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Re: G8 GT MF and Residuals??? [paisan]
by rayainsw on Sun Aug 10 16:35:02 PDT 2008
Aha - I see. I mis-understood... Sorry.
Re: G8 GT MF and Residuals??? [paisan]
by rayainsw on Sun Aug 10 16:01:08 PDT 2008
" $27-28k out the door with tax for the GT" Where & exactly how did you negotiate that deal? With base MSRP ( 2008 ) of $30K for a G8 GT & tax generally in the 6% range - well, I am impressed! Thanks, - Ray Still thinking 2009 - at more $$s....
snow tires Solara G35 etc [chats1]
by rayainsw on Tue Jun 06 05:20:53 PDT 2006
So many questions – most having little to do with the GXP . . First – if you are almost 2 years from trading \ buying, almost everything I could write here will definitely change in that time – by a little or by a lot. Generally, AWD is good when accelerating in nasty weather. Better in snow, sleet, even heavy rain than RWD. With appropriate tires. ( In real nasty, cold weather, UHP Summer tires will not work well with any number or position of the driving wheels . . ) AWD does not help in stopping and any improvement in steady state cornering is typically marginal under any conditions. And AWD is not necessarily even better than an otherwise equivalent RWD, given that most AWD systems based on RWD (all the ones I am aware of) add weight, and typically add most or all of that weight to the front end of the vehicle. And this further adds to the typical front weight bias. AWD can aid in (um) enthusiastic corner exit acceleration. AWD would specifically be a help for the GXP in WOT launch conditions - even on dry pavement. Better allocation of traction and less Torque Steer would likely result. There have been AWD versions of the GP – but only prototypes, AFAIK. The difference in weight between the A4 FWD and AWD is over 150 pounds. Others (G35 Sedan, for example) add over 250 pounds with AWD. Not to mention the added complexity & mechanical drag. And an additional initial cost typically in the $2K range. The G35 Coupe may not be available with AWD for 2007. I have seen no indication that it will. But Infiniti has only released official information on the somewhat restyled G35 Sedan, thus far. As I mentioned earlier, the BMW 3 series coupe will have AWD, but on their 328 – not the 335 – at least initially. An AWD 335 coupe may come later. Perhaps as early as next Spring. I am not aware of a current Audi coupe available in the US, except the TT. Data I have seen suggest that generally Audi and most other German Sedans seem to have less than stellar reliability, compared to Japanese sedans. But that statement often seems to inflame many. Your experience may vary. And overall automotive reliability has improved significantly over the past several years. One fairly current comparison of AWD cars w/discussion of RWD and snow tires: http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=3280&page_number- - =10 Another is in the April 2004 issue of Automobile – starting on page 78. RWD and FWD based AWD systems tested. I don’t see it on line, but the local Library may have a copy. In my opinion, snow tires (4) are really the only safe way to deal with what I’d call “significant snow”. And I spent a long time living in New Hampshire. Relatively narrow all-seasons and FWD or AWD will likely deal reasonable well with most typical conditions south of Vermont, NH, Maine and upstate NY (on the eastern seaboard). When I thought I would likely have to move back to New Hampshire (family concerns) I did buy a 2002 Passat W8 AWD Sedan. With reasonable tires, I think it would have been a fine compromise for those conditions. The Solara is not on my radar. My feeling on such coupes is that: If I have a back seat and expect any adult to ever ride there, I want a door for them as well. Just one of my quirks. ( There are sooooo many. ) And: The last Quarter Mile time I recall for the Solara V6 was around 15 flat. Not slow, of course, but not quick enough to interest me at this point. Good luck finding a FWD (or AWD) coupe as quick as the GXP! In 2 years, they may be everywhere! Rumors abound . . - Ray Happy with the GXP’s coupe-ish profile & 4 doors . .
Re: Update report 1 year + 15,000 miles [rmozol]
by rayainsw on Mon Jun 05 11:36:41 PDT 2006
I am truly sorry to hear of the bad experience you had with the previous gen. M45. I certainly do not mean to suggest that the GXP is “better” than the M45. I was referring here specifically to the fact that the new gen. M45 has been consistently tested and published by the print media as a fairly quick ( 4000#+ ) Sedan – Generally in the high 13s to very low 14s – at close to or over 100 MPH. It is the only one in the class (as I define it) that is quicker than the GXP. Quarter mile & 0 – 60 times clearly do not completely describe the driving experience of any car. But the acceleration feel I have with this GXP is something I do not want to give up next time around. I drove 3 new M45 Sports last year, and I believe the published acceleration numbers. The only two 2003 M45 tests I could find show ( MT ) 14.4 @ 96.3 and ( R&T ) 14.6 @ 97. MT’s test of the new M45 = 14.1 @ 98.8, and R&T = 13.8 @ 104. Point being, the new one is substantially quicker. One goal for my next automotive purchase is to (at least) match the acceleration of my GXP, and add an additional level of refinement & amenities. Without spending (quite all of) my daughter’s inheritance. The M45 has at least equal acceleration (partly a function of aggressive gearing) to the GXP, and availability of some additional items I’d find interesting & useful. I also found the new M45 Sport to be a fun car to drive. IMHO. Cheers, - Ray Addicted to Fun!
