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At this point each of the manufacturers of the top 4—Toyota, Honda, Nissan, and Ford—have the capacity to make at least 33,000 of their midsize model every month. And Toyota can make up to 40,000 Camrys each month. Bottom line: no one is selling as many as they can make at this point. I thought by now it might be closer to neck and neck, and that the Camry might be ... Read More
Hi, I am looking for the lease rates on the Ford Fusion Energi Titanium for December in Northern California. 10,500 Miles - 24 and 36 months Money Factor and Residual please. Thank you in advance!
2014 Fusion Titanium 36mo, 10.5K/yr lease 0.50% money factor and 59% residual 24 month 0.25% money factor and 68% residual Please note that Ford uses percentages rather than decimals for their money factors regards, kyfdx
The FFH is my first hybrid. I never even considered a hybrid before last year, and I still wouldn’t be caught dead in a Prius. But Ford has made me a convert by producing a hybrid disguised as one of the nicest looking, highest tech vehicles available. And it was within my $34K budget. How many times you may have to take a new vehicle back to the dealer to correct ... Read More
You're right about Mazda being 30. Sorry about that. And it looks like the Optima is 27 this year, which is strange because the engine and transmission are shared with the Sonata. According to Ford's web site, the 2.5 duratec, rated 22/34, or 26 combined, is still the standard engine on the Fusion for 2014. But maybe that's about to change? http://www.ford.com/cars/fusion/specifications/
The Avalon is a handsome car, inside and out; except for the grill. It looks like a fish. Ford got the grill right in the Fusion, but Toyota missed the mark. I wish the giant grill look would go away to be honest. This leads me to my favorite large sedan. The 2014 Impala 3.6. I can't even BELIEVE I like an Impala, not to mention pining for one. https://www.google.com/search?q=2014+Impala+pictures&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS544US544&tb- - ... Read More
2014 Ford Fusion SE Gas 36mo, 10.5K/yr Residual is 58%... Hybrid residual is 59% I don't have the current money factors... In September, the gas model had a rate of 1.0%, but the Hybrid was 6.75%... no idea if those have changed for October.. regards, kyfdx
The Fusion hybrid does have one of the best mpg ratings but it does cost quite a bit more than the 4cyl as does the Camry. Consumer Reports really likes it too. The MKZ hybrid is not as good deal a deal as the Ford. I'm sure Honda will price their hybrid just as high as Toyota whenever it finally arrives. However, Sonata hybrids can be had for about the same ... Read More
Fusion capacity is only about 250K right now due to MKZ production. Ford will not give up profit just to be #1. Fusion transaction prices are about $2500 higher than Camry (give or take). I saw a new Camry prototype in a focus group a couple of weeks ago. The competition has nothing to be worried about.
Even at 450K, Fusion will not be even close to Ford's best selling vehicle.
The Camry seems all but certain to win the midsize sales race for 2013. Here's where things stand for the first seven months of this year: Camry: 242,406 Accord: 218,367 Altima: 197,321 Fusion: 181,668 But Ford is ramping up Fusion production in Flat Rock, and next year will have the capacity to make 100,000 Fusions there to add to the 350,000 already made in Mexico. Nissan also has the capacity to ... Read More
"Furthermore, regardless of what anyone from Planet Ford tries to assure me, I don't believe the average Fusion is going to be as reliable as the average Accord. I could only hope that if I buy a 2014 Ford, it's going to be far more reliable than the piece of garbage 2010 they sold me a few years ago." +1 One thing I came to realize as I faced recall after ... Read More
I like the Fusion (it wouldn't be on my short list if I didn't), but I couldn't disagree with you more on the new Accord. While the Fusion is a better driver's car overall (I've driven several 2013s - even a 1.6L Ecoboost with a manual), the manual equipped Accord is a much faster ride (and in real world driving, I suspect it would also get better mileage than than Fusion ... Read More
I see the build configurator is finally up on Honda's website for the 2014 Accord... and disappointed I am. I was really hoping that Honda would make the manual tranny EX available in something other than 2 shades of gray in 2014 - nope. And you can still forget about getting SiriusXM unless you're willing to surrender driver involvement (read: CVT) and plop down on cow hides. Seriously Honda? Your options ... Read More
I was wondering if you had the residual value/money factor for a ford fusion SE in the Dayton Ohio area (45342): 15K/year for 3 years for the 2013 and 2014 models. Thank you!
