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Jaguar XJ-Series: Sudden Acceleration
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Re: Jaguar acceleration [maggie2011]
I had a similiar incident with my 2004 Jaguar XJ8. As I was accelerating onto the on ramp, my car decided to continue to accelerate. For about 3 miles the car continued to accelerate. After giving up on the brakes doing anything, I down shifted, put the car in neutral, shutoff and turned on the car, everything to try and control the car. Then I was stomping on and manipulating the ... Read More
Jaguar XJ Transmission Questions
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Re: jag gearbox fault [adobian1]
I had a 2004 XJ8 with 32,000 miles on it (I only put 10K miles on myself) when it needed a rebuild. I've read and heard from local people that parts have been so hard to come by (Jaguar or Jaguar-approved) that the parts actually used for the rebuild may not be all that reliable. In any event, I unloaded the car, as much as I loved it.
Jaguar XJ-Series: Sudden Acceleration
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Re: Jaguar XJ Series: Problems and Solutions [jaguar09]
I must join the club. I have a 2004 Jaguar S type and with under 5,000 miles I encountered the unexpected acceleration. I remember sitting at a traffic light on a very cold day and the car lurched forward and hit the bumper of the car in front of me. I took the car to the dealer and they ran diagnostic tests and told me there was nothing wrong. They also ... Read More
Jaguar XJ Transmission Questions
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XJ8 with rebuilt transmission
My 2004 XJ8 with 30,000 miles on it has been in the dealer's service bay for nearly 6 weeks; I couldn't find an independent transmission specialist who would take it. I've been informed that the dealer installed a rebuilt non-Jaguar transmission (I think the delay was with their not being able to get the Jaguar transmission). How much should I expect to have to pay for this? And why do they ... Read More
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Re: gregg [marsha7]
I don't think Ford dealers ever serviced Jaguars, except for the odd used one bought at a Ford dealer. Lots of service centers can service Jaguars...it doesn't necessarily have to be a dealer. The 2004 and up XJ is classified as a large car. The 2003 and before was considered mid-size by the EPA. The legroom in a regular wheelbase XJ now is within half an inch of the amount offered ... Read More
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Re: While comparing reviews of [marsha7]
Have you looked at a 2004 and up? They lengthened the wheelbase and raised the ceiling a bit, so you have more rear seat room. The L version has reclining rear seats, so you don't actually get the full wheelbase stretch for that model in additional leg room. The 2005 Jag has one of the best reliability/build quality ratings in its class. Jaguar, not Ford, provides the warranties. If you buy ... Read More
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Re: Looking to Buy in the next Few Months [houdini1]
Sometime in the next few months I will be buying a new car. Right now my candidates are: 1 or 2 year old LS 430 or 460, Acura RL, and though I know little about it there is something about the Hyundai Genesis that fascinates me. The best year to get for an LS430 is a 2004. If you're looking in the full size lux class, I think the Acura RL ... Read More
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Re: Advice on 2004 Jaguar XJ8 [kothi77]
You can do better on the price, unless this is a certified car through a Jag dealer. If it is another extended warranty you are looking at, be careful and research it. Go to autotrader.com. I think they allow you to put in three models in one search. Do years 2004 to 2006, models XJ, Van den Plas, and XJR, and up to 100 miles from your home. You will see ... Read More
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Advice on 2004 Jaguar XJ8
I am currently looking to buy a 2004 Jaguar XJ8 with ~38k miles for around $23K. This vehicle was leased. I wanted to know if there are any maintenance that needs to be done at 40k or 50k miles (i.e. flushing the radiator, etc.) Also is this a good price for the vehicle. In addition, should I get the extended warranty and what is cover by the extended warranty. I am ... Read More
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Re: throttle body problem [nomasjag]
When I purchased my '01 XJ8 in July 2004 the car died with my wife while I was on a business trip. With the "Limp Home" feature she was able to drive it home. Being that it was a certified pre-owned, we called the dealer and they sent a tow truck to pick it up and also drop off a loaner. The diagnosis was a bad throttle body. Since the car ... Read More
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Re: Why not buy? [foster1]
The 1990 xj and others of its model were fraught with self-inflicted problems. (Jaguar engineers/designers, either didn't know or didn't care about what they were doing); so, the results are well known but the overall style of the car still had its litheness of line that has always attracted so many admirers. The last year for this feline look was 2004. Since then, the xj has developed a portly look to ... Read More
Jaguar XJ-Series: Sudden Acceleration
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Re: Jaguar acceleration [larry67]
Same happened to me today in slow traffic. My 2004 xj8 accelerated towards the car in front of me after I had stopped about two yards behind the car. The breaks were pretty much useless. I was stopped by the bumper of the car in front of me. I had experienced that before stopping at a main intersection and the car tried to pull me into the crossing lane. I thought ... Read More
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Jaguar acceleration
Add another name to the list. Last week my wife's 2004 Jag accelerated as she was parking the car in a mall parking lot. Luckily, she was stopped by a shrub and not a car on either side. She has the all wheel drive x-type.
