO, and everything about it is stealthy for obvious reasons. I took off the rear wing and put on a 2004 hood ... Read More
Ford Mustang (2005) vs. 2005 Pontiac GTO
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Re: 2004 GTO $4k more 2004 GT in resale, KBB [gxpgtodanman]
2004 Mustang worth $19,235 sold privately 2004 GTO worth $23,385 sold privately GTO is worth $4k more. Enough said!! You're not serious?? That's not even the same Mustang! Come on, buddy. This thread is Ford Mustang (2005+) vs. 2005 Pontiac GTO.
Pontiac GTO
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Re: hammen2 [rorr]
You are correct, because of lack of GTO sales in 2004 GM reduced production from 18k cars to 12k cars for 2005. It's kind of hard to sell a car that you don't promote or advertise. That said the GTO is selling much better this year then last year. In my area the 3 pontiac dealers don't have any 2004 or 2005 on their lots.
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"Rear drive is back at GM--and not just at Cadillac. GM's new rear-drive Zeta platform will make its debut in Australia in April 2006 with the launch of the all-new Holden Commodore sedan and Monaro coupe. But the versatile Zeta--which will be built in long-wheelbase form for Holden's upscale Statesman and also with all-wheel drive for its crossover and pickup models--also is scheduled to spawn a bunch of American GM cars ... Read More
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July GTO sales
GM Sales Results 865 retail sales in July (6th through August 1), after the car was removed from the Employee Price For Everyone plan. There are currently 2066 GTO's in inventory (versus 1750 at the start of the month). Amazingly, 168 of those are still 2004 models. The last batch of 2005's have left Australia (they're on one or two boats, not sure) and should arrive in Benecia, CA sometime this ... Read More
Ford Mustang (2005) vs. 2005 Pontiac GTO
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Re: GTO like Vette EXEMPT from Employee pricing promo [kevm14]
I always enjoy hearing things like this. When has a manufacturer NOT sold every vehicle it can build? EVER? Pontiac did NOT sell all the 2004 GTO's it built yet! There are still some new lingering around
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Re: Not dull [gottabgto]
It's fun to keep up with or out run $70k CLK AMG 55's. Motor Trend did a head to head comparo with 2004 GTO vs 2004 AMG. Benz is the better car, but the Pontiac, "holden" did very well against it for less then half the price.
Pontiac GTO Prices Paid and Buying Experience
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Re: Bought GTO Ed Morse Sawgrass, FL [straycat]
Yeah, well, I guess greed runs in the family... as you might expect, "Sherwood" in Delray Beach is Sherwood Sheehan, the brother of the guy who took over Sheehan Pontiac from the father.... Thanks again for the info; I was actually interested in the Impulse Blue one at Ed Morse, which, as you said, was sold the evening you bought... Best of luck with the car! (I may decide to opt ... Read More
Pontiac GTO
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How to search for a 2004?
Hmmm.... appears you can't use the Vehicle Locator on the Pontiac website, nor the gmbuypower website to search for a 2004 GTO.... buypower only gives Oldsmobile as a choice for 2004, and Vehicle Locator on Pontiac.com only gives 2005 as selection choice. Anyone know how to search for left-over 2004's?? Thanks!