What, pray tell, is going on here? 2013 Honda Accord 2014 Mazda6 2013 Ford Fusion 2013 VW Passat 2013 Kia Optima 2013 Nissan Altima 2013 Hyundai Sonata ... all better cars than the Camry, IMO. Heck, maybe even the Malibu is a better car than the Camry!
We own a 2011 Sonata 2.0T and a 2014 Mazda 6. BOTH cars have that same "chopper blade" sound when you only have the rear windows fully (half way) down at Highway speeds. I attribute it to the new, almost flat, sloping rear window style that traps the air above the rear deck. Try experimenting with different levels on the rear windows and opening the fronts too. As for the brakes, ... Read More
There probably was not that much difference between a 2010 Accord and and 2014 Mazda 6 in noise, but a 2010 Accord does not have a well insulated cabin, so that's not saying much. 2013 Accord models are now reasonably quiet for the class (maybe except Sport with 18" wheels).
I have to agree with you. Obviously, road noise is relative, what one may find acceptable another would not. After reading almost every available review of the Mazda6 I, my expectations regarding road noise were not high. I went from a 2010 Camry to a 2010 Accord and the Accord was somewhat louder but I have noticed no difference between the 2010 Accord and my Mazda6.
yeah, all my cars are midsize or larger and I think that makes a difference. When I used to travel all the time for work I would get compact or subcompact rental cars and I really did notice how loud they were. Both engine noise when accelerating and general road noise while cruising. I think newer cars are a little better as you say and I think bigger is better usually ... Read More
Well, some cars are noticeably worse. I have a Pontiac Vibe that sounds like a rocket taking off (not in a good way as power is not its strong point) and I can't talk on a cellphone (as a passenger) because I can't hear the caller. These cars, though, not so much different. Accord and Altima are pretty quiet now, Accord much more than it used to be. Haven't tried the ... Read More
Like I said, low road noise is obviously high on your criteria for a new car. I have three cars, an Acura, a Toyota and and a Mazda. They run from very quiet to some road noise but none of them are bad. I never really thought the old Accord was that bad either for road noise so I guess it doesn't bother me as much as the next person. But ... Read More
Turning up the radio is not a solution for most people who care about noise. Just cover up road noise with loud music? I suppose if you always like to listen to loud music anyway, then it doesn't matter. The Accord was pretty loud in the last generation and that is a major reason I never seriously considered buying one. That plus the styling was bad anyway. The 2013 Accord is ... Read More
I've driven the new Mazda6 and I think you're comments about the road noise is a huge exaggeration. It has been noted in reviews but in real life driving I didn't think it was bad at all. That's what the radio volume knob is for. A couple of clicks and you don't hear the road noise much. I care about road noise but probably not nearly as much as you do. ... Read More
If you care about road noise, the Mazda 6 is not the right car for you. Even if you get 17 inch wheels, it will still be a noisy car. In this case, the 19 inch wheels are not the primary source of the noisiness. If you get a Mazda 6 with 17 vs 19 inch tires, it will only be "less loud," not quiet or even "average" for the class. ... Read More
I think we are all smart enough to understand that suspension parts, quality, tuning, etc all contribute to the ride and drive of a car. We were talking in general terms that larger, thinner sidewall tires ride rougher given equal other parts and are more expensive when same brand and quality tires are concerned. Then you also have the rims. Haven't seen too many rims of the same quality and manufacture ... Read More
Some people will understand my point. I 'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, just to keep an open mind that rim size is only one component in a vehicle's handling/ride.
