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A 08 25000 msrp jeep liberty 4wd sport will barely have a trade in value of about 13000 in 12 months. (What an 07 trades in for now --kbb.com). So that sounds lousy. Resale for all the 20mpg trucks/suv types of vehicles is miserable and anything less than 8 k or so off msrp for a liberty like this is no deal at all. You seem to be looking at several styles and good 4wd. Try cars.com on a search for your new vehicle within 200 or so miles of your home. May help to locate a 4wd nissan, and show how many available within 30-200 mi. The nissan frontier board has several posts of 8-10k off msrp and some assertions that dealers in certain areas are blowing out quests, frontiers, titans, and xterras for almost 40% off or more. May be worthwhile getting quotes from all the 4wd cars.com hits (or nissan website ) within 200 mi or so for quotes towards the end of the month and see what you can smoke out. Might be worth doing on the Honda Ridgeline, Pilot or Trailblazer, although only the trailblazer has true 4wd. A 32000 msrp 08 trailblazer has a kbb trade in price (07 used model) of about $13000. Nada and Edmunds put it at closer to 18000 but seeing lots of dealer usually high asking prices for low mile 07's below Nada trade in price the 13000 figure is probably closer to the truth. If you request bids from 20 or more dealers via email within 100 or so miles toward end of month would a 17000 or less price on a 32000 msrp TB be possible? 40% off a Frontier? (17000 for a well equipped 27000 4wd crew) 10000-12000 off a Ridgeline or Pilot? 10k off a Liberty? Don't know until you get the bids. (and callbacks from those interested) Lots off may include favorable financing or not. I've always liked the Dodge Dakota, and 1/2 (Its been done in Detroit on the Ram) off a (inflated msrp) 32000 Dakota would be good. All depends upon stocks on hand. Dakota has respectable 4wd, and lifetime powertrain waranty. Good luck --jjf i>I negotiated for $20,275 for a new 2008 4x4 Sport model. How does this deal sound? I'm also looking at Frontiers and Xterra's but I'm having trouble finding a 4x4 model. Nissan doesn't seem to make many four wheel drive vehicles in the south.

Just thought I would make a quick post. I don't have all the details of my lease, but the major points are as follows: MSRP: $38250 (Base Commander, U Pkg, Nav, V8, Uconnect, + etc) Sell Price: $30,800(approx) Lease: 36 months/20k miles per year (I needed high mileage for business purpose, actually 27 mos lease was less) Price: $448.00/month including tax (MI 6%) $0 due, Sign and Drive I used a friends DaimlerChrysler Employee Choice # for discount plus $3,000 incentive, plus dealer added additional discount I assume due to special programs on Commander in Detroit area. Thought I would let you know that there are some really good leases to be had. FYI, load up a base Commander and it is much better value and you don't have to deal with the chrome "roll handles" on the back!!

I'm picking up a 2005 Liberty 4x4 Renegade Rocky Mountain Edition tomorrow evening. Employee price I got was 4.5% under invoice before counting the rebate of military discount. Throw those discounts in and it comes to 14.3% under invoice! Pricing below: Liberty Renegade 4x4 = $22,144 Trailer Tow Group = $329 4-Speed Auto = $743 Selec-Trac = $356 Trac-Lok = $257 SIRIUS Radio = $176 Loyalty Mailing = $25 5 gallons gas = $8 Customer Preferred Package 28Y = $392 Detroit Outstate DAA = $205 Detroit Outer PPA/EB-PF = $210 Destination = $660 Total Invoice = $25,505 Employee Price Before Rebates = $24,355 Price After Rebates and Military Discount = $21,855 Total Delivered Priced (incl. 6% MI Sales Tax on $24,355 and $23 title transfer) = $25,839.30 Total Delivered Price After Rebates and Military Discount = $23,339.30

For those researching numbers to buy a Wrangler Unlimited, here are my details in hopes it helps...No haggle-prices using my company's Affiliate Rewards connection (aka Friends/Family/Partners - or FFP) which touts 1% under invoice. My dealer is in SE Michigan. Prices below are from the two columns in a printout from my dealer listed as "MSRP" and "FWP" (supposedly invoice)... Wrangler Unlimited White/Khaki 23,895 / 21,877 Automatic 825 / 726 Security Group 295 / 260 Locking Fuel Cap 15 / 13 Front Floor Mats 30 / 26 Dual Top 1,435 / 1,263 Bodyside Steps 150 / 132 8 gallons gas 0 / 15 Customer Loyalty Mailing 0 / 25 Detroit Metro - PPA/EB-PF 0 / 280 Detroit Metro - DAA 0 / 240 Total 27,305 / 25,517 FFP Price = $25,262 (1% under the FWP "invoice" price above) 6% Sales Tax = $1,515.72 Title $23.00 Total Delivered Price = $26,800 Minus $500 former military Minus $750 (assuming it's still there when the Wrangler is delivered) Minus $1,000 Chrysler Finance (again, assuming they still offer that at deliverly) Out the door price = $24,550 Minimum Chrysler Finance amount needed to get the $1,000 rebate is $2,000 for at least six months. My concern about my price last night was because those gas, customer mailing, PPA, and DAA costs were not figured in the Affiliate Rewards price provided directly from the Jeep website. Their price was 24,722 before rebates, taxes, and fees. My dealers price was $540 over that amount due to those other charges. That's why my antenna went up even though my dealer insisted they have to recoup those charges on "invoice" deals like this. So you know, Jeep website shows the Preferred Discount due to the Affiliate Rewards at $2,583 off the sticker price before rebates. Even if you don't have access to the Affiliate Rewards deal, I hope seeing what I've posted above will show you what you can shoot for if it's better.

Thanks Laura and mac24 for responses. Nice to hear I'm not alone with those "fees", Laura...even though mine are over $200 higher than yours were. My antenna just goes up when my numbers don't match. Mac24...I went in there with a printout from the Jeep website accessed through my company's website with an exact price of $24,722 before rebates/taxes for Unlimited, auto, security, locking fuel cap, mats, dual top, and side steps. The dealer explained the "extras" I hadn't planned on like 8 gallons of gas for $15, customer loyalty mailing for $25, and then the $280 PPA and $240 DAA. He insisted these are all charges the dealer passes along on "under invoice" deals like the Affiliate Rewards program. I like the "no haggle" concept of it but because it was so easy I can't help but think those fees are where they're getting an extra amount of money as iif they're "invoice." The printout he gave me says..."This is not an invoice" so I have to wonder if they're "padding" a bit with some printout program that takes the dealer invoice plus a little extra. He forget to have me sign the order form and waived any good-faith money so I may contact another dealer to see what they quote. I'd hate to turn my back on the dealer that's ordering one for me but I figure it can't hurt to double-check them against another dealer. I'm mainly curious whether others doing "invoice" deals have run into similar charges.