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Is it true that the cost for volume dealer is much lower?
by dongliu on Thu Jun 28 11:21:09 PDT 2007
Thanks greytautumn for the inside information. For a long time I suspected that the cost could be much lower for those cash-paying, early-ordering, and large-volume dealers. It is also desirable for Toyota to offer big incentive to those dealers that pay cash for confirmed orders ahead of production. It will enable Toyota to adjust their assembly line, parts ordering, and even shipping schedule. Every step is not trivial for such a big manufacturer to organize such a huge flow of money and merchandise. I have good experience this time at Ira, and at Quirk Ford last time. Both have really large inventory of cars parked behind the sales floor. I can always feel the intense pressure to make a deal and move the cash flow. That make the salesmen nice and customer happy. That is why I feel reluctant to go to smaller dealers. Now looking back at dealers, I would think that it is only fair that these large-volume, eagerly-negotiating dealers are rewarded with lower cost. Anyone has more concrete information?
Good Price and Good Service at Ira for LE #3
by dongliu on Wed Jun 27 20:45:46 PDT 2007
I deeply appreciate this forum and help from kind people here, so I would like to share my recent experience about Sienna LE #3. First, all dealers I went to in Boston area have very good service. I have not been hassled even once, not at Toyota, not at Honda, and not at Kia. Also, I was not charged any exotic fees. On the President's Day this year, I went to Boch Toyota and Honda. Up front they offered me Toyota Sienna CE for $20,700, and Honda Odyssey LE for $21,500. We like Sienna better, and would prefer stability control, so we kept on shopping. With the advice given on this forum, I tried e-mail attack. Another dealer gave me a very competitive quote, when rebate was $750. Benefited from historical information from this forum, I waited patiently for $1,500 rebate. Two weeks ago on Father's Day Sunday, armed with all the numbers I started the first trip to Ira Toyota at Danvers, just to test water. I wanted to set a very low but possible price level, and see dealer's response. I was fully prepared to leave on that day, and return several weeks later. I was prepared to give in after two months, or go to Boch Honda to see if I can get Honda Odyssey LE for $20,000. With all the actual price posted on this forum, I set my price to $23,400 after $1,500 rebate. I really do not want to pay more with Odyssey LE below $21,500. The excuse I gave is that Sienna CE was advertised at $19,777. The Sienna LE #3 lists at $29,122. With the same discount in absolute number like CE, LE #3 should come to $23,400. I am "generous" because I use absolute number of dollars. If using proportion, the price should be even lower. On that day, I drove into the parking lot. There were half a dozen salesmen waiting in the parking lot to greet us, and no other customer in sight. Inside the sales floor there were only two to three groups of customers. The salesman was very knowledgeable and very nice. He helped us choose the right van with our choice of color, from a dozen Siennas in the lot, 4 of which were LE #3. Somehow the list price became $29,488. I was offer $1,500 discount plus $1,500 rebate, so the dealer's quote was $26,488. After a long discussion, I had another thousand dollar off. At this point I was really surprised, and told the salesman honestly that I did not expect a Sienna with stability control, a mandatory feature in my view, would come so expensive. So I started to dis-engage in a nice way, and plan my dealing with Honda dealers. I understand it is their car, they are entitled to ask a good money. Just not my money at this price. The salesman went inside, and came back with a final price of $23,988 for that day only. With $200 documentation fee, small amount of license fee, and 5% tax, I came away with a Sienna LE #3, and there was only 12 miles on the car. Later I dealt with other people in the dealership. Everyone is very nice and helpful. I was never even offered any other equipment, or any other service. It seems that everyone just wish to see us leave with their car as soon as possible. I could not believe that I got this deal at first try. Last week I read an article on Wall Street Journal saying that Toyota has built too many factories in US and has over-capacity problem. Another reason is the empty sales floor on that day (Sunday noon). I simply could not understand this. On the President's Day, Boch Toyota was so crowded that we could not find a seat. Even three months ago on a raining Wednesday evening, Ira Toyota was half full. The only reasons I could think of is that the interest rate increased from 6.2% to 6.8% (30 year), and unemployment rate in Massachusetts increased from 4.5% to 5.1% (US average stays at 4.4%). I was a little embarrassed to post this number, but I really wish that people can get the car they want, and the dealers like Boch and Ira can sell the car they have already paid for. So happy negotiation!