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Re: GTO and HP 2004 [coreyvh]
Sadly the '04 auto has poor low end torque although not as low as yours sounds. You should easily be able to smoke'm off the line. I drove several autos and they were awsome cars. It was a tough decision but I ultimately went for the manual just for the low end torque. Pontiac knows about that problem because they messed with the torque management in the '05 and it is ... Read More
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GTO problems
Well, I may not be the guy to ask since my first GTO was "exchanged" by GM due to problems. Frankly, most of them were caused by a problematic dealer service department. Replacement car has been solid. The engine in the 2004 is the tried-and-true LS1 which has been in use since 1997/1998 in the Corvette and F-body. The 2005 has the new LS2, which is significantly changed, and probably too ... Read More
Ford Mustang (2005) vs. 2005 Pontiac GTO
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GTO sales up 78% now vs this time last year! [tayl0rd]
An upgraded motor has started to nudge sales of the Pontiac GTO in the right direction. Sales of the two-door, V-8 coupe with the classic muscle-car name were up 65 percent in April compared with the same month in 2004. And through the first third of the year, GTO sales are up 78 percent. Yes they are on pace to sell all 12,000 GTO this year
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Re: stang22 [stang22]
I do NOT have a GTO, had a Mustang whcih was great, too many problems. Contemplating buying a GTO, but have not yet. The GM Zeta Rear drive program is alive down under in Austraila just not for the US, that kind of stunk. Certain people are complaining about this 2004-2005 not being a real GTO etc. Hate to tell you but the 1964 and 1974 were NOT real GTO's then ... Read More
Pontiac GTO Prices Paid and Buying Experience
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Some Dealers Never Learn
The Columbus Dispatch has an interesting ad today. Dennis Pontiac is offering a 2004 GTO for only $27,490! This is based on an MSRP of $33,190 minus $1000 GM Hot Button Rebate and less $4700 "Dennis Discount." Sooooo, with the $5000 final payout they received on the car from GM, they are still trying to net more than MSRP for the vehicle at this late date. I test drove this particular ... Read More
Ford Mustang (2005) vs. 2005 Pontiac GTO
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Ill go on too... Held it's own gainst CLK55
Motor trend on the $70k Mercedes CLK 55 vs the 350hp 2004 $35k Pontiac GTO. ..........The Pontiac GTO provides perhaps 85 to 90 percent of the goodness-for less than 50 percent of the cost. It isn't that this odd-duck matchup says anything disparaging about the CLK55. It just shows the praiseworthiness of the GTO. Proff Positive that, depending on your tase and budget, LESS can sometimes BE MORE.......... Pretty impressive to ... Read More
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Re: issues [graphicguy]
I NEVER drove the manual Mustang or GTO so I can't comment, I drove both Automatic Stang and GTO. I prefer Automatic only. Automatic GTO had a better shifting feel then Mustangs automatic to me. Pontiac has the automatic GTO being a hair faster then manual, both 0-60 and 1/4 mile times. In my test drives, the GTO road more like a Mercedes, more luxurious then Mustang. Smoother/better. In my opinion. ... Read More
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Hey, I owned a Nova...
...a 1970 (Grampa's car, it was pre-dented, had it through most of college - it was just like the one Eddie Murphy drove in "Beverly Hills Cop"). IIRC it was RWD. The '87 my Dad wanted me to buy when the tranny dropped on my '70 was a FWD econobox. Not to mention the size difference in the cars. I don't know why people have such a cow about the GTO ... Read More
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Re: GTO gives slightly more hp for the buck [graphicguy]
http://www.havican.com/GTO/ 2004 GTOproductionfigures For the 2004 GTO it was pretty much a 50/50 split on Auto vs manual shift. 53.8% were Manual shift and 46.1% were automatic shift. there was 15,728 total sold for 2004l. 8,466 were 6spd manual and 7,262 were 4spd auto. I am an enthusiast but opted for the 4spd auto, Pontiacs brochure says the Auto is 1/10th faster then Manual 0-60 and 1/4 mile. City gas mileage ... Read More
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Let the market decide
Pontiac GTO: Heavy incentives by the end of its' first year on the market! GM begs its loyalists with unheard of additional incentives for GM credit card holders. Even this won't help them meet their sales goals, and many 2004 models sit unloved on dealers' lots well into 2005. Ford Mustang: No sign of discounts, not to mention incentives! Quite the contrary, most dealers will not even honor the employee or ... Read More
Pontiac GTO
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Re: How would you find an '04 GTO to buy? [oran]
http://www.gmbuypower.com click on Pontiac, then GTO. At some point there is a pop-up that defaults to 2005 - but you can click on it and select 2004. Be aware most of the 900-some odd '05's left are mostly A4 cars. Expect to pay invoice price less the $5k buyout less any current incentives (i.e. last month was $1k March Madness on cars older than 120 days on the lot - I ... Read More
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Re: It gets worse mileage [elias]
Yes, only the A4 gets the guzzler tax, and the '05 (LS2) gets a $300 increase over the '04 (LS1) in the guzzler tax. If only we had a 6-speed auto... The coupe Vette is 3179 pounds and its LS2-powered A4 is rated at 18/26. The GTO is 3725 pounds and its LS2-powered A4 is rated at 16/21 - same as the LS1-powered A4 2004. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2004_Pontiac_GTO.shtml http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2005_Pontiac_GTO.shtml --Robert
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GTO vs. 6-series
Pardon my GM bias (I am a 2004 GTO owner), but I do think that you can compare these two cars: http://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/6/645CiCoupe http://www.pontiac.com/gto I've been helping my sister look for a new car (she absolutely wants a stick and has been looking at BMW's). On paper, these cars are very comparable. I am sure that more amenities (Nav, Xenon, et. al.) are available on the BMW than on the GTO, but ... Read More
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new Pontiac GTO
I hope the 2007-2008 Pontiac GTO, which will be built here, looks as good as the all-new 2006 Pontiac Solstice roadster. The Pontiac Solstice was first shown as a concept at the 2002 Detroit auto show in Jan, 2002. It was shown at the 2004 Detroit auto show in production form. Here is the 2004 Pontiac GTO Ram Air 6. It was a show car, not a production car. Also, sales ... Read More
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Re: passed on the gto [lhess]
lhess - different strokes for different folks. It's the stealth look that appeals to me about the 2004 - the less attention grabbing the better. I always thought Pontiacs looked idiotic with the tacked on plastic scoops, spoilers clown noses, side louvres, etc. You definitely shouldn't let your bad experiences with Pontiac mechanical quality cloud your view of the GTO - it's not designed or built by Pontiac.