Jaguar XJ8 Lease Questions
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Re: Jaguar XJ8: Lease Questions [oahz]
Hello: I just purchased a 2004 X-Type (used, of course) with 23,000 miles, automatic. I've been reading this forum and am extremely concerned that I bought a car with a history of mechanical and reliability problems (of course, I did not do this research until AFTER I bought the car). Given what I am reading about jags, I am looking to get an extended warranty, just to help me sleep at ... Read More
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Re: Shift Lever Sticking in MSG# 1896 [tibimakai]
I have an 95' XJ6 VDP and today I drove an 2004 XJ8. Thinking to replace the XJ6 with the new XJ, but after driving it today I'm not sure about it any more. From outside it looks bigger but from inside, I can swear that is no different(in size) that my old XJ6. It fills that I sit taller. The trunk is definitely bigger(deeper) since they relocated the gas tank. ... Read More
High End Luxury Cars
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BBC Top Gear Survey 2005
76,050 people, 159 car models from 36 manufacturers-It's the U.K.'s biggest independent car satisfaction survey. Top Gear Survey 2005- Each of the 76,050 viewers and readers who took part in our survey this year were asked to reveal how every aspect of the car ownership experience matched up to the expectations they had when they first took delivery of their vehicle. Each car is given an overall satisfaction score out of ... Read More
Jaguar XJ-Series Fuel System Questions
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Re: 2006 jaguar, xj8 [quemfala]
Just an update to your posting. I bought a New 2006 XJ8L over two weeks ago !! and still have no idea when it will be delivered to me. Although the dealer gave me a 2004 XK8 to drive I would really like the car I purchased. Any clue on how long the gas tank issue is going to take? :(
Jaguar XJ-Series
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XJ8 recall on remote controls
Hello all, I just received a letter from Jaguar in New Jersey informing me that there is a potential problem with the key fob remote transmitters that came with my 2004 XJ8. The letter further instructs me to make an appointment with an authorized dealer so that they can "upgrade" the key fob remotes. Has anyone heard about this "recall?" I am curious as to whether these new remotes look different. ... Read More
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Re: Ford to sell off Aston, possibly Jag? [nvbanker]
but it's the best platform that was built in the day. The poor S-type gets denigrated because it lent its platform to a Lincoln and a Thunderbird coupe. When it was new DEW98 was average at best. If you are implying that it was a better platform than the '97 5 series, you're definitely mistaken. Perhaps sharing the AJ-V8 and platform with Lincoln was a mistake. The fact that its now ... Read More
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Re: Actually, [syswei]
I haven't really been reading what all the fuss is about with the surveys this time around, but I do think JDP should have broken the IQS into two surveys because certain brands (like BMW) rank differently when you break down the two categories they used this year: A little something I saw on MBWorld.org, someone posted the breakout for the study: Auto news More rankings June 8, 2006 Email this ... Read More
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Re: Follow Up: 2004 XJR horror story [fenn]
Nah, fenn - your car won't be a Select Edition Certified Jaguar on anybody's lot - it's likely destined for the factory in Liverpool, or Coventry, whatever is still open, for an autopsy..... After that, it'll be used as a crash dummy. When Ford buys back a vehicle as a lemon, they use it for research. At worst case, it'll go, if it hasn't already, to the nearest Highline Auction and ... Read More
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Re: hybrid drivetrain complexity [dhanley]
Have any of you guys driven a 2004+ xj8? I have. A lot more space and much less clumsy in the twisties than the old car, but its no 750 or Quattroporte. There's still plenty of body roll if you push it hard, and the steering is fairly light, which takes away some of the fun. Thanks to the aluminum diet, the six-speed auto is able to make the most of ... Read More
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Re: Performance vs. Luxury [designman]
Aren't many new cars already designed in accordance with the regs? Not yet, only those that went on sale in 2005 onwards that are totally new vehicles like the S-Class, LS460, S80 etc. etc. It was said that Mercedes rushed the CLS to production in 2004 so it wouldn't have to comply with the new regs. Just watch, from now on every new car that will be sold in Europe will ... Read More
Jaguar XJ-Series: Sudden Acceleration
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Re: Jaguar XJ Series: Problems and Solutions [grosvenors]
Let me know if you have an attorney because I have the same problem with my 2004 S type and I have filed a law suit against Jaguar Corporation.
