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Re: NAH vs. TCH [kiraadc]
by newcars on Fri Apr 24 14:21:50 PDT 2009
Thank you for your advice and mileage report. I appreciate it. One more question that I must ask about the Nissan Altima Hybrid. How quiet is it? We agree that the Camry is a boring car but one thing that I did love about it is that it was whisper quiet. I really did not realize how much I enjoyed that quiet until I drove other cars (including a non-hybrid Altima as a rental). Nothing compared to the quiet of my Toyota Camry Hybrid. However else the Camry is boring -- and we agree that it is boring -- the Toyota Camry Hybrid is quiet. Very quiet. And sometimes after a long, stressful day, that quiet is absolutely GREAT! So I need to know, is the Nissan Altima Hybrid quiet?
Re: NAH vs. TCH [newcars]
by kiraadc on Fri Apr 24 11:22:06 PDT 2009
I am the former owner of a Toyota Camry (not a hybrid) that was a good but, well yes, boring car. I bought my 2008 NAH last July and have loved everything about it ever since. I would say my gas mileage was in the 36-40 mpg range in the summer, depending on AC, city vs. highway driving etc. When just highway, I got around 42, which was sweet. Winter range: 32-35 mpg. I live in DC. I didn't consider the TCH because (a) I didn't want another boring car and (b) there was no Federal tax credit available. The NAH car is fun to drive, has pickup when you need it, and is so stylish that a colleague even left a note on the car, not knowing it belonged to me, admiring it parked in front of the building and wondering where she could get one too. (NAH is not available in my area, so it requires a serious commitment to go to NJ, NY, or New England to get it from here as well as research on who will service it.) My 11-year-old daughter thinks the back seat is roomier than than Camry. I don't know that's true, but she thinks the Altima is "way cool." The only drawback is that smaller trunk, but I have found it adequate, even for beach vacations with all the attendant accountrements. I loved not only my Federal tax rebate but also the fact that I was exempted from state sales tax (tied to the Federal status) and got a reduced registration fee as well. Rebates and reduced rates for hybrids are different in different states, but that's easy to check on the web. Those economics helped make my decision. Also, I wanted to write in after owning the car 8 months just to say thanks to those who have posted in this forum for their honest and helpful observations and hints. The posts gave me the confidence to research a vehicle I couldn't drive until I committed to checking one out far away from home. It has proven to be a great decision so far. Good luck with your purchase.
NAH vs. TCH
by newcars on Mon Apr 20 10:29:04 PDT 2009
I currently have a 2007 Toyota Camry Hybrid that I bought in late September 2006, just in time for the full ($2,600) Federal tax credit. It is a great car. In the summer I average about 37-38mpg and in the winter about 32mpg. It is incredibly quiet and roomy although, like all Toyotas, I would not exactly call it sporty. The problem is, after nearly three years and 50,000 miles, I am getting bored with it. Since I love the quiet and (relatively) great fuel economy of hybrids, I want to stick with one and with the full, $2,350 Federal tax credit still in effect for the Nissan Altima Hybrid, I think I can still come out ahead buying one. The NAH is a little sportier than the TCH, I like the backup camera available with the NAH and think Nissan generally has better navigation systems than Toyota but the TCH is roomier and quieter. I am tending towards the NAH but would first like to know if its fuel economy is comparable to that of the TCH. And also, if anyone here has looked at both the TCH and NAH, why did you choose what you chose? Thank to everyone in advance.
Re: Farwell to this board! [mags49]
by occking on Mon Mar 16 05:26:14 PDT 2009
I think there are still great deals out there on the NAH's, particularly as the Federal Tax Credit of $2350 still available, plus cash back of $1500 (although, I was upset to find out from accountant I will not get the full $4700 back for two cars. Apparently the AMT kicked in & I am getting $4050 back between the two vehicles. Maybe I was foolish getting rid of the NAH. I got $17,500 trade in, which based on KBB for that vehicle with the mileage I had (34,500) was about 110% of trade in value. I see now that the dealer is asking $22,000 for the vehicle on their website. I don't think they will get that much for it as anyone could buy a new one, identical with all the options (like the one you are looking at) for probably around $29,000, less the rebate, less the tax credit so that would be around $25,000 net. Why would anyone want a vehicle with 34k for 22k when a brand new one for just a few thousand more? At any rate, I get "bored" with new cars (have been spoiled with company cars for the past 25 years) and thought it time for a change. Although I did manage with the small storage capacity in the NAH I really wanted to get back to something with more room, AWD, reasonable gas mileage, etc. I believe with the Forester will average somewhere between the 20 - 27 mpg advertised for a lot of my running around, hoping for the high twenties for highway driving. Nissan will have a lot more competition now with the new Ford Product out there advertising better mpg, plus the new Honda Insight and improved Prius. Got to run....