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new Pontiac GTO
An advantage with the new Pontiac GTO's bland styling is that it won't attract cops. I do think the styling needs to be more aggresive though. This is the 2004 Pontiac GTO Ram Air 6.
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Re: new Pontiac GTO [sputterguy]
Try here: http://www.seriouswheels.com/top-2004-Pontiac-GTO-Ram-Air-6.htm
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Re: coolhandluke [brushbandit]
At the time (and pretty much still do)I like the Celica GTS too much to part with it. Without the GTS it would have been no question. Without the GTS I would have bought the GTO 3 months prior and would have paid $27,000 (before the rebates were offered) and I would have really been kicking myself. Jury is still out on trade in value on the 04. Who is going ... Read More
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Re: coolhandluke [graphicguy]
Graphic guy, I could have done even better. At year end I was offered an additional $6,000 off from my GM Card. That would have put the price at $17,500. No kidding! I still did not pull the trigger. I hated the pedal setup for the 6 speed, hated the lack of view out the back window (which no one mentions - the rear deck lid is high and the window ... Read More
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shifter/paint
Others on another discussion board have reported the same "can't get into reverse" issue. Lots of folks have made it custom to put the car into 3rd and then shift into reverse. Others have switched to Redline D4 tranny fluid. Some others have found there's a TSB (04-07-31-003) on pressure plate bolts (cars with VINs lower than 4L234149) which helps the problem. And some say there's a new-design shifter (to avoid ... Read More
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Re: 'Thunk in the Trunk' [sputterguy]
Knocking Noise from Rear of Vehicle on Aggressive Launch or Acceleration (Install Rear Suspension Crossmember Front Mount Insulators) #04-03-09-003A - (Apr 20, 2004) Knocking Noise from Rear of Vehicle on Aggressive Launch or Acceleration (Install Rear Suspension Crossmember Front Mount Insulators) 2004 Pontiac GTO Built Prior to VIN Breakpoint 4L246712 This bulletin is being revised to change a torque specification within the correction procedure. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number ... Read More
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Well...
... GM gave the $5000 payout to dealers. I think that's traditionally the "it's your problem now" payout. GM has NO incentives on any 2004 cars as far as I can tell. And they don't seem inclined to do anything about it. Some folks may come in and get all hot and bothered about the '05 GTO, but can't afford it or can't swing the payments. At that point in ... Read More
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I, could be wrong.
