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Re: [juice1220]
OK, let's take a specific example. Back in 2006, I bought my dad a 750Li. The MSRP was slighly over $93k. I just built the same model on bmwusa.com and it came out to slightly over $90k. Bake in the inflation, it went down a lot. Which MSRP are you referring to? I'd like to see specific figures. I live in California. The only area S550s are selling well is probably ... Read More
High End Luxury Cars
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Re: Mercedes instead of a BMW as your luxury car of choice? [bmlexus]
Yeah, you know what I found in doing my research? That there's an ageist component to the demographics of MBZ afficionados, which is really weird to me. According to some of those surveyed, they thought MBZ "was for old people." I responded, "well maybe it's because they last so long!" I plan to keep my 2006 CLS500 for over 120,000 miles, a) because I drive ALOT and the trade in value ... Read More
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Average Sales Per Franchise
Total Total December January 2006 2007 Lexus 176 104 BMW 91 58 Mercedes-Benz 84 51 Audi 45 24 Jaguar 9 8 Aston Martin 1 1 Rolls-Royce 1 1
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sales
U.S. Market Premium Sales From 2002 to 2006 2006 2002 Change % Porsche 34227 21318 12909 60.55% Infiniti 121146 87911 33235 37.81% Lexus 322434 234109 88325 37.73% Acura 201223 165552 35671 21.55% BMW 274432 232032 42400 18.27% Mercedes Benz 247934 213225 34709 16.28% Audi 90116 85726 4390 5.12% Volvo 115807 110670 5137 4.64% Jaguar 20683 61204 -40521 -66.21%
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Re: A SOON-TO-BE OBITUARY FOR MERCEDES BENZ [reality2]
Less than 10% of Mercedes sold in Europe are S-class. The overwhelming majority of Mercedes sold in Europe are A,B and C classes. The majority of E class sold in Europe are essentially taxicab varieties that have are more lowly equipped than the lowest E class sold here in the US, with 1.8L, 2L, 2.2L, and 2.8L engines. 2006 witnessed Lexus sales in Europe increase by 76%! Lexus is just getting ... Read More
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Re: A SOON-TO-BE OBITUARY FOR MERCEDES BENZ [brightness04]
This is stretching it a bit. Mercedes-Benz sold over 650,000 units in Europe for 2006. Yes, they offer much more in terms of range than Lexus does in Europe, but to assume that the majority was "econoboxes" is a bit sore grapes. Lexus barely hit 40,000 units or so in Europe for 2006 with the majority of increase coming from the RX or the IS and definitely not the LS. The ... Read More
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Re: Oh, the LS has an edge alright. [drfill]
Oh, I beg to differ. Where did the S-Class commercials come from? I thought the S was so incredible it didn't need to advertise? I love it! You change the subject when you're licked! We were talking about the LS getting a series of lukewarm reviews and now you're talking about Mercedes S-Class advertising. Think Mercedes noticed that the buzz is gone, just like that? I wonder what happened? Think it ... Read More
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Mercedes-Benz USA Records Best January Sales Ever
Coming off its thirteenth year of consecutive sales increases, Mercedes-Benz USA (MBUSA) today reported sales of 17,069 new vehicles for January 2007, up 36.9 percent from last January making this the best January sales in the company's history. In 2006, Mercedes-Benz significantly enhanced its competitive presence in the luxury light truck market with the launch of the full-sized luxury SUV: the GL-Class, which sold 1,815 units in January. The popularity of ... Read More
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Top Loyalty Ratings
2006 top 10 manufacturers in retaining customers as reported by J.D. Powers: Toyota -- 63.9% Lexus -- 63.2% Honda -- 60.3% BMW -- 56.5% Scion -- 56.3% Cadillac -- 55.5% Chevrolet -- 55.3% Mercedes-Benz -- 53.6% Ford -- 53.3% Hyundai -- 51.6%
Mercedes-Benz S-Class
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read before buying
Among the vehicles predicted to be least reliable by Consumer Reports, a total of eight Mercedes-Benz vehicles made the list, the most for any one brand. These are the S-Class (2006), CLS, E-Class Sedan, SL, CLK, SLK (V6), M-Class, and R-Class. The redesigned M-Class SUV and new R-Class crossover wee especially disappointing, with between 129 percent and 202 percent more problems than the average vehicle.