Re: What did you pay for '08 w/Tech Package? [langjie]
by hiwayman on Tue Dec 18 16:07:49 PST 2007
That seems to be the neighborhood for the top-o-the-line NAH. We paid right in the same area (can't remember exactly). Have seen roughly the same price, give or take for others that have gotten a pretty good deal. The 24K Mazda6 paid wouldn't have been for a Tech Package w/leather. There's a mid-range package called the Connection Package that probably is in that price range. The car is really a blast to drive. I've driven Priuses, and found them to be, well, boring. Yeah, you feel good about saving gas, but geeky at the same time. It's particularly fun when someone is tailgating you, because they see the "hybrid" badge on the NAH trunk, and think they're following an anemically powered gas sipper. You stomp the pedal, and not even very hard, and, like Clark Kent, the car turns from a mild mannered transporter into something that feels like it is able to leap tall buidlings. I've seen more than one tail gater with a look of surprise on their face... ;) Still getting used to a "no shift" transmission, but so far it behaves very well except in one case. On long downhills out of mountains, the car uses the engine to regenerate power (charge the battery). Once the battery is charged, the engine seems to overspeed, as the load is released by the computer. A slight pressure on the gas pedal stops the overspeeding sound, and slows the engine a bit...probably OK, but seems odd. No worries with us about the light-colored headliner. We used to have a car with a dark headliner, and on hot summer days, it would radiate heat for 10 minutes after the car got underway, until the AC could battle the heat into submission. Our experience with the headliner and moon roof is that we can get in the car, crack the moon roof at the rear (press the moonroof switch on the "closed" side, even if it's already closed) , run the AC, and the heat rises out of the car within a minute or so. Someone at Nissan was using their noggin.
Re: $10K Off - Not That Hard... [pmtre]
by davant on Tue Nov 27 18:51:46 PST 2007
Tom, Yes, we traded the '06 Ody Touring in the deal. You may wan to put your feet up to read the of this long fingered response. I'm fairly savvy at this so I broke every rule by starting with a bottom line OTD trade differential between trade value, payoff, and the Armada fully loaded as noted above under $40K. We haggled one volley, got a few freebies tossed in and agreed, done deal, total time on the phone, less than five minutes. I only did this after dissecting the value of each independently using CR actual dealer cost (Edmunds figures are darn close and free) & trade figure reports too, adding tax on the diff, profit margin, etc. I don't recommend doing it this way unless you're good at backsolving, splitting, and researching to what some might consider obsession. It does cut the transaction down to a no BS negotiation and let's the dealer know up front you've done some homework. You'll be lucky to get what Edmunds or anyplace else says you should get as trade-in. Private sale will get you the best ROI but won't work with negative equity and takes time (rebate ends EOM or 3 Dec, can't remember which). We were basically upside down a few grand but that was overcome by the biggie 4.5K rebate. I did OK on this deal (middle of Black Book trade value when I thought it should be upper end) but surely someone here actually has or will claim to have done much better. I feel comfy with my trade value because I got $500-750 more from this dealer than any other on the same or similarly priced vehicle with less of a discount and they did this sight unseen (subject to inspection of course). Dealers I've dealt with will only give you what a similar priced vehicle could be bought for wholesale either from another dealer or an auction. This ensures dealer can make a profit but possibly gives them a wider range of profit compared to the new car sale that gives them a commision based on sales, totals, goals, etc. Recommend only dealing with Internet department managers to avoid the what's it gonna take to get you in it today conversations with white patent leather shoe wearing salesmen. Either do so via email at first, or call them cold with a proposal, it worked for me, just be prepared to go for it if they meet your figures. Anyway, we got captains chairs. They are the same exact seat on the sides as the bench config only you get a toybox instead of a jump seat in the middle. We also got one that's Flex Fuel just in case it catches on here in FL. FFV is hypochracy IMO as it says I'm going green but in actuality means we aren't picky what type fuel we guzzle. Doing a quicky check, $21K for your '04 LE may have been darn good but can't tell what you have on it or condition. The big SUV's aren't hot right now due to gas prices. The '08's went up quite a bit compared to 07's but with all the changes, well worth it. In three years I could be here posting that the 2010 is better yet. I've only just begun to explore the bells & whistles on ours (got it today) but it's awesome, polished, understated but not boring. I can't imagine paying $10-15K more for a QX-56 with fancier rims, active cruise, one notch up the class scale. Sorry to ramble but there's good info here,do research and don't cave in if the numbers checkout... walk or hang-up instead. Good luck!.

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