Last Thursday, I talked to the salesman who had offered me $25,000 for a 6 spd GTO two days earlier. He said, he could cut the price another $500. He insisted that I make an offer. With the $6,000 topped earnings of my GM card, I could have bought the car for around $18,000. Definitely, the looks of the car has driven the price down, way way down.. I think ... Read More
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GTO 6 spd for less than $20k
In front me is an offer from GM, “Choose a 2004 Chevy SSR, Pontiac GTO or Cadillac SRX V8 and get $3,000 Bonus Earnings in addition to your original $3,000 topped –off earnings”. That’s $6,000 folks. Add the $5,500 cash or rebate incentives for a total of $11,500. Last time I checked, a salesman at a nearby dealer was offering the car at invoice minus all incentives. Deduct $11,500 from ... Read More
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Re: 2004 GTO paint problem [scottp4]
Frankly, the paint on these cars sucks. I barely got to drive my GTO (2500 miles in about month and a half of driving, spread out over 3 months) and I had a half-dozen stone chips on the hood. Just claying the car seemed to scratch the paint - it's very "soft". The black isn't just black, it's "phantom black" and has some silver metallic in it. As asked before, ... Read More
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2004 GTO paint problem
Has anyone had a paint problem with the '04 GTO? Several days after purchase while washing I noticed primer gray showing through on the hood of my new BLACK GTO. The only fix by GM/Pontiac is to sand and repaint it with a inferior paint job in dealers bodyshop. The service manager warned me that it will be more vunerable to chips and will fade in a few years looking different ... Read More
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'05 Production
Per an 11/22/04 article in Automotive News: Pontiac will cut GTO production by about 30 percent next year, from its 2004 target of 1,300 to 1,500 units a month to 1,000 a month in 2005. Larry Pryg, marketing manager for Pontiac's premium mid-sized cars, admitted Pontiac did not conduct enough initial market research on the GTO, misallocated inventory and missed its initial estimate. "We will adjust production levels, and 12,000 units ... Read More
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How low the price could go???
http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/jedlicka.aspx?make=Pontiac&- model=GTO From above website; “Limited Production Those who want the 2004 GTO better hurry because only 18,000 will be offered annually in America for three years. After that, the car's future is uncertain.” Despite the almost $7,000 discount and the lease that’s almost a giveaway only 1,258 GTOs were sold last month. The year is almost over and 8,513 GTOs are still sitting on dealer’s lot. Those GTO fanatics have ... Read More
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hi ua01682
Hi ua01682 , I went back and looked at the photos I took of it, actually I stand corrected - I find the blue quite handsome now. Although i would still wait for the 2005 for lots of reasons - more power, more goodies and let pontiac work out the kinks on the 2004. Anyway I agree with you that anyone getting their hands on a GTO now, with all the ... Read More
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I am not alone.
Quote: “There are several reasons for the poor sales numbers. The most basic being that GM does not support or promote Pontiac. Would you be surprised if Pontiac went the way of Oldsmobile”. Not the 2004 GTO. I have not seen a car so well promoted and advertised in a long time, other than this GTO. Just before the launch, I had seen numerous GTO tv advertisements. At one time I ... Read More
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Re: sspeedracer, [exzur]
"If you were right, in your post, comparing the 1964 GTO to the 2004 Australian GTO, please explain to me why the original 1964 goat was so successful and the cavalier look alike GTO is a failure? Why is the result so different? Something is wrong somewhere. Don’t you think so?" -exzur I agree that the '04 GTO was a failure. However, I am not surprised and do not think anything ... Read More
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sspeedracer,
From http://web-cars.com/gto/pontiac_index.php, I quote, “Not up for debate was the sales success of the Pontiac GTO. The marketing types predicted that about 10,000 GTOs would be sold; the final tally for 1964 was 32,450” If I remember it right, the projected sale of the cavalier look-alike 2004 GTO was 20,000. GM was very optimistic that buyers will fall in line to buy this car. At first, dealers markup was up ... Read More
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Through July the 2004 GTO had sold over 4,600 units. According to reports they are on track for a 1,100 unit month in August, but there are a lot more net posts recently from new GTO buyers. A Chicago Tribune article quoted the head of Pontiac as saying 2005 GTO would be $1,000 to $1,500 more then the 2004. So $34,999 could be the winner.