High End Luxury Cars
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Just a note
;) Top 10 Lists See all Top 10 Lists Top 10 Cars With the Best Residual Value for 2004 By Erin Riches Email | Blog Want to buy a car that really holds its value? If resale value is important to you, these are the cars likely to depreciate the least during the ownership period. Below we show the percentage of its original value that each vehicle is likely to retain ... Read More
Jaguar XJ-Series: Sudden Acceleration
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Re: Jaguar XJ Series: Problems and Solutions [2004xjrowner]
I hope you are still looking at this because my 2004 Jag is doing the exact same thing. My mother is driving it and three times now it has accelerated exactly as you describe. Please contact me at 602 206 8579 to discuss. Scottdale dealership is claiming the exact same thing also. Steve
High End Luxury Cars
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Re: MB, BMW?? what else you have? [dewey]
The Lexus LS beat the MB S in head to head competition. Please englighten me with the facts? It appears the world and myself are quite ignorant. You asked, and I am pleased to inform: Better be ready with excuses.... 1) 2004 Motor Trend Comparo (1st = A8L, 2nd = LS430) http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/luxury/112_0409_class/index14.html 2) 2004 Car and Driver $70K sedan comparo (1st = LS430) Ranking (last place = S430) 6. Mercedes-Benz S430, ... Read More
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Re: Guaranteed? [tagman]
Tagman - just looking at Jaguar from a business perspective. Toyota needs a gateway to Europe - Jaguar could be it. The GX is a great ride and real quiet and luxurious, and it's a beauty in white with ash interior - but I can see areas for improvement. A tad longer and wider would solve its main problems. The new 2006 feels a lot tighter than the 2004 to me ... Read More
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Re: French Jaguar [brightness04]
E on the other hand is bread and butter of MB (well, in the prestigeous past anyway, before C took over the bulk of sales). Both E and C are being heavily discounted, and both are actually newer than LS320 and ES330; the Lexi have not even bothered with engine/badge updates like MB has since their model introduction years ago. The LS and C-Class both came out for 2001 so they're ... Read More
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Re: Follow Up: 2004 XJR horror story [blckislandguy]
I do not mean to say that they will just sell the warranty without going through the vehicle. Any Select Edition car needs to be inspected. However, if I do this while the car is under original warranty, the costs of any needed, or suggested repairs etc will likely be done as a warranty item, and/or the cost will be a part of the fee charged. I also did not mean ... Read More
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Re: Follow Up: 2004 XJR horror story [blckislandguy]
I will respond to the questions raised by blckislandguy. It seems that there may have been some confusion about my situation. I described my problems in earlier posts. Let if suffice to say that I am trying to get out of an XJR lemon, with 91 days of shop time and 34 total service visits. I have been fighting with them and negotiating for some relief. Jaguar offered me a rebate ... Read More
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Re: Follow Up: 2004 XJR horror story [fenn]
The dealer is on your side and has gone to bat for you. Perhaps Jaguar and the dealer are giving up profit so as to happyize you, all 91 days considered. 11k off window is a pretty good deal on a new 05. Let's hope this replacement unit gives you much better ownership history. :)
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Re: Follow Up: 2004 XJR horror story [tagman]
Here is the follow up... The car ends up with 91 days of shop time in 27 months...Yikes. I had an attorney ready to fire on Jaguar, but was advised that this could take 45 days.....meanwhile I need tires and I am out of warranty. But, after much conversation. and the help of the dealership, Jaguar has tried to offer a concession. They are willing to give me a credit of ... Read More
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Re: Follow Up: 2004 XJR horror story [fenn]
The "purchase experience" survey is one that addresses the transaction Thank you for pointing that out. IMO this survey is clever or deceptive or both. Now that you've explained it, I guess Jaguar dealers serve a better brand of Scotch at the time of closing. F & I used to mean Finance and Insurance, however, at the Jag dealership is stands for Familiarity and Intoxication. :D
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Re: Follow Up: 2004 XJR horror story [euphonium]
JD Power has numerous automotive surveys in various areas.."Purchase Experience" covers just the purchase experience. BTW, I am a JD Power Panel member. The "purchase experience" survey is one that addresses the transaction, and the buyer's satisfaction with the actual deal, and interface with the dealer. By the way, I had a pleasant enough "purchase experience" with my XJR, but the long term reliability is a different story. They have other ... Read More
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Re: Follow Up: 2004 XJR horror story [fenn]
Sorry about your personal experience Fenn, but it appears your situation is not the typical norm for this motorcar. The article below appeared in last Friday's Seattle Times. Jaguar owners are happiest :) :) :) By Tom Incantalupo Newsday PREV 1 of 2 NEXT Want to be a happy car buyer? Open your wallet a little further. A new survey says luxury-car buyers tend to have the most pleasant purchase experiences, ... Read More
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Follow Up: 2004 XJR horror story