Re: Update report 1 year + 15,000 miles [chats1]
by rayainsw on Mon Jun 05 09:42:09 PDT 2006
Well, I was quite seriously looking at the $50K - $55K ( MSRP ) sedan market when I heard the actual production specifications for the GXP. I was intrigued, and waited to drive one before making my decision. The GXP is ( clearly ) not, and does not pretend to be, a competitor in the $50K+ sedan class, in several aspects. Yet most $50K+ sedans, such as the AWD Audi A6 V8, the Jag S-Type (V8, but not ‘R’), Lexus GS430, BMW 530, Acura RL, MB E350, Caddy STS V8, etc. are not significantly quicker than the GXP. And I have no need or particular desire for AWD. RWD would be nice. The M45 Sport is the sole exception with respect to better acceleration, at this point. I will probably not replace my GXP with a newer Grand Prix. Come time for me to change again, in another 6 to 12 months ( more often than any sane person, I acknowledge ), I will likely look very closely at that $50K+ Sedan segment again. The BMW 5 series ** MAY ** be offered with the Twin Turbocharged 3.0L with 300 HP \ TQ by next Spring. If the interior & exterior styling is ( ahem ) toned down a bit, I might consider ED with my daughter. That would be a trip. So to speak . . I may even look at the BMW 3 series, if the Sedan received this motor as well as the Coupe. Volvo will introduce an S80, significantly updated & with a 300+ HP V8. Euro delivery again an option next Spring. The STS V8 will be available with a six speed automatic for 2007 – and the wider ratio spread in this trans. ought to allow improvements in both acceleration and real world cruise MPG. But unless the Caddy’s option group pricing is changed (by a lot) and \ or there is a $10K+ price reduction from MSRP “on the hood” when I am ready, the $60K+ price of the version I’d have to order may again eliminate that possibility. ( 1SG with K59 Adaptive Cruise & HUD and PCZ Performance Handling Pkg.) And questions like: Will an effective “rev match on downshift” be implemented with the new trans.? - will likely have to remain open until I am actually able to drive one. The A6 V8 is slated to receive more HP – and possibly more TQ for 2007. And better fuel mileage. Perhaps that will be enough to justify another test drive. It appears likely that the M45 will not offer substantial changes for MY 2007. We shall see. We truly do live in “interesting times” – automotive-ly, at least. - Ray Enjoying ** THIS ** drive, for now . .
Update report 1 year + 15,000 miles
by rayainsw on Mon Jun 05 06:01:29 PDT 2006
In a few days, I will have driven my GXP for a year – and likely just over 15,000 miles. Report: Executive summary = I do enjoy driving this car – I have fun every time I drive it. Likes: Acceleration. Marvelous. And addictive. I enjoy the big torque low down style of power delivery. A very personal preference, clearly. And I also prefer the low RPM at cruise. 2,000 rpm is over 70 mph. Just a bias - one of mine that is not entirely logical. At steady cruise, the exhaust fades into the general background noise, and is covered by the stereo even at low volume. And the smooth, strong, immediate power delivery leaves me with a feeling of effortlessness. Exhaust note on acceleration. ( See above. ) Handling. FWD very well managed. Fun! Braking. Very good. The brakes are powerful and linear in response. Confidence inspiring. Driver’s seat. Supportive and comfortable in driving 6+ hours at a time & good lateral support in cornering. Lumbar support adjustability is excellent – the ability to move the support up and down as well is appreciated. And the seat bottom front raises / rear lowers = excellent support when I want it for my thighs. And the seat heaters warm up very quickly! I like the suede inderts. Ride. Bilstein dampers work very well. Steering – Precise, poised, relaxed, stable. HUD. XM. The instruments and displays are clear and arranged logically. The controls are arranged sensibly and work well – mostly intuitive. I do not find the trim quality offensive. It is not an Audi interior (another thread) but it appears well screwed (welded, snapped, glued) together and nothing strikes me as misaligned or mis-fitted. Overall build quality is acceptable to me. I have noticed no body / chassis flex and no squeaks or rattles - so far. There is no discernable wear on any surface inside the cabin. Outward visibility is excellent. The inside and outside mirrors are placed and sized nicely to allow me to deal with Hot-Lanta area (NUTS!) traffic. Could use improvement: I did have to have my trans. replaced. At approx. 6,000 miles. And others have reported issues. MPG. Certainly not bad, considering the power available, and how often I dip into it, but . . Wish list: If I wanted to replace this 2005 GXP with a similar vehicle, I’d want these items included. ( But I am aware that none will likely find their way into the FWD GXP. ) Six speed automatic trans. ( Sad that the newly announced 6T75 will handle the [ old, FWD version of ] the 4.6 North* HP & TQ, but not the LS4’s. ) Assuming the existing four speed automatic: Downshifts would be a bit more refined if the GXP had implemented the really trick ‘rev match on downshift’ that the Infiniti M45 Sport does have. An ‘uplevel’ interior, (at least optionally, now that the Bonneville is gone) with some higher quality materials, cooled as well as heated seats, an enhanced HUD with features like the Tachometer graphic included with the Corvette version. Some of the large plastic pieces (on the doors, for example) would look and feel better if done in a high quality fabric and / or leather. A tire pressure monitor that actually displays PSI for each tire. A power tilt & TELESCOPING steering wheel. With finer gradations. Larger fuel tank. 20 gal. would work for me. A longer standard warrantee??? Another 50 HP & TQ. ( Just kidding . . ) Bottom Line. For me, at that point in time (with GMS pricing: MSRP $33K, I paid $27K) this GXP was the ideal compromise for what I need – and what I want. There is no significant flaw – for me. And the value proposition is valid. Again - for me. A better overall performance \ luxury sedan would have cost me a bunch more. And one year after purchase, I see nothing in the price class that I think would be a better deal – for me. - Ray Happy Camper . .

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