High End Luxury Cars
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Re: The C&D Comparo [hpowders]
I have never, ever seen so much whinning over a comparo. Now people are claiming to know many editors and how they're such an expert in the publishing industry so they're qualified to say the review was a joke. Knowing editors for non-automotive publications and being in the publishing industry has what exactly to do with testing cars? Yes, Car and Driver, the home of more LS400 and LS430 wins than ... Read More
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Re: Ultralow-sulfur diesel prices [syswei]
Even running 87 octane at that rate has the diesel about $7 ahead. That adds up quickly over a few years of ownership. That last line is a joke. Based on the author's figures saving $7 every 740 miles translates into saving $700 for the first 74,000 miles of driving. Whoopy Dooo! Is this what the author calls quick savings Higher relative diesel prices in North America versus Europe is not ... Read More
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BMW Diesels
This link must have been missed by some. I think Dewey might have posted it originally. Anyway BMW isn't bringing diesels to the US any time soon: "While Volkswagen and Mercedes already sell diesels in the U.S. market, BMW has no plans to do so any time soon and declines to use the BLUETEC name, currently being used to help sell Mercedes-Benz E 320s that run on ultra low sulphur diesel ... Read More
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Canadian Sales Results for November
Dewey, just for you - Here is the complete list of Canadian sales results for the month of November. The overall market was up 2.7% compared to November 2005. Winners (November 2006 vs. November 2005) Acura - up 27.9% (down 5.6% YTD) Audi - up 12.5% (up 13.3% YTD) BMW - up 3.8% (up 11.1% YTD) DaimlerChrysler - up 8.4% (down 0.1% YTD) Ford - up 15.4% (up 8.4% YTD) Honda ... Read More
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Re: November Sales Data for Lexus LS and Mercedes S-Class [tagman]
The sales comparisons for the monthly data are year-over-year. Lexus LS sales for November 2006 increased by 116.3% compared to November 2005 and Mercedes S-Class sales for November 2006 increased by nearly 100% compared to November 2005.
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Turmoil
I, too, look at AutoSpies sometimes to watch the posts. It's pretty hilarious. The people there are in constant fighting- it's like Lexus vs. Audi vs. BMW all the time! It's much more civilized here. And I wouldn't have it any other way. I'm assessing all the cars in the high-end class, from worst to best: Jaguar XJ: Old-world British charm just doesn't cut it any more. This car is beautiful ... Read More
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Tag
... and not changing for changes sake. Change is an ongoing process in the automobile industry. Merc has constantly, ad-nausium, put up pics of Mercedes evolution in exterior styling. But they are at best inconsistent on interior styling, as the 1998, 2000, and 2006 have little incommon with each other. I didn't know the wheel needed reinvention. Meaningless point. And the interior relationship to BMW is well-known and unmistakable. How is ... Read More
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Re: Tag [drfill]
Merc has constantly, ad-nausium, put up pics of Mercedes evolution in exterior styling. But they are at best inconsistent on interior styling, as the 1998, 2000, and 2006 have little incommon with each other. I didn't know the wheel needed reinvention. Mercedes interiors aren't "restyled", they are thrown out and started from scratch! Which is how design works when you trying to keep things fresh. For years Mercedes used the same ... Read More
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Re: Tag [drfill]
... and not changing for changes sake. Change is an ongoing process in the automobile industry. Merc has constantly, ad-nausium, put up pics of Mercedes evolution in exterior styling. But they are at best inconsistent on interior styling, as the 1998, 2000, and 2006 have little incommon with each other. I didn't know the wheel needed reinvention. Meaningless point. And the interior relationship to BMW is well-known and unmistakable. How is ... Read More
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Tag
So, it also makes sense to re-style the interiors of cars as well. Not an easy accomplishment, but Mercedes rose to the occasion. Lexus only tweaked the same old interior dash/center stack/console layout, while Mercedes S-Class interior represents a more recent and contemporary restyle. Contemporary to what? Buyers wanted the LS to offer AWD, more trunk sapce, more rear seat room, more features, more power. Lexus delivered. Apparently, the interior design ... Read More
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Re: Seems like our debate is worldwide [2001gs430]
Thanks for that article. This quote: For its part, a spokesman for Mercedes says that the data in the Consumer Reports rankings "is totally out of sync with what we're seeing in the mainstream research..." Made me wonder, what "mainstream research" was the MB spokesman refering to, since the JDP IQS says largely the same thing as CR when it comes to 2006 MB models? Or was he just trying to ... Read More
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Seems like our debate is worldwide
Thought you folks might find interesting the following highlights from an article in the LA Times 11/15/06: In Japan, a Lexus just doesn't have that cachet Despite its popularity in the U.S., the Toyota brand faces skeptical consumers at home. ... in Japan, most luxury car buyers have eyeballed the Lexus, kicked its tires and said, "Give me something European." Germany's Mercedes and BMW are still the luxury cars of choice ... Read More
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Diesels, Hybrids, EPA...
An interesting tidbit from the Carconnection.com: For instance, the 2006 Mercedes-Benz E320 CDI posts EPA estimates of 27 city, 37 highway, for a combined figure of 30, yet owners (seven of them so far) report an average of more than 33 mpg. The 2007 version I drove, with its updated Bluetec engine that will be 50-state compatible next year with a new urea-injection system to cut nitrogen oxide emissions by 80 ... Read More
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press request
A reporter from a large daily newspaper is looking to speak to Mercedes-Benz owners in the Washington DC area about the expectations you have with the car when you purchase it and any problems you’ve had to deal with. Please provide your daytime contact info to ctalati@edmunds.com no later than Monday, October 16, 2006.