I posted earlier about the countless problems with my '04 XJR. I understand those that see this as an isolated case, but I am not so sure about that. I just ran into another former owner of an '04 who got his car bought back under the California Lemon law. He complained about electrical problems, suspension issues and brakes... Meanwhile my situation only gets worse. The car has been displaying an ... Read More
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Re: Buying advice on Jaguar XJ [tagman]
Be aware that Jaguars take monsterous depreciation hits in the first 2 years, a left over side effect from their junk days of the late 80s\early 90s. You can buy a low miles 2004 XJR for under $50K. Thats an almost 50% hit in just TWO years. A 2006 XJ VP will probably be worth maybe $45K two years from now. Jaguar dealers have tried to sell me on so called ... Read More
Jaguar XJ-Series: Sudden Acceleration
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Re: Jaguar XJ Series: Problems and Solutions [2004xjrowner]
This past weekend, my 2004 XJ8 also had a "sudden acceleration" issue. While parking at a soccer field loaded with kids, I stepped on the break, started to slow down and then started to accelerate. I went into the back of another car and thank God, nobody was hurt. It could have been really bad! Jaguar called me this morning and told me they went through the car from top to ... Read More
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Re: Reliablity Viral Contagion! [gshocksv]
What I meant was, if it wasn't for these corporate parents and the injection of capital, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bentley, Rolls, would probably be plagued with reliability problems and have already gone bankrupt. Well that is basically what I stated in my previous post, except for that reliability part. I don't see here is how their reliablity has made any difference when they never traded on reliability in the first place. Secondly, ... Read More
Jaguar XJ-Series: Sudden Acceleration
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Re: Jaguar XJ Series: Problems and Solutions [redrockbunny]
I have had the same "sudden acceleration" issue with my 2004 XJR. I had it when it was new and it been in ths shop for anything and everything, after the car accelerated on it's own I decided to give it back, the car is not safe and Jaguar tried to say that I had stepped on the accelerator when I didn't. The wheels spun after I released my foot from ... Read More
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My ''04 XJR is a shoddy unreliable hunk of junk
I have 2004 "new generation" aluminum XJR. Here is my honest impression of this car after driving it about 47,000 miles.... This car is fast, drives wonderfully and gets incredible fuel economy. That is the good news. The bad news is that my 2004 XJR has been a problem from the start. The problems with my car are numerous and recurring. Every system from cruise control, to locks, to power accessories, ... Read More
High-End European Luxury Sedans
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Re: Jaguar [merc1]
Merc1, Appreciate the insights. You've had some good posts throughout - I've dug into some of them. Haven't bought an MB yet - I've been Volvo brand loyal for a while. But... my 2004 S60 may soon get replaced with a 2006 C-series. Motor Werks is probably the 2nd or 3rd closest to me. MB of Arlington Heights is the closest (formerly Mark Motors). I'll follow your suggestion. Regards, dfc3
New Aluminum Jaguars (XKR) - What do you think?
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cars
No, I just really like Jaguars and have researched pictures, videos, and other stuff about them. I've driven a 2004 XJR and thoroughly enjoyed it, but I drive a 1991 BMW 318is. I really appreciate that Jaguar has decided to reduce the weight of their cars (XJ, XK) while making them with more interior and cargo room. Many people complain about cars getting too heavy these days, but I wonder if ... Read More
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New aluminum Jaguar XJR
I have driven a 2004 Jaguar XJR and loved it. It is NOT vulgar. I do find the new BMW 7 series to be vulgar when compared to the 1995-2001 7 series.
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Re: MB in the press [ljflx]
But here's what I've been trying to put across to Merc1. You read a story like that and you still have no hesitation to drop $60-100K on one of their cars? Merc's point is historic MB buyers will not be influenced or may not even know. How? It's everywhere. But let's just say you are one that has been hit by the recalls, the repair bills and the inconveniences of seeing ... Read More
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Re: jaguar XJ8 BODY is VULGAR [wildcat05]
I really hate 2004 and 2005 body style of the jaguar XJ8. The new XJ's wheels are pushed out to the corner's, like the 1968 XJ. The previous XJ had a lot of front and rear overhang. The new XJ's outer headlights are larger than the inner headlights, like the 1968 XJ. The previous XJ's headlights were the same size. The new XJ has a curve in its rear door, like ... Read More
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jaguar XJ8 BODY is VULGAR
I really hate 2004 and 2005 body style of the jaguar XJ8. I would like for Ford to return it to it original european style. Ford are you listening. If anybody shares my view please let me know. :(
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Lets Slice the Data Another Way
Over the weekend I went to Montreal. Nice trip, about 6 hours or so from RI blasting along the Vermont-a-bahn at 85 MPH plus. (If you went any slower Andre in his Peterbilt with Quebec plates would nerf you out of the way. In any case, how many Vermont State Troopers do you think they really have on duty in the whole state at any one time? Four?) On the road ... Read More
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Re: Jag XJ then and now [hammerdown]
I wouldn't touch a 2004 with a 10 foot pole. I cannot believe that Jaguar has the nerve to put a speed governor on the new models that cuts off at 121 mph. The aluminum XJR and Super V8's top speed is limited to 155 mph. There isn't an autobahn in North America.