Yes, I would like to replace my wife's Mazda6 with a new one in about a year. However, to get the bells and whistles you are forced into 19" rims. That is a major downer for me. I would prefer 17", could deal with 18", but 19"s may just be a deal breaker as we keep our cars for at least one tire change, often two. And, living in Chicago area, ... Read More
Not to mention the larger rim sizes have far fewer choices when replacing. I researched 19's and they were $pendy. Test drove the Mazda 6 with both 19's and 17's and did not find a handling advantage till you were skidding through the corners. Even then it was a wash. (bought the Sport with 17's) Also they tend to have wider profiles which makes for worse winter driving capabilty. We have ... Read More
I don't know why you are spending time defending these larger tires. Tire expense per set will probably be less with a smaller tire, but they may be lower quality and not last as long. There is no reason I would be buying low quality 17 inch tires. In general the lower profile tires of comparable quality have much lower tread life. If you look up tread life warranties, you will ... Read More
I bought those Generals over 30k miles ago. They are still very quiet and the best mileage over back to back tanks were on these tires at 120k vehicle miles. Now at 135k. My Fusion is almost 3 months old and has yet to hit 2k. I'm looking forward to our summer/fall driving season.
>They went from $640 to $850 for a set of 4, so I did some homework. There will be another $70 rebate on Michelins in the fall I'm guessing. I still think they are worth the money for the quality of the tire--they stay round and roll round. I'm expecting to buy another set before winter; just bought a set for the Cobalt.
My '02 Explorer, same size as a mid size sedan, is on it's 3rd set of tires. The 2nd set were Michelin's, which I was completely happy with, until it came time to replace them. Sidewalls started cracking after 6 years, but I got my 65k out of them, so they worked as advertised. They went from $640 to $850 for a set of 4, so I did some homework. Ended ... Read More
IN GENERAL, larger tires of the same brand and quality cost more. So do the wheels if they are ever damaged. I think that is the one of the main points. The fact that in a few vehicles it may be hard to notice the ride difference when you have a short sidewall, larger diameter tire is NOT the point. IN GENERAL, the shorter sidewalls of same brand and quality of ... Read More
It's a great example. The Escape had the same bones from 2001 to 2012. Many parts are either the same or interchangeable between years. Tires and wheels can be swapped between any of those years. Tire expense per set will probably be less with a smaller tire, but they may be lower quality and not last as long. On the other hand a smaller high quality tire may cost more the ... Read More
Invalid comparisons since you are comparing different vehicles. Tires will not completely make up for and older car not riding as well as a newer model. One the same vehicle, better riding, less expensive, longer lasting tires will be available in the higher profile, smaller tires. I am not cross-shopping 2004 vs 2009 or 2007 vs 2013 cars.
Tires are kind of like pizzas. You can't tell by the size which one you will like best. We have a 2004 Escape, original tires were 16 inch and were good for about 35k of noisy miles. Our 2009 Escape has 17 inch lower profile tires and they are going to be good for at least 80k and are much quieter. I had a 2007 Fusion with 17 inch Michelin tires, ... Read More
Bigger rims equal lower profile tires if they are going to fit the same car properly. Lower profile tires equal worse ride. More rubber and air between the rim and the road equals better ride. Multiple reviews mention worse ride with the larger wheels on this car and others. There is no way the thin low profile 40-45 series tires of any brand can be comparable to the best riding "normal" ... Read More
The Fusion with OEM 19" rims look great at least. I like "right sized" rims. I see a lot of cars on the road who's owners have made grave errors in judgement. I am talking about 22" and up, non OEM monstrosities on the wrong cars. We have all seen them. Like cars with tiny brakes and giant; see through flat black rims look terrible, no matter what make and model. ... Read More
My point is, rim size by itself doesn't completely determine ride quality. Tires make big difference.