Mercedes-Benz S-Class
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press request
A reporter from a large daily newspaper is looking to speak to Mercedes-Benz owners in the Washington DC area about the expectations you have with the car when you purchase it and any problems you’ve had to deal with. Please provide your daytime contact info to ctalati@edmunds.com no later than Monday, October 16, 2006.
High End Luxury Cars
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Re: No auto sales data today [oac]
My warmest greetings to you OAC. Here is a quote about the LS from a Lexus PR man himself about how the current Lexus LS430 and previous LS models compared with other models: At Lexus for instance, Mr. Carter concedes that up until now, when wealthy customers considered their choices for premium luxury cars, "we weren't on those shopping lists" next to the segment defining Mercedes S Class and BMW 7 ... Read More
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Re: What the hell? [merc1]
This from a man who heads up the same company that depends on suvs and large pickups for their survival! This is said as GM gets ready to roll out their most important vehicles of all, full-size pickups! What am I missing here? The answer to your question could be the Sequel. The gas-alternative route seems to be GM's new Crusade. I just hope GM will live up to its hype. ... Read More
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Head of Lexus questions whether the LS really was a HELM
Even the head of Lexus thinks the current LS430 and prior LS models was not considered by buyers as a premium luxury car (in other words a HELM) At Lexus for instance, Mr. Carter concedes that up until now, when wealthy customers considered their choices for premium luxury cars, "we weren't on those shopping lists" next to the segment defining Mercedes S Class and BMW 7 series SOURCE WALL STREET JOURNAL ... Read More
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A Taste of Lexus....2006
Well today was the day, I got to drive the LS460L, didn't even bother with the SWB LS460. I also drove the GS450h, IS350, SC430 and GS350. IS350 - Easily my favorite Lexus. Powerful, snug, pretty good looking, and fast as hell. I can see why there are complaints about rear seat room though. While fast it still isn't as buttoned down as the last 3-Series I drove. I like the ... Read More
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Is 'Dr. Z' Kaput as Chrysler's TV Pitchman?
Appears Dr. Z's message about MB engineering in Chryslers is just not working as planned. He is certainly no Iaccoca. Here is a little blurb from Wall Street Journal. Created by the Detroit office of Omnicom Group's BBDO, the "Dr. Z" campaign cost $100 million and has been running since July. It relies on Mr. Zetsche, with his distinctive, bushy mustache and German accent, for a light-hearted setting of a somewhat ... Read More
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Re: I wonder... [blkhemi]
I doubt if we'll see any 6-cylinder or even smaller V8 model from BMW, Mercedes, or Jaguar here anymore in their top sedan models. BMW sells both a 730i and 740i Europe, I6 and 4.0L V8 models respectively. If I'm not mistaken the 740i has 306hp, and the 730i has 230hp? Not really sure about the 730i. Audi and Jaguar also have smaller engined versions of their flagship cars over there ... Read More
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New MB CL Class
More details on the new MB CL Class: In autumn 2006 Mercedes-Benz is launching the culmination of more than 50 years of coupé tradition with the new CL-Class. The new two-door model combines peerless exclusivity and charismatic design with trailblazing technology which no other car brand is able to offer. The luxury coupé enters new dimensions in vehicle safety with PRE-SAFE® Brake, a unique system which automatically brakes the Coupé when ... Read More
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Re: Edmunds True Cost To Own [blkhemi]
Hmmm...sorry, but you had better check your math on retained values. Edmunds does not have the 2007 LS listed but you can compare the 2006 LS VS. the 2006 S 600. According to Edmunds the 06 LS cost $61,918. and at the end of 5 years it will be worth $28,295. A 46% retained value. Also according to Edmunds the 06 S 600 cost $148,170. and at the end of 5 ... Read More
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Electronics
HORSEPOWER is nice, but processing power is better. That seems to be the motto of the modern car, which is becoming as much an electronic system as a mechanical one. In some cars, such as the Mercedes-Benz S-Class or the BMW 7-Series, electronics already account for some $10,000-20,000 of the price. The most rapid growth is in the area of information and entertainment systems, sales of which will increase by 10% ... Read More
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Edmunds True Cost To Own
I know this is not important to most of you here but I decided to do some calculations comparing the 2006 LS 430 with the car it is mostly compared to here, the Mercedes S 600. True cost of ownership over 5 years as follows: 1. Mercedes- $178,633. (Yikes!) 2. Lexus- $77,212. Now I can better understand the exclusivity of the S 600, though it seems to be a rather poor ... Read More
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Re: Canadian Driver August 15, 2006 [brightness04]
I didn't come up with those words. The reviewer from Canadian Driver did. His point was obvious-the 2007 LS is about as agile and clumsy as the vehicle it replaces, and is about as much created for driving pleasure as a cobra is designed to give you a tummy rub. Add the grabby, impossible to modulate to a smooth stop brakes, and it's looking better and better for the Mercedes Benz ... Read More