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Jag XJ then and now
The1995-1997 XJ6 Jags were well engineered models in my opinion. They didn't have the reliability problems of prior models, however, the 1998-2003 XJ8's are the vehicles of choice. I would drive any of them, especially models after 2000. They enhanced the steering response and suspension of the 2000-2003 models that made the car even nicer to drive. I wouldn't touch a 2004 with a 10 foot pole. I cannot believe that ... Read More
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Re: 1999 Jaguar XJ8 or 1997 Jaguar XJ6? [masteryoda2]
Let me "throw in some thoughts". I firmly believe, based on experience, that the late model XJ's >1996-1997- are the very best of the series. They represent the end point in the perfection of the in line 6 which is one of the best, if not the best, engines that Jaguar has built....a true workhorse, long lasting and very reliable. On the other hand, the "first editions (1998-99 maybe 2000)" of ... Read More
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Re: Jaguar [xkss]
Though I did like the XJS way back in the day, I really never really gave Jaguars too much thought until the 1997 XK8 showed up. Then came the 2000 S-Type and now the 2004 XJ. The XK is still as timeless as day one. Remarkable. The 2000-2002 S-Type was not up to the Jaguar name imo. The cheap Ford touches were everywhere. Then for 2003 the car got its first ... Read More
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Car & Driver's long-term XJR
read this article Car & Driver picked up their long-term 2004 XJR in the summer of 2004, which was shorty after production of the new aluminum XJ began. Car & Driver's long-term 2004 Jaguar XJR Also, the 2005 Jaguar Super V8, the flagship XJ, gets better fuel economy than the BMW 760Li.
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Jaguar
is past their glory days, as is just about every other car maker (except for perhaps Aston Martin). The new 1995-1997 Jaguar XJ is a reliable luxury car. The new XJ has also been much more reliable than the previous XJ while having more quality. That article I posted about Jaguar and aluminum pointed out that the HUGE investment for aluminum Jaguars is continuingly being developed. The next XK will use ... Read More
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New Jaguar XJ
The new Jaguar XJ's 4.2 liter V-8 does NOT have the Nikasil coated engines and water pumps problems of the old 4.0 liter V-8. The new XJ has a curve in its rear doors that starts at the end, like old Jaguars. The previous XJ didn't have that curve. The new XJ's outer headlights are bigger than the inner headlights, like the original XJ. The new XJ's wheels are pushed out ... Read More
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figaromd
figaromd, The new XJ has a curve that starts in the rear door, like older Jaguars. The previous XJ did NOT have a curve that started in its rear door. The new aluminum XJ's outer headlights are bigger than the inner headlights, like the original XJ. Both of the previous XJ's headlights were the same size. Have you driven the new aluminum XJ? Which Motor Trend issue says the ride quality ... Read More
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Oac
"And why should production be the concept ? I work in a firm that puts out prototypes. Trust me, the final product is often much different from the prototype. That is what marketing input and meeting market demand is all about.... Here is the problem. It seems that all Lexus types like to equate the car business with other type of business and they aren't always the same. Carmakers use concept ... Read More
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2005 CR Reliability Rankings are out
Consumer Reports had the largest response to its latest annual auto reliability survey ever, allowing the nonprofit organization to compile reliability portraits on more than 810,000 vehicles, up from 675,000 vehicles in 2003 and 480,000 in 2002. This is the second year in a row that Consumer Reports surveyed subscribers to both its magazine and its web site, www.ConsumerReports.org, a total of more than 5 million consumers throughout the U.S. The ... Read More
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Re: [denaliinpa]
First of all anyone who is says Audi is not luxury automobile company doesn't know squat about automobiles. That is the most ignorant comment I have ever heard. Aside from many opinions posted here by Lexus fans thinking they actually know anything about other brands...like the guy asking whether Audi had heated seats. Not only do you get heated seats in an Audi, but you get a dual DVD rear entertainment ... Read More
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Car & Driver's long-term 2004 XJR
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=17&article- _id=9014 At 40,000 miles it did 0 to 60 in 4.7 seconds and the 1/4 mile in 13.2 seconds at 107 mph. The new aluminum Jaguar XJ has a 6 speed ZF automatic transmission in case you were wondering. The new XJR and Super V8 both come standard with Brembo brakes.
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Best forum for the 2004 Jaguar XJ8?