I agree whole heartedly about the larger rims. I get that they look better, but only because the dang mfgrs are making wheel wells begging to be filled. Big rims suck in all ways except aesthetics. I also agree on the too-close-to-the-head headrests. It may not be an issue for those who sit with their seat back reclined even a little past slight, but for those with lower back issues, for ... Read More
> no "bashing." I gave the reasons why I don't want large, low profile tires. I am with you on the smaller diameter rims with a taller sidewall to absorb bumps and potholes, if any. I do not like the way a nicer car is always mated to larger rims and lower profile tires. It should be a choice, and not a mandate with an upscale package. To each his own. ... Read More
I don't want 18 inch wheels either. 17 inch max. Hence, Titanium is not an option for me. There was no "bashing." I gave the reasons why I don't want large, low profile tires. For 2014, it looks like there may be a possibility of configuring it in an acceptable way (assuming the smart entry isn't bundled in a package that adds 18 wheels) and assuming that the headrests and not ... Read More
I have a 2013 Fusion Titanium with 19 inch wheels. The wheels are optional. No need to bash something because it doesn't meet your particular criteria. Personally, push button start/remote entry is ok, but a security risk. I'd be ok with a Titanium with less power. Although I didn't go to either one of the links you posted, I see one is from Forbes. Do you get your financial advice from ... Read More
I had no reason to drive it because I knew I was not going to buy one without push starter and smart entry and I was also not buying a Titanium with 19 inch wheels. No reason to waste time test driving if it didn't meet my criteria at the time. http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewdepaula/2013/04/30/test-drive-2013-ford-fusio- - n-impresses-in-every-way-but-one/ http://www.edmunds.com/ford/fusion/2013/consumer-reviews/disappointed-overall.ht- ml?style=200421095&sub=&reviewId=358564146
In other words, you haven't driven a 2013 Fusion, but are willing to believe the negative things 'some others' say.
It is supposed to be out this summer with an 1.5 liter option replacing the 1.6 option on automatic-equipped models. It is supposed to increase fuel economy noticeably without reducing performance. The 1.5 is also supposed to be smoother and quieter than the 1.6. Besides that, the SE option packages are changed. You will finally be able to buy a Fusion with Smart entry and push button start without having to ... Read More
Strangely this comparo is at odds with other reviews of the same vehicles, where they couldn't praise the Accord high enough and found the Altima rather mushy. See http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2013-ford-fusion-se-ecoboost-vs-2013-hon- da-accord-ex-2013-nissan-altima-25-sv-2012-volkswagen-passat-25-se-comparison-te- st
"Speaking of the Passat, who is buying these things? I live about 5 miles from a VW dealer and I've only seen 3 or 4 of the current model." I do see them around Louisville here and there, but not a whole lot compared to Fusions, Sonatas, etc., let alone Accord, Camry, and Altima. VW can make c. 170,000 Passats a year at its TN factory, which is a bit more ... Read More
I found out that the Optima's sold in Canada are made in Korea, not in the USA. Why? Why would Kia ship cars 6500 miles from Korea instead of 1300 miles from the US? High export tariffs/taxes? On Ford's alleged "big problem" with it's 6F35 6 speed automatic...I never even heard of it until I saw a post here. I looked it up on the Fusion forums and was able to ... Read More
I thought Ford was already building the Fusion at Flat Rock, MI, but that won't happen until this Fall, according this this article. And so my guess above was clearly wrong. I don't think Ford will be able to make and sell more than c. 300,000 Fusions for model year 2013. During model year 2014, however, Ford should be able to make 450,000—if there's demand for that many.... http://wardsauto.com/auto-makers/ford-march-sales-9-capacity-tight-fusion Ford turned ... Read More