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Re: Canadian Driver August 15, 2006 [merc1]
Well that is why I have elected not to post on the LS-specific board if I'm not really seeking information about the car. That is only fair, IMO. I wouldn't want them on the MB-specific boards. Well, the wonderful thing for us is that the LS is a HELM and is "on topic" for us to discuss. On the other hand, they are technically not supposed to discuss at length the ... Read More
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Re: Canadian Driver August 15, 2006 [hpowders]
Well in all fairness it appears that the press introduction didn't include any LS460s with the sportier suspension setup. There is another review, just posted on the British site Autocar. See article. A few quotes: At its core, the new 375bhp, 4.6-litre V8 provides excellent performance (0-62mph in 5.7sec) but needs to be worked hard to deliver it. That strongly suggests that it actually needs its eight gears rather the transmission ... Read More
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Re: 2006 JD Power VDS released [lexusguy]
Interesting report. Lexus swept the premium segments with the exception of compact sports car (they dont have one), and full size lux SUV, which they lost to Cadillac. The Z4 and SLK were nominated, but lost to the S2000. So does it at least *seem* like Mercedes is improving? I remember MB being much lower than that in previous years for the 3-year survey? M
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2006 JD Power VDS released
http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/releases/pressrelease.asp?ID=2006133 Interesting report. Lexus swept the premium segments with the exception of compact sports car (they dont have one), and full size lux SUV, which they lost to Cadillac. The Z4 and SLK were nominated, but lost to the S2000. Cadillac, Jaguar and BMW all did very well. BMW actually slightly edged out Infiniti, which is surprising, as this VDS doesn't include the awful QX56. Mercedes was below average, but well ... Read More
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Re: Actually, [syswei]
I haven't really been reading what all the fuss is about with the surveys this time around, but I do think JDP should have broken the IQS into two surveys because certain brands (like BMW) rank differently when you break down the two categories they used this year: A little something I saw on MBWorld.org, someone posted the breakout for the study: Auto news More rankings June 8, 2006 Email this ... Read More
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Re: Hi Everyone! [ljflx]
DCX is definitely on the right path. SOURCE: Reuters DCX saw its operating profit in the second quarter rise 11 percent to $2.37 billion USD. The profits were made on the backs of the Mercedes Car Group, which saw its operating profit skyrocket from just $15.3 million a year ago to $1.03 billion in 2Q 2006 And what about the USA? SOURCE: link title Mercedes-Benz USA (MBUSA) today reported its highest ... Read More
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S Class hybrid
It appears the uniqueness of the hybrid LS will be short lived by an upcoming hybrid MB S Class. Though IMO a Blutec diesel Benz seems far exciting than either a hybrid Lexus or Benz. Hopefully there will be a Blutec hybrid S Class versus just a plain vanilla hybrid. FRANKFURT, July 15, 2006; Reuters reported that DaimlerChrysler's luxury Mercedes brand plans to market its first hybrid car in 2008, a ... Read More
Mercedes-Benz S-Class Prices Paid and Buying Experiences
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Planning to buy a 2006 S-Class (new)
Believe it or not, I prefer the outgoing body style/interior to the new '07 model and was wondering if anyone has had any recent buying experience from a Mercedes dealership. Are they offering great deals on the '06? Any input would be appreciated.
High End Luxury Cars
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check this out
World's most expensive lemon? Dealership says $1.7 million car won't run and maker Mercedes-Benz won't fix it. June 15, 2006: 9:58 AM EDT NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) - The owner of a Los Angeles car dealership is suing Mercedes-Benz, its parent company DaimlerChrysler and other affiliates, alleging that a $1.7 million car purchased in 2004 wouldn't run for more than 10 blocks without problems.
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Re: Sources: Porsche, Hyundai make big gains in quality study [syswei]
So in short it seems that Mercedes and particularly BMW (this time around) got killed due to complicated driver-control interfaces. Why not have two different surveys then? One for reliability and another for design. Lumping them together is dumb IMO. MB and BMW are going to be wiped out on these surveys unless every single owner understands every aspect of the car. Because an owner doesn't understand something it is now ... Read More
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Re: Hey, I wanna agree too! [hansienna]
Now, everybody makes powerful, almost TOO powerful, luxury cars, even NON-luxury cars, like 300C. Where is the niche for a new luxury marque? Audi, Acura and Infiniti still haven't found it, and have been on the trail for 15 years! Thats exactly what I said the last time the "Hyundai is going to crush the world with their BMW\Lexus\Mercedes killer" argument came up. The HELM market in 1989 and the HELM ... Read More
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Misc ramblings......