This is the best forum for the new aluminum Jaguar XJ. It has a lot of information: http://www.dandmbr.co.uk/jaguar/
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Hi All, Toyota prices the LS for less because it's more efficient to begin with. The TPS mantra they follow is the best in the industry. They fully utilize the benefits of platform sharing and not offering numerous engine types..Hence their strong financials. Their cars are built primarly by robots, hence avoiding the union worker mess the Germans have to deal with..Basic economics will tell you the most efficient producer is ... Read More
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Oac
"Can you provide your views of the Chicago auto show ? I am sure you'll have a lot of interesting viewpoints at what's going on in the auto world. Looking forward to reading your report. In the middle of all of this I've almost forgotten what I saw there!!!! Well I must preface this with the fact that Chicago isn't what Detroit is in presentation or brands represented. Chicago ... Read More
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Mercedes is more history than future
MB has had a great run in the automobile business. They have many patents because they were there when the technology was originally being developed. They are no longer the leader, either in total number nor new issues. Toyota has been for some time. Unfortunately the company evolved, as do many early leaders into complacency, arrogance, and wrong-headed customer attitudes. "Vee know vat the customer vants and neets". Failing ... Read More
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Jaguar will not build 2005 XJ8
I've been shopping for a new Jaguar XJ8 (short wheelbase, non-supercharged). Couldn't find the color and options I want on a "leftover" 2004 model, so I decided to order a new 2005 XJ8. Guess what? My dealer told me that Jag will not be building any 2005 XJ8 short-wheelbase cars. Yes, the supercharged "R" version of the short-wheelbase XJ8 will be available, but that's not what I want. Can ... Read More
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Segment Sales...2004
Lexus LS430 - 32,272 Mercedes S-Class - 20,460 BMW 7-Series - 16,155 Jaguar XJ - 10,552 Audi A8 - 5,942 VW Phaeton - 1,939 Maserati Quattroporte - 425 [Sources: Germancarfans.com, autosite.com, Autoweek.com] Very intesting. The LS ran away with the segment, yet the oldest car is still in 2nd place. Big improvement for the A8, but Phaeton is just not considered. The Maserati is too exotic to ever be ... Read More
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Re: [pablo_l]
You make an excellent point; reliability is not the only factor that makes a car great. Otherwise, Jaguar would have never sold one car. But you lost me on your factual observations re: reliability ("all these brands are within 10% of each other"). According to the 2004 JD Power Vehicle Dependability Study, MB had 327 problems reported per 100 cars, BMW had 264, and Lexus had 162. That doesn't look like ... Read More
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Even the financial press notes reliability issues
Question: what is this list? A. Most admired cars B. Motor Trend's Cars of the Year C. Cars most preferred by driving enthusiasts D. Most unreliable sedans made MAKE MODEL Average Price 1 Mercedes-Benz S-Class $100,000 2 Jaguar S-Type 51,000 3 BMW 7 Series 94,000 4 Jaguar X-Type 33,000 5 Mercedes-Benz E-Class 64,000 6 Mercedes-Benz C-Class(V6) 40,000 7 Volvo S60 (AWD) 32,000 8 Saab 9-3 35,000 9 Pontiac Grand ... Read More
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2004 VDP
Having leased the 2004 VDP last week(Slate-Ivory),(my fourth Jaguar), I wanted to pass along some info. I had the 1993 XJ-6 but only for a year. Have (still) the 1995 VDP with many, many repairs. Never got stranded ,but did I pay the dealer serious cash over the years.(The price of luxury! I guess!). Last year we got the S-type(2003) which has great ride manners and refinement in the Jaguar tradition. ... Read More
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Dieselbreath, Good post. I have a neighbor who swears by Diesel VW's. he's been driving one since the late 70's. I must say I'm impressed by his mid 90's Passat wagon. It's a nicely built machine. I only brought up the Toyota diesel to illustrate your point on how far along diesels have come. Diesel just never caught on here, but are widespread in Europe. I guess relatively cheap gasoline doesn't ... Read More
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Re: [sv7887] [michael_mattox #5748]
"The Japanese on the other hand are great at taking an innovation and working with it and making it better..Keyless entry, Radar cruise etc. all apeared in Mercedes years ago....BUT..When they do show up in a Lexus you know they will work almost without fail." Really? If this was entirely true Lexus would be using a radar-based cruise control system like Mercedes, BMW and Jaguar. A laser based system has been ... Read More
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lexusguy
I had been meaning to ask you what you thought of the facelifted 2005 XK cars? I really like what they've done to the lower body. I've seen a coupe in White and a convertible XKR this very rick looking Blue, absolutely stunning. No arguement about the interior, asthetically it was all Jaguar. The Germans then were just leather appointed board rooms in which to conduct the "business" of driving. I ... Read More
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pablo
Your giving Jaguar WAY too much credit. Those mid 90s jags had LOTS of problems, including my 94 XJ, and my 98 XK8. Jaguar quality in 2004 is still rated at just mediocre. Same for saab. Just because you happened to get lucky with an XJS that wasnt in the shop all the time, it doesnt mean they are the most reliable cars ever. Lexus has that title. Ive been buying ... Read More