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I expect that the remaining 2004's will get some discounts and incentives to move them out. Even with the upgrades I wouldn't expect Pontiac to raise the price of the 2005 much. I'd love to get an Impulse Blue w/6 speed; but my leash is too short. (i.e. not practical enough for the wife and the trunk is too small for a weekend for 3 of us.) Local dealers here moved ... Read More
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I Just Can't Resist
An excerpt from a Pontiac Marketing Division meeting. Jr. Exec. : "Well sir, it seems we have about 175 days surplus of GTO's. We have only sold about 3500 to this point out of our target 16 to 18 thousand. We seem to be a little behind our quota, what should we do sir?" Marketing President: (Sits down his crackpipe, clears his throat) "Why I'm not sure what we should do ... Read More
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Re: bigdaddy [orwoody #1348] RE 2005 GTO UPDATE
Hi, here is the complete report taken from gm media site but I found it posted completly on www.newagegto.com. This is from media.gm.com http://media.gm.com/division/2005_prodinfo.../gto/index.html What’s new for 2005 LS2 6.0L engine replaces LS1 400 horsepower (295 kw) 395 lb.-ft. of torque (546 Nm) Available hood with twin air scoops Revised rear fascia incorporating outlets for new split dual exhaust system Polished exhaust outlet tips Larger brake rotors and calipers Red-painted calipers ... Read More
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Re: [montanafan #1318]
If the dealers read this forum, I'm sure they won't order all GTO's as the Judge. Just look at how many folks have written that they are not interested in/don't want the hood scoops, for example. That must be what GM found in those follow-up calls you mentioned. Considering it's less expensive to offer a "package" of options rather than individual options, probably led to the consideration of a Judge model. ... Read More
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I think the long lead times, as long as 5 months from production acceptance to arrival, is one of the reasons the 2004 was offered with no options other then trans & color. That theory would again lead me to believe that 2005 should be simular. But I have read that it is possible that the scoops/tire upgrade/spoiler could be optional for 2005 based on Pontiac follow up calls with 2004 ... Read More
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Bob Lutz interview
Part of the article- The next version of the GTO: Any changes coming there? It depends on what you mean by the next version. We will have an '05, which is still basically the same body but with some very significant changes which I think will surprise and please some people. You haven't said what they are. Hood scoop? We're not saying, but we always knew that with a car like ... Read More
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Few questions
Hey guys. I'm in my early 20's and interested in buying a 2005 GTO. (depending on the price) I'm lovin the 2004 but i don't want to buy a pre owned car and i'll have the cash in about a year. Does anyone have a link to some pics of the 2005 GTO? Also what would i do about buying one? Go to my nearest GM dealer and inquire about them? ... Read More
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I guess my point is...
the excitement division had advanced orders, heavy promos, and smoke and mirrors for a car already in existence. The Lumina SS already has 18 inch rims, Z06 engine, and a sleeker look. Notice the ground effects and spoilers. I imagine the SS will be 450 HP when it gets the 6.0...wow. Maybe, this thing is too nasty for the USA. Maybe it would kill vette sales. I see the guys over ... Read More
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andys & ruski
The 2004 GTO Advanced Order Program was announced on 6/20/03. They obviously felt (hoped) there would be plenty of pent-up demand. Quoting marketing director Bob Kraut, "With this advanced order program, our Pontiac dealers will have all of the necessary information to assure that buyers lucky enough to purchase one of these GTOs will receive the vehicle they ordered about 90 days after it is built." I know they hit the ... Read More
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Sales
Keep in mind... a. The '94 Chevrolet Impala SS sold about 6,000 units in its first year, when it came only in black. But that car really stood out compared to the rest of the market and it got a ton of great press. Sales increased dramatically in '95 and doubled over that in '96. Think it sold about 65-70,000 units over 3 years. GM/Chevy had a hit. They didn't need ... Read More
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GTO Automatic
Looked over the May 2004 MT test results for their GTO automatic (comparison test with MB CLK55 AMG). MT pans the AT's lack of manumatic control and its spacing: "The Pontiac's transmission also boasts three modes: forward, backward, and stop. ... behaves well enough...the power fall-off at each shift is far greater than that of the [MB], especially on the 3-4 change. It isn't that this transmission is so awful; it ... Read More
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2004 Accessories
Anyone got a web link to the 2004 GTO accessories guide? I've searched everywhere, looking for anything Pontiac or anyone else is offering to make it look better, go faster, or otherwise individualize it. Love the SEMA Autocross version, but no dealer has any info on the body extensions, just happy to throw a Corvette cam and heads on it for $2500....wonder how much just the 'look' would cost? Besides, there's ... Read More
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First drive
Let me tell you about the first time I drove the "GOAT". After many years of staring at my dad's 64 GTO (thats not to be drove)I was thrilled when I was signing for my new 2004 GTO. Let me tell you the drive home was the best. Many black patches left. I gave the dealership a little show as I pulled out onto the road with tires roaring. I could ... Read More
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2004 Pontiac GTO
No Onstar or Satellite radio as options on this car? What gives!
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Early 2005 production schedule?