As ljflx pointed out Lexus has switched their emphasis over to their cars right in the nick of time because without the new ES and IS they'd be looking an YTD sales loss for the first time in many years. Their long-running SUV sales juggernaught is dying fast. That said, you can't stick Toyota at either end. While Ford, GM and now even Chrysler all post sales losses, Toyota posts huge ... Read More
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Re: Diesel, ethanol over hybrids [blkhemi]
Merc: I read in Autocar last week that Mercedes is fiddling with the possibility of a S600 diesel. I wonder if this is the surprise that they've promised since it's release? DCX has reportedly given the green light to Chrysler to let their end of the business use the Bluetec 3.2L CDI. Good news indeed. I'm not sure. I just remember seeing some type of model introduction sheet for the W221 ... Read More
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Re: Merc [drfill]
You were right about C-Class sales. Ok! I missed that one. It sells much more than I thought. Bingo! Finally! But you are also guilty of lack of research, and saying without knowing! Nope. Not. You seem to like to pick on the GS, as I do the C-Class. For some reason you are quick to jump on BMW's bandwagon, while the E-Class gets passed over easily in comparisons, like it's ... Read More
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Re: So I was right! [lexusguy]
Isn't it though. When I read that comparo in SCI I was like they must have made a mistake when printing! The problem with the whole thing is though Mercedes facelifted the C-Class for the 2005 model year, but the engines didn't come until the 2006 model year. Both the engine and interior updates were badly needed and should have been done at the same time. The C350 would have been ... Read More
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Re: Tagman [drfill]
"Lexus will be the Mercedes of the 21st Century! Build it slow and steady." I think records speak the volume. While I still consider Mercedes as #1 luxury brand (not by sale figures or quality), it seems losing ground to Lexus in recent years (espcially among the elite buyers)and the gap will be widen if Mercedes does not improve its quality program or keep their customers happy. http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=14&article_id=3193 January 2006 According ... Read More
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Re: Got my S-class marketing data in the mail today [ljflx]
Hi All, The old S Class has a nicer design. I, for one, could do without all the complicated interface systems that are coming out in these cars. I normally try to buy cars to keep them, as I've done with my 1992 LS400. I really haven't been able to find a car that really tickles my fancy. I'm put off by the new designs from all of these High End ... Read More
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Re: Mercedes sales are getting better and better [syswei]
I wonder how that compares to the first month sales of the outgoing S, when it was brand new? The 2000 S-Class was released (the 1st year of the previous body) in March 1999. The total MB units sold for that month was about 16k+, which is pretty close to the month of the 2007 S-Class release (Feb 2006) of 17k+. The 2000 S-Class sold 2403 units in its first month, ... Read More
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LOL!! I dig you, Merc!
:P I like you, Merc. You make me laugh! If Matrix were here, he'd laugh too. Take the gloves off and start swingin'! ;) Alright, let's see if you'll follow this line of questioning: 1. Was that a good picture of a vehicle for a national print ad campaign? 2. I omitted BMW for three very good reasons. One, their ads are consistent to their slogan and mantra, which has NEVER ... Read More
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Re: to ljflx - good opinions and $$$ [ljflx]
My point wasn't a personal dig at your "tastes". I just didn't (don't) understand how the new S could be so ugly when the 1995-2000 LS400 and 2001-2006 LS430 weren't. A style question, nothing more. As much as I've said negatively about the current CLK before its facelift and the Maybach, you of all people should know I wouldn't cut a truly ugly Benz product a break because it is a ... Read More
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Two Tings!
First, I want to mention the IS's total hotness, as I should have gave it an Honorable Mention, since I was in a discussion of general styling between marques, Japan vs. German. It is a close second to the 5-series, and better-looking than a 3, which is alright. And my #2, the sales numbers for Mercedes-Benz last month: January January Monthly YTD YTD Yearly Model '06 '05 % 2006 2005 % ... Read More
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Re: 2006 Detroit Autoshow Pics.....HELM (cont.) [tagman]
Also, its only real competition at this point is the BMW X3, which it should undercut by thousands. I think Benz has backed off of the B-class in the US for exchange rate reasons, and Lexus, Infiniti, and VW are still working on their challengers.
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Re: 2006 Detroit Autoshow Pics.....HELM (cont.) [merc1]
As far as the rice-burners go, I like Acura, too. I have a hard time liking Nissan, though. Even back when they were marketed here under the Datsun nameplate, they were never as good as the Toyotas, truthfully. And I still think that they are not as good a product in terms of engineering and quality. The newest Acuras, BTW, according to Honda corporate, will be true Acuras (not Honda derivatives) ... Read More
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Re: 2006 Detroit Autoshow Pics.....HELM (cont.) [tagman]
Well for me it has historically been Mercedes, Ferrari, BMW, Porsche and Audi. Recently Porsche and Audi have moved ahead of BMW on my desireability scale. Though I still want certain BMWs. Still though I just like European cars in general the most. From Japan INC. I still like Acura, but Infiniti is #1 out of Japan for me now. M
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Re: 2006 Detroit Autoshow Pics.....HELM (cont.) [merc1]
Before I was even old enough to drive, the Mercedes and Jaguars were the ones that were special to my eyes. (Very young, I had a red Jaguar XKE replica on my shelf that I thought was the world's most beautiful car!) I always thought of Cadillacs as a GM "joke" on folks that needed to "look" rich, and I will admit that back then the Lincoln Continental did catch my ... Read More
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Re: 2006 Detroit Autoshow Pics.....HELM (cont.) [tagman]
Sure. I'm pretty embarrased to admit what my favorite luxury brand was up until Mercedes. For me it was the new for 1986 W124 E-Class. This car's engineering details - the single blade wiper, spring-suspended seats, different size rear-view mirrors etc. are what initially attracted me to the brand. Then I drove one and found out that they didn't drive anything like my favorite luxury brand at that time - the ... Read More
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Re: 2006 Detroit Autoshow Pics.....HELM (cont.) [merc1]
merc1, As you know, I don't go near as far back in this forum as some of you other posters, but I've probably posted enough by now for you to get a sense of some of my views and opinions, as I have gotten a sense of yours. Your respect and admiration for the Mercedes line particularly has been interesting to me right out of the gate. Would you mind elaborating ... Read More
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2006 Detroit Autoshow Pics.....HELM (cont.)