Hey guys. Have you all seen the new Lincoln MKZ? I know this is mid-size sedans, but we all know that it's a Fusion underneath. The last MKZ was almost stupidly half-a**, but this one is something else. It deserves the Lincoln name, and I hope Ford can pull off it's new "Lincoln Motor Company" strategy. http://www.caranddriver.com/photos-12q4/488202/2013-lincoln-mkz-awd-photo-490182- - Here is a link to C/D first drive. I love it. Make mine ... Read More
Thanks for your reviews as you decide which midsize sedan to get. Seems like each of us who own our particular car want to put in our 2 cents for our brand. Nothing wrong with that, and I'm going to do the same. Over the last 13 years I've owned one new Ford (a 2000 Focus ZTS 5 MT), one new Mazda (a 2010 Mazda5 5MT), and two new Hondas (a ... Read More
A lot of good insights here, igo. Thank you. I'm in the market for a new midsizer right now and the three finalists for me are the Mazda 6, Honda Accord and Ford Fusion. Each has its pluses and minuses... I would've also considered the Altima, but since "sporty" Nissan decided to nix the manual transmission option, I responded, in turn, by crossing them off my shopping list. And therein lies ... Read More
I have actually had some hands-on experience with several of the newest mid-sizers. I drove a new Mazda6 Grand Touring all day while I was having my CX-9 serviced one day last week. My brother-in-law is the body shop manager at a Honda dealer and he brought home a 2013 Accord Sport CVT for me to drive for a weekend. My best-friend has a 2013 Fusion SE 1.6 EcoBoost as his ... Read More
The Passat, like any car, is perceived differently depending on the observer. To some, the design is stately and classy, looking more expensive than it is. There is almost an Audi look to it. In any event, it doesn't tread into "dowdy," like the old Ford Five Hundred/Mercury Sable that preceded the 2010 makeover of the Taurus. VW's quality had been in place for a long time (with some exceptions) and ... Read More
Have been shopping and test driving a few mid-sizer's: The 2014 Mazda 6 sport was a hoot to drive, the four almost has the torque of a V-6. Rather noisy on the highway (it was windy) and the sight lines are not great, small mirrors too.Still felt more like a sports car than a sedan, though you do feel every road irregularity. The 2013 Accord LX 4 cyl. - still looks ... Read More
The Fusion should be about as reliable as any of the other choices. Cars are just like that today. One small gripe about the Fusion...with the longest wheelbase (over 112"), it should have full-size room, like the Accord and Sonata do. The Passat with 2" less wheelbase is cavernous by comparison. The Ford may be high style, but that doesn't explain the lack of interior room. It is not lower or ... Read More
I admit this is some part speculation and some what people who you would think should know have told me. When you go to Ford.com go to Fusions and then to Search Dealer Inventory by Zip Code. I admit I have only done this for Southern California. What I have found are the same couple units at all dealers that they have had for a few weeks and all others "In ... Read More
In the November C/D comparo the 2013 Ford Fusion 1.6 Eco-Boost check engine light was activated a few times during testing. Not good. C/D also noted that the engine and tranny had to work hard due to peaky power delivery (smaller displacement). There are three engine choices for us here in the USA: 1.6 EcoBoost (turbo) (made in UK) 2.5 inline 4 (non-turbo) (made in Mexico) 2.0 EcoBoost ( turbo) (made ... Read More
Does anyone know if the 2014 Mazda 6 manual will be available w/any "premium" options (specifically a sunroof, SiriusXM and paint in a shade other than black, white or gray)? I was interested in replacing my 2010 Focus SES w/a CX-5 manual until I found out that checking the box for a stick shift meant going home with the AM radio special in grandmotherly gray. Apparently Mazda thinks all motorists who ... Read More
The Passat is well-done. Understated but elegant styling, room, and handling. Sales have gone from almost nothing to quite respectable, and deservedly so. It's a great time to shop for a mid-sized car. Everything has recently been renewed, or will be shortly. None of them are duds, with the possible exception of the Chrysler 200, which should be entirely new in 2014. I like the Fusion a lot, but its looks ... Read More
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