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Mercedes-Benz and Infiniti tied for 1st Place
Here is a link for an interesting article on the recently released automotive owner survey titled "Total Quality Index" by the research firm Strategic Vision where Mercedes-Benz and Infiniti tied for first place - http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2004-05-24-carquality_x.htm Unlike the more widely published survey by J.D. Powers their methodology differs significantly from the Powers survey that primarily focuses on "only the things gone wrong in the first 90 days (of ownership)". BMW, Lexus and ... Read More
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Price Breakout
For all those who think price has no effect on sales. Here is just a quick look at MB and Lexus model pricing. Mercedes-Benz: There are 37 Mercedes-Benz models on their site right now..the avg price = $67,646. Or by each class: C-Class - $26,570 to 52,170 with 8 models. Avg C-Class price = $35,076. E-Class - 48,795 to 79,270 with 6 models. Avg E-Class price = $57,807. S-Class - 74,970 ... Read More
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michael_mattox
"Do you think that if Mercedes went back to their former style that Lexus "copied" they would sell a lot more cars." I'm not sure actually. I think design wise they've never been better with the exception of the CLK and Maybach. Neither of those cars "look" like they should imo. I also think the SL could stand a few less frivolous details like on the sides and hood, but overall ... Read More
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The High-End Luxury Marques
The Players are: Mercedes-Benz: BMW: Audi (as of 2004 my pic for best styling by a mere hood ornament over the S-Class) Lexus: (not so bad here I guess) Jaguar: Volkswagen(gulp!), the people's luxury car: Quite handsome to me. There you have it, the high-end luxury class of 2004. Maserati Quattroporte to join in Sept. M
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footie
"MB prices are higher than Lexus (and Infiniti and others) because their cars cost more to produce, sell and service. Their production processes aren't as efficient as Toyota's nor their ability to manage their supply chain as good. " I agree with all of this, but that wasn't what we were talking about here. My point for the last couple of days has been that a few on this board are ... Read More
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michael_mattox
See how maxhonda99 and sv7887 got the point about models and sales trends, but no.... You and oac keep harping about sales of MB and BMW declining yet when I dare point out that Lexus has the same problem with one of their duds you all post the same thing over and over like in post #4752 because that's all you know, even though it doesn't pertain to the conversation. Sales ... Read More
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oac
Why have a CLK and CL? Have you taken the time to look at the two cars? As good as the CLK is the CL is in another league. Styling, features, engines and technology seperate the two cars mainly. The CLK, unlike the CL is also available in a convertible. The SLK and SL. Come on now, you don't see the reason or difference here? The SL is the luxury roadster ... Read More
Jaguar XJ-Series
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Comments on buying an X308 vs. X350, privately vs. dealer
Please allow me to introduce myself. I'm a man of not much wealth but exquisite taste. ; ) In large part due to this board, I've chosen to purchase a '98 XJ8 over the similarly priced same-year BMW 740i and Audi A8. Both are fantastic cars but lack the sex appeal of the Jag. And I'm now assured the Jag will be as reliable. (The last-generation 740 and A8 are both ... Read More
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Re: #1850 and Ford A-Plan purchase
I know it's been several weeks, but just caught this post. Must take exception with knock on Lincoln Navigator, as I just ordered my 3rd Lincoln since 2000, trading my 2002 Navigator for a 2004. My current 02 has 30K on the clock and has needed NOTHING but gas. All service is included, to include tire rotations. Even with the full-time all wheel drive, a family of 5 plus dog and ... Read More
High End Luxury Cars
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Ford and the X-Type
About the X-Type, Warren Brown of the Washington Post says something similar to what you've said in this review of the 2004 Jaguar X-Type 3.0 Sport: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12950-2004Feb27.ht- ml (free registration required)
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Armanti
Agree it does not belong on this board, but it is a blatant copy of the MB E-class. Oopsssey.... There goes the *copy* word again. But who cares ? If it works for Kia, more power to them. A 2004 Kia Armanti retails for $23,5K in our local paper. That's an insane price for a supposedly lux car. Even a bland Accord EX V6 sells north of that price. I'd rather ... Read More
Jaguar XJ-Series
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no title
For some reason, I am not too thrilled with this Jaguar. I have to say, I was impressed with the X Type, the S Type and am in love with the XK. I also loved the 2003 XJ--a real classy vehicle. But the 2004 XJ just doesn't give me the "classy Jaguar" feel. There is something about it that makes this car unappealing to me. I haven't figured out what it ... Read More
High End Luxury Cars
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The 2004 NAIAS Report (the luxury version)
I'll shorten this from the News and View version which covers "everything". I spent two days total at the show, it's so much more than Chicago's autoshow. Acura has proven to me that they don't hold water to the Euro luxury brands past the TL class. The RL and NSX sat unloved with all the attention at the Acura display going to the TL and TSX. I heard one person say, ... Read More