Last but not least, Audi and BMW: Audi: Q7: The S8 with the big grille everyone hates and one regular A8: RS4: S6: BMW: A few more from Mercedes-Benz: M
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2006 Detroit Autoshow Pics.....HELM (cont.)
Mercedes-Benz S65 AMG: SLR: CLS55 AMG: S550: SL55 AMG: M
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2006 Detroit Autoshow Report!
Well I'm back. I see I haven't missed anything, but 325+ posts about the same stuff we've been arguing about for years now it seems!! I may or may not go back through all of those posts to respond to some of the more curious items. Anyway, down to business. This year's NAIAS was without a doubt the best I've ever been too. The sheer number of new cars and stunning ... Read More
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My 2006 predictions....in response to merc1
BMW - Up but may not reach 300,000 sales. Lexus - Up substantially in 2006. New LS should be a hit. Mercedes-Benz - Flat. Up or down slightly (~2%) for 2006. New C and E needed for the next big sales jump. Audi - Down for 2006. Not distinct enough to succeed against BMW and Mercedes. Infiniti - Flat or down slightly for 06. A super Q (a la LS) is ... Read More
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A Shift in Gears..........
What are everyone's predictions for 2006 brandwise? What new products does everyone's fav brand have on the way (that we somewhat know about that is)? I'll start with the two most popular first. BMW - 300K+ units for 2006? The 3-Series continues its rollout and will save BMW's overall sales picture from the pending downturn in 7-Series sales. (a new S is in town). E-Class and 5-Series will duke it out ... Read More
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Re: Certainly no mercedes vehicles look similar [idele]
The previous S had a sleek tailored look that was very attractive. The new S seems to revert to the bulky style of the S preceding that one. First part of this is true - I agree. I passed a 2006 S500 Sport this morning in Pewter, absolutely gorgeous. However the new car doesn't look nearly as bulky in person as the 1992 Blitzen Benz S-Class. M
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From the NY Times
Note the View from Here line. Apparently Lexus doesn't think much of the A8 as it excludes Audi completely by considering only two German competitors. Note also the price issue. This will probably be a car that tops out in the 75K-79K range in a fully loaded LWB edition, 65-70K in the SWB edition and probably in the 85-95K range in the hybrid version where there will be some goodies avaialable ... Read More
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MB and Audi are on the rigth track!
The future has never looked better for both MB and Audi. AUDI Martin Winterkorn, Audi's chief executive officer, is betting on the Q7 to help him reach a goal of doubling U.S. sales by the end of the decade. Wolfsburg, Germany-based Volkswagen aims to sell 300,000 Volkswagen-brand vehicles in the U.S. in 2008, a 30 percent increase from 2005, Adrian Hallmark, who heads the North American unit, said. Mercedes Benz Dieter ... Read More
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wsj quote
DaimlerChrysler AG's Klaus Maier, head of sales at the company's Mercedes Car Group division...said he expects car sales in 2006 at Mercedes to come in around last year's level. source article Not clear if he meant US or worldwide, but with the E being refreshed in the first half, and with the new S, shouldn't they do better than flat this year?
Mercedes-Benz S-Class Lease Questions
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Re: Mercedes-Benz S-Class: Lease Questions [ffcobra]
Congratulations, Bill! I know the feeling about having to switch cars when a new arrival comes. When I had my son, I switched from a coupe with a manual transmission to a sedan with an automatic :D. You're in luck, Mercedes-Benz is still providing $10,000 dealer cash on the 2006 S500 Sedan in January. If I was in the market for one though, I personally would probably lean towards financing it ... Read More
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Re: 2005 sales [brightness04]
I see, still spinning with that MSRP nonsense. Earth to Mitsubishi1, MSRP has little bearing on true acquisition cost for Mercedes nowadays with all the discount going on. It's about as absurd as calling Maybach a $350k car when there is a $100k discount, and it's cross-shopped with a $170k Bentley by every would-be acquirer. MSRP is only relevent to the scribe who has no snow ball's chance in frozen you-know-where ... Read More
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Re: HELM board or what ??? [oac]
Saw the new R-class wagon today in person. What an ugly POS, sorry ! My daughter called it a *whale* and I couldn't agree more. And wrt a GL class, in the days of low demand for SUV ... timing couldn't be worse for MB thinking it can buy market share with land yatch SUVs in 2006 ? Who is in charge in Stuttgart these days ? Saw an LS430, ES330 ... Read More
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Another '07 S-Class fan - NOT!