Hmmmm. Today info was posted about 2005 GTO pilot cars going down the Holden assembly line. I am speculating that we might very well see shortened 2004 production and earlier 2005 production. The 2005 will have hood scoops and dual exhaust and possibly an LS2 engine. I think it is a very real possibility that Pontiac wants to end 2004 production early and get on with the improvements.
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"So what you are saying is that pontiac should have taken a FWD Monte Carlo(or GP for that matter) with a 3.8L V6 and called it a GTO?" They ALMOST did! GM asked a Pontiac enthusiast magazine what they thought of a Grand Am based GTO. They suggested a Grand Prix version, but with AWD. When they asked GTO fans at car shows they learned that it had to be RWD/V8. ... Read More
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Pricing
There are plenty of dealers that have agreed to sell at MSRP and no more. That said, I'm sure that there will be a plethora of Pontiac dealers with their $5,000 ADP (Additional Dealer Profit) mark-up stickers ready and waiting. I still don't really get the Grand Prix comparison... the only thing that even remotely resembles Grand Prix is the front grill shape. And that's got to be there, since it's ... Read More
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The original 1964 GTO was restrained as well,
Visually the only GTO cues were the side fender badges and the chromed plastic "hood scoops" on the hood itself. The 2004 is very much the modern interpretation of the original, a very clean, powerful performance coupe. Both have horizontal stacked headlamps, twin port grilles, clean coupe bodies with chrome tipped exhausts, the 2004 is like the original car only fast forwarded 40 years and with today's Pontiac styling cues. Like ... Read More
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I messed with the 2004 GTO in person.
Pontiac was displaying two finished, 2004 Pontiac GTOs at the Woodward Dream Cruise in Royal Oak Michigan, Saturday August 16th. Both were Phantom Black Metallic, one had a black interior, the other had a red interior. The car had throngs around it, mostly positive comments. In fact, the only people who didn't like it, were rednecks. The car has quite a presence in person, in fact it's large, Buick Riviera or ... Read More
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We'll Know A Lot More After It Comes Out
valhs... You wrote, "The 2004 GTO is what it is." True, but as of today we don't know what it is. No one here owns one or has driven one. And the automotive press hasn't had a chance to even test a full production one. All we know is what GM is telling us. Will be interesting to see how that information compares to what real buyers and the auto mag ... Read More
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Lack of Side Airbags
valhs... The lack of side airbags and seatbelt pretensioners appear confirmed by both the brochure and GM's media information: http://media.gm.com/division/2004_prodinfo/pontiac/pdf/04_Pontiac- - - _GTO.pdf See the top of page 3, "Safety and quality". When you look at the past 5 years and at all of GM's marques, GM has NOT been at the forefront of passive safety equipment, esp. side airbags and pretensioners.
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From the horse's mouth..........
"As one of the "renegade GM engineers" (Russ Gee was the other one) who put the Pontiac 399-cubic-inch V-8 in a Pontiac LeMans which John (DeLorean) called the GTO, I would like to comment on the 2004 GTO. It is too bad the new one does not have hood scoops and dual exhausts. and why not red-line tires? The car...has NO real identification. It is vanilla and does not make any ... Read More
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GTO Information
This Information is from the web site I had in #23 that I printed a few days ago. I can also confirm that there will be I model to the GTO. The Isa or 2VX37 model. Colors: Quicksilver Impulse Blue Barbados Blue Yellow Jacket Torrid Red Phantom Black Cosmo Purple (WHAT!!) There will also be matching interior colors for the interior, gauge, and stiching. Sound System= 6-disk CD changer in-dash, ETR ... Read More
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most boring?
Ah, clearly you've not seen the photos of the new Malibu, then. The neo GTO just looks like a next-generation Grand Prix, mostly...not bad, per se, but pretty typical modern Pontiac. Let's not kid ourselves, though, the original Goats were just slightly glitzier Tempests with big engines. If GM wanted to take the cheap approach to reviving the GTO they'd have dropped a supercharged 3800 engine out of the Bonneville/Grand Prix ... Read More
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Sad imitation of former Muscle Car
Pontiac is on the right track with going retro (but it's not as if it's a new idea either). However, the 2004 GTO (an import rebadged for the American market) is definitely NOT what they should have done to a car that truly has become an icon of American Muscle Car culture. I would jump at the chance to own an original 1970 "Goat," and I'd also jump at the chance ... Read More
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