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ljflx
How can they test reliability when they only have the car for a week or so? They can't be the judge on that so why even try to rate that quality? Would you rather they guess about it? I haven't ever seen where they "dismiss" reliability, they simply don't cover it. Despite what the most loyal survey clutchers will say, Mercedes, Audis and other "unreliables" are able to keep it together ... Read More
Jaguar XJ-Series
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no title
I wanted to offer a few observations on the 2004 XJR. I love mine. With exception of a few tweaks of the adaptive cruise module, it is a lovely solid automobile with no defects . The '04 XJR is fast, but not scary, unless you take off the traction control and try to push it in wet or slippery conditions. I find the car very tame and lovely at normal city ... Read More
High End Luxury Cars
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ljflx
"Those Toyota interiors are all about ease of functionality. No reason to stray from that standard in a Lexus." I agree, it just doesn't make for anything special in a 60K+ car. While some are already calling the Lexus concept a derivative design (Automobile Mag) I'll wait to see the actual car when it's shown sometime during 2004. The car being shown now is just a concept and a hint (usually ... Read More
Jaguar XJ-Series: Sudden Acceleration
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Jaguar XJ Series: Problems and Solutions
Help a Lemon Jaguar!!!!!!!! A friend of mine has a new 2004 Jaguar XJ Vanden Plas. The car was delivered to him brand new and is leased. He has had the car for about 4 months. He is about 70. He asked me to post this, as he doesn't have the time or know-how to get on this board. The car is loaded, even has the navigation system. But it appears ... Read More
High End Luxury Cars
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2004 Jaguar XJ & LS430 Review
Here is the link: http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/rp/04xj.htm This web site has good reviews and great photography. I am really tempted to get a Jaguar. I wonder if the resale has improved? Here is a link to an amusing Lexus LS review in the Detroit News: http://info.detnews.com/autosconsumer/autoreviews/index.cfm?id=12- 235 Scott
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Residual Value
Continuing what mariner7 posted above, Automotive Lease Guide (ALG) honored 2004 vehicles predicted to retain the highest percentage of their original price. The luxury brands ranked as follows: 1. BMW 2. Lexus 3. Acura 4. Mercedes 5. Audi 6. Infiniti 7. Volvo Not listed, because they finished below average, are Cadillac, Jaguar, Land Rover, Lincoln and Saab. Segment awards were as follows: Compact car - MINI Cooper Midsize car - Honda ... Read More
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airmatic
i know what it feels like to be a fire victim (my wife and i were affected by a fire many many years ago). my heart goes out to all thoses who were affected. i am certainly glad to hear that your parents/friend's family are not harmed. airmatic-- i never knew that you owned an SL55? did you mean SL500? 2003-model year? what a coincidence: we both drive the same cars! ... Read More
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Fire in San Diego County
excuse me for my absence- i haven't been in such a good mood lately-- my parents, and my best friend's house (known him since we were less than 1 year old)caught on fire during the fire-storm we had here in San Diego about 2 weeks ago. burn't to the ground. my parents forunately, recovered some valuable and personal belongings (including their wedding ring and pictures of their children (and me) when ... Read More
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DonFenn _Jaguar Update?
I saw a 2004 XJ8 today, and thought of you. How is your car doing? What's your mileage now? Do you have the 20" Sepang wheels? The Jaguar I saw was black, and looked great! I just wish that my town had a dealership.
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i_drive
Just a little ahead there....there won't be a new S-Class for the 05' model year. It's not scheduled to be shown until the Frankfurt autoshow of 2005, which means a spring 2006 debut here. It could debute at the Geneva show next spring, but I seriously doubt that. There won't be a "S430" or "S500" either, there will be all new direct-injection engines of different displacements. Now Mercedes might ignore the ... Read More
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2004 XJR Review on Edmunds
Here is a link to a new review on this site. http://www.edmunds.com/new/2004/jaguar/xjr/100284195/roadtestarti- cle.html?articleId=100586&tid=edmunds.e.landing.featurereview- s..2.* What do you think DonFenn?
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no title
Re: 2004 A8: I am curious if those who found the new A8's ride to be choppy, were driving cars with the 19 inch wheels..and, what was the adjustable suspension setting on, since the A8 has multiple suspension modes. By contrast, I enjoyed a relatively smooth ride in the A8 that I took out for a long demo ride, but it had the 18 inch wheels. I noted that the test ... Read More
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Shopping Saga
Don, Thanks for keeping us posted on the Jaguar. I am hoping to drive the A8L this weekend. I was looking at the Mercedes message boards here, and was shocked to see all of the owners' complaints. S-class (command system) and E-class electrical bugs. I have had a deposit on an SL for one year, but I think that I am going ask for its return. I am #92 on the ... Read More
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