Karl Brauer, editor-in-chief of Edmunds.com, has this to say about the styling of the '07 S: ... in 2006 automakers are showing too much flair, both literally and figuratively. Let's take the all-new 2007 Mercedes-Benz S-Class as an example. This model has long represented the pinnacle of the Mercedes brand. It's supposed to exude refinement and elegance because that's what S-Class buyers exude (or at least that's what these buyers tell ... Read More
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Truck/car sales [syswei]
The blend of trucks sold vs. cars seems to vary from year to year. Cayenne really boosted Porsche sales when it first came out. It is still a big seller by Porsche standards but the Boxster is very hot right now. The Escalade line was big for several years. The new Cadillac cars are selling very well, overshadowing the trucks. I expect the new cars from Mercedes will put MB trucks ... Read More
Mercedes-Benz S-Class Lease Questions
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Re: Mercedes-Benz S-Class: Lease Questions [Car_man]
Hi Car_Man - My wife's pregnant with our first child and we have two sports cars, so one has to go to make room for a 4-door. We has almost decided to buy an E500 used until I saw an eBay ad from a company called Dick Dyer MB in SC that was selling S500's for about $16,500 off the sticker. That was yesterday. Today, the $10,000 MB money seems to ... Read More
High End Luxury Cars
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Good news for Mercedes....
Strong October thru December sales put MB sales in the black again: this is 12 consecutive years of sales increases in the USA. The increase for 2005 is only 1% but this is good considering weak sales in the first half of the year. http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2006/01/04/204795.html
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Perhaps the dumbest car review ever written
Warren Brown wrote about the 2006 Lexus LS in the Washington Post today. The whole review was about how he didn't like the way the rear seat felt to sit on (he loves the rear seat in the Lincoln Town Car), and how the LS wasn't worth the money since it didn't have a DVD screen in the back and a Honda Odyssey, which costs much less, does. The funny thing ... Read More
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Re: French Jaguar [brightness04]
The 1998-2005 GS was an experimental entry to a new segment for Lexus. The car certainly did better than R-class upon introduction. Heavy discounting started only 3-4 model years after introduction unlike the R-class. Frankly, GS sales did/does not matter to Lexus, unlike the E class to MB. Now this is desperate brightness. The 1998 GS was an expirement, but the 2006 R-Class isn't? What bs, not to mention a big-fat-excuse ... Read More
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Re: French Jaguar [brightness04]
$52k in the 1980's was 4-5 times the average new car cost, and it was not barely discounted at all. Today, few even know exactly how much the true market price for an S-class is, what with $7000 discount, subsidized money-factor and inflated residual. I have been seeing S-350 advertized on lease deals below $450/mo! That's barely 1.5x the average new car cost. I can't help but ask so what? A ... Read More
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Re: ALG [bdr127]
Thought I'd add more ALG residual values detail: ALG's 2006 Vehicle 36mo Residuals Luxury Brands: 1) BMW - 53.6 2) Lexus - 52.5 3) Land Rover - 51.2 4) Mercedes - 50.8 5) Acura - 50.4 6) Infiniti - 50.0 7) Audi - 48.7 8) Cadillac - 47.8 9) Volvo - 44.9 10) Saab - 43.8 11) Lincoln - 40.2 12) Jaguar - 38.1 Industry Average - 49.4 Non-Luxury Brands: 1) ... Read More
Mercedes-Benz S-Class Lease Questions
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Re: Re: Re: Mercedes-Benz S-Class: Lease Questions [ferrast]
Hello ferrast. I have seen the lease program for the car that you are interested in. Its specific money factor and residual value depend upon how long you lease it for and how many miles per year you need to be able to drive it. For now I will assume that you are interested in a 39 month lease with 15,000 miles per year. Let me know if you want something ... Read More
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Re: Mercedes-Benz S-Class: Lease Questions [ferrast]
Hi ferrast. Regardless of how expensive a car is, I would never personally lease it if it had a terrible lease program. Mercedes-Benz is not currently providing any lease money factor support on the 2006 S-Class. As a result, if you were to lease one through Mercedes-Benz Credit, you would have to use its standard lease money factors. Its current buy rate lease money factor for a 36 month lease by ... Read More
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Re: True Luxury Cars. READ THIS!! by TagMan [tagman]
From a distance, the Lexus could be a regular Toyota. Basically that's what they are anyway . . . well-trimmed, well-equipped, and nicely-appointed Toyota's This is what they WERE ! But is the new GS and IS Toyotas ? Of course not ! These are built from the ground up on a new chassis. Would the new LS be a regular Toyota as you alluded to ? This IS the history ... Read More
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Re: Good topic! [blckislandguy]
I'd say you're right, very few if any S-Class/7-Series/A8 buyers are going to buy a Quattroporte as a direct replacement IMO. The car's ride and tranny are nothing like those cars according to everyone who has driven it. The Quattroporte is more of a 4-door Ferrari. Now reportedly they're working on a regular automatic version and a V12 version also with a regular 6-speed automatic. Adding a regular automatic should open ... Read More
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Re: Buying advice on Jaguar XJ [tagman]
Tagman, I think you should purchase the Portfolio because it's a rare opportunity and it's the most beautiful automobile on the road today. I especially like the car because it is 'eye candy' and it stands out more than anything from Lexus, Mercedes, Audi, and BMW. New XJ's have great reliability ratings (higher than European luxury sudans). Jaguar will rule the luxury automobile industry in 2006 and beyond.
