Nebraska Kia Car Dealers

For starters, every dealer was out of 2011 Kia's by June. The lowest I saw was ONE 2011 EX, advertised for $23K, list $30K (or something like that), yet people posting here seem to be getting TEN THOUSAND OFF sticker price. WTF? Furthermore, what I want is a clean used Kia. I was told they had the worst resale prices in the industry -- literally, the lowest. But USED Kias (and Hyundai Entourages) are at such a premium, I have been beaten out 3 times, to buy a 4 year old vehicle at $13-14K. That's not cheap, if the owner (according to older posts here circa 2008-2009) were paying only $18-19K for a brand NEW Sedona EX; that means it barely depreciated at all in 4 years and 50K. What is going on here? I do notice that Kia's (and many other cars) have had exploding price increases. Some of this is going for what I consider very unnecessary options (that are now unavoidable) like power sliding doors and liftgates, rear parking cameras, and so on. They've made a very affordable vehicle now almost as pricey as a Honda or Toyota, without the supposed resale value. 4 years ago when I bought my last minivan (Nissan Quest), I paid $11K. In 2005, I bought a minivan -- $11K. In 2002, I bought a minivan -- $11K. Prices were incredibly stable. These were ALL 4 year old vehicles with less than 50K miles. Yet this year, I can't TOUCH anything for $11k or close. The lowest prices are Kia's, but are rarely under $14K -- that's a 40% price increase! Furthermore, dealers are very arrogant....act like they don't care if you buy or not. Or that they always sell at "full asking price". Yesterday, a dealer dragged me across town (60 mile round trip, with gas at $3.79!) to see a dirty, stained, scratched Hyundai Entourage, which I could not drive (it hadn't been to the service dept) and demanded $14K, and that they were not giving up so much as $1 on the deal. And he had a another buyer -- she went to lunch while he was supposedly evaluating her trade, and in that hour, he was trying to sell to me! behind her back! nice guy! -- and mind you this for a car I was not permitted to drive, filthy, scratched, etc. He was not negotiating. He didn't have to, because he claimed "everyone wants minivans". Of course, other dealers and common sense tell me most carmakers aren't even producing minivans, due to low sales, and even Kia is discontinuing the Sedona after 2012! (The Entourage is long gone.) That means of course, NO lower price minivans, just Hondas and Siennas for $40K new, $25K used. I'm just having horrible, horrible problems buying a Kia Sedona EX (2006 or newer) or a Hyundai Entourage in the NE Ohio area -- I'm no youngster, and have bought many cars, and 4 vans and I've literally never seen anything like this. The dealers practically spit on me when I walk in the door (if they even acknowledge my presence). I've had handshake deals, and deals with actual buyer agreements that were violated, as they sold cars out from under me, sometimes by only an hour or so ("we're a first come, first serve business"). In the past, I could usually PICK the best used van from a selection of 4-5 -- now I can't find ANYTHING. The prices are way, way up -- this makes NO SENSE if (according to older posts here), people were paying IN THE TEENS for Sedonas just 3 years ago!!!! And dealers are not dealing at all. I mean literally. Literally, yesterday a dealer told me he did not have to lower his asking price one cent to make a sale. He didn't need the sale. He didn't even have to clean the car to sell it! He did not have to let me test drive it. That's how CONFIDENT he was to sell at full asking price, 40% over what I have paid in the past. I don't get it. I'm doing something wrong -- what? What is it I have to do to find a new (used) van?