Honda Odyssey LX Has Vehicle Stability Control As Standard, Unlike Sienna
by dongliu on Mon Feb 19 10:30:01 PST 2007
I was offered a Honda Odyssey LX for about $21 - $22K, Odyssey's lowest trim. It has Vehicle Stability Control built in. Kia Sedona has VSC built in too on all the trims. But its engine/gas pedal response is too erratic to my preference. I feel sad that I had to rule Kia out. To be honest, my wife strongly prefers the interior of Toyota Sienna. I was also attracted to that. We are willing to pay more for the luxury. We are ready to accept certain amount to packaged feature for features we want. But paying above $2,000 for a safety feature costing several hundreds is beyond our way. Well, we are out for more negotiation and see if we have to bite the bullet.
Decided Not To Choose 2007 Sienna CE For Lack of Vehicle Stability Control
by dongliu on Mon Feb 19 08:26:03 PST 2007
A long time ago I started to wonder about why there is so little interest on Sienna CE. Most Sienna owners I know choose much more expensive version like LE with alloy wheels. Just today I read on Boston Sunday Globe about NHTSA's pending regulation on mandatory Electronic Stability Control ( ESC), and Ford and GM's decision to install ESC on all vehicles by 2009 or 2010. That made me feel very bad to choose a CE or LE without VSC. Just like nobody today will select a car without ABS, even though millions of drivers live happily without ABS, I simply do not feel comfortable in leaving out this safety feature claimed to be the most important after safety belt. Study after study indicates the effectiveness of ESC/VSC, and NHTSA estimates the cost of ESC to be $111 on top of ABS. All these information cast a negative image on Toyota, which bundle this crucial and inexpensive technology with other non-safety features, forcing customers to pay two thousands more. CE Package #2 with VSC is reasonable at MSRP $1,345, Invoice $1,077, but has never been available at dealers. LE Package #3 (or above) has VSC, but costs MSRP $2,795, Invoice $2,236. I understand that Sienna is excellent all-around. Even compared to its closest competitor Honda Odyssey, Sienna has an interior much more pleasing and luxurious. It just beyond my understanding that Toyota is willing to play such a low-class marketing tactics to announce a seemingly price-competitive model (CE and LE without VSC), and use such an important safety feature as ESC/VSC to block any intelligent customer from actually buying these models. In my view, that is bait-and-switch on a global scale.
$20K for 2007 Sienna CE in Massachusetts
by dongliu on Sun Feb 18 14:59:12 PST 2007
It is funny that Toyota gave out $400 colleage graduation rebate, and the dealers used it to announce a fancy "ad price". It is also funny that the dealers add "mandatory" options to the car, and not have these options included in the "ad price." With all the fine prints, the "ad price" of $19,000 for a CE with $475 cruise control and roof rack and $240 carpet and mats turns out into a little more over $20K. Well, I have to admit that $20K for a CE is still a very attractive price. Just the surprise and the inconsistence with the "ad price" gave me the hesitation to sign the deal right away. Anyone has similar experience?
Is $20K for 2007 Sienna CE a good price?
by dongliu on Thu Feb 15 18:48:34 PST 2007
I just learned that privacy glass can be mimicked by tinted class, an easy operation costing about $200. That makes Sienna CE an acceptable choice. I do not like power sliding door. I can live without stability control or cruise control. That is just me. Every minivan owner around me craved for all these gizmos and gadgets, and paying $35,000 or more for their Honda Odysseys or Toyota Siennas. A friend with $26,000 Toyota Sienna was considered a penny-pincher. Well, I saw $20,000 for 2007 Sienna CE from Boch Toyota at Norwood, MA. Is this a good deal for CE? Did anybody heard of CE with the option of Vehicle Stability Control and Traction Control?

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