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Re: Just a Thought.. [merc1]
When is all this hype going to catch up with reality? If the Germans aren't putting a 6-disc CD changer in the dash at this point it is because they aren't trying to. To suggest that the simply can't is beyond ridiculous. FYI, certain Mercedes models have in-dash 6-disc CD changers and have had them for years! As usual, you castigate every dissenting viewpoint to yours... Hype, wannabe, envy, etc.. Here ... Read More
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Re: Just a Thought.. [oac]
Stay on the topic you know most about - BMW - and not about electronics. The Corolla is more reliable than the LS ? You gotta be kidding, right ? Like Len said, the LS is an electronic marvel... it's got it all, yet ranks as one of (if not the) most reliable sedan, bar none... That the Germans can't seem to put a CD changer in-dash (instead of the trunk), ... Read More
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special lease deals already?
got this email, announcing a launch party and special lease rates at the same time: Subject: For a limited time, special lease rates on the R350 Special Advertisement from Mercedes-Benz The R-Class is turning heads with its first-class comfort and style. Now through November 30th, special lease rates are taking center stage for the R350 with Premium Package. The 2006 Mercedes-Benz R350 with Premium Package includes: Entertainment Package with 6-disc CD ... Read More
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Re: Monday....... [oac]
And how many S8 or S63 sales would be made again ???? I guess you don't understand that everything isn't about sales. We were talking about a sporty sedan that is what the 750i Sport, S8 and upcoming S63 will be, sporty sedans in the full-size luxury car class. They aren't made just for sales, they're made for people who want some with a little more bite, something I guess isn't ... Read More
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Monday.......
Lots of familar (old) themes being tossed around I see. How many Lexus fans here have even driven a 745/750i Sport to even know if the car is tuned for sport? I wonder why most magazines that like softer riding cars like the S-Class, LS, and XJ almost always complain about the 7-Series Sport's ride? The car is set up as a sporty sedan in its segment, more so than any ... Read More
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Re: 2007 Lexus LS [lexusguy]
We'll people always bashed Lexus for not having any kind of styling "direction" and that each car just kind of did its own thing. Now they are starting to build some cars with a "family" resemblance, and you're bashing them for that. What should they do? No I'm not bashing them for having a family resemblance, I'm just wondering if all the MB/Audi detractors that bashed Audi and especially Mercedes for ... Read More
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Re: Land Rover [ljflx]
First of all I don't understand why Lexus even enters the discussion. It's a simple POV re this S-class design and has nothing to do with Lexus in any way. So trying to create a new series of flame posts re the two brands accomplishes nothing and is downright silly so I won't even go there. My point is not to start another debate about Lexus and Mercedes, its just that ... Read More
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Re: Reputation...... [blckislandguy]
A few things: 1. In my circles, MB is still tops. I worked at a fast growing company, where the execs were getting BIG increases in comp each year. My boss was a perfect example; he started with a Honda Civic. When he started making good money, he bought a Lexus. Once he struck it rich, he moved to a Mercedes. The CEO of the company bought a Mercedes. So did ... Read More
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Re: Mercedes-Benz S-Class: Lease Questions [Car_man]
The MBUSA site has the following lease info for the 2006 S350 with cd changer: $64900 MSRP $61627.05 cap cost (incl. destination charge) $39663 Residual value 39 months due at signing: $699 first month $3999 Cap Cost Reduction $795 acq fee $699 monthly This is intriguing to me and as I am not too familiar with the money factors (etc) involved with leasing, I was wondering if it a good deal? ... Read More
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MB Once Again..
Hi All, I'd say that MB is still the top "marque" in this field. I think Rolls is far beyond most Lexus and MB buyers means. Perhaps the Rolls should be considered an Ultra High End Lux marque. Merc1 and some of the other posters are correct when they say people still aspire to owning an MB...I'm one of those people. Despite all of the bad press, I'd still be willing ... Read More
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Re: Lexux? [merc1] Wrong Framing [greenbelt]
But you are mistaken to say that Mercedes sales haven't grown as fast as Lexus because of price. Mercedes sales haven't grown as fast a Lexus, because Lexus outsold Mercedes in market segments where, in general, they are considered competitors. Well Lexus outselling Mercedes is twofold. First MB, to their own detriment misjudged the SUV market with the body-on-frame M-Class, which also was cost-cut to death to get it down to ... Read More
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Ok I am official disappointed
I've been talking to my dealer about going from my current E500 to the new S class and putting in a deposit for a purchase. I now know that I am very secure in my decision today to go with the 2006 Audi A8L....Perhaps not the most sporty design but nothing beats the interior and now with a bad 7series rip off interior the Audi looks incredible. It is even better ... Read More
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