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Re: Bought a Veracruz [djb1969]
by bigjimd2804 on Fri Oct 26 04:59:12 PDT 2007
The fact that a dealer quoted you $250 under invoice right off the bat should tell you something, although the added in fee for advertising is a joke, it is not a real charge. One of the best dealers I have seen that displays pricing online is Fitzmall.com in Maryland. Shop there and you will find 07's going for $1,738 to $2,238 UNDER invoice, and 08's for $1,438 UNDER invoice. I live in Ohio, and a trip to Maryland would be a 500 mile drive, but that didn't stop me from passing along the link to their deal to the local dealers in my area. With very little effort, I had the locals down to $1,200 under invoice for an 08 Limited FWD, where we struck a deal. (I didn't feel a difference of $238 was worth driving 500 miles for, especially since I wanted the local dealer to service my new Veracruz; your mileage may vary. :) I did my entire negotiation by e-mail, sealed the deal with a single phone call, and was in and out of the dealership in 1 hour with my new Veracruz. The sales manager was quick to point out that they had never had a customer present them with a competive deal from "5 states away", but they also stuck to their word on matching any deal I brought in. These dealers are very motivated right now to move cars, at little to no profit because the more they sell now, the larger their allocations of cars will be in the future. They want to build a solid base of new customers at just about any price, so use that to your advantage. Negotiating for a new car is a game, the more knowledge you have going in, the better you will do. Don't be afraid to get up and walk out; your phone will be ringing when you get home with a better deal.
Can we agree on some conventions?
by bigjimd2804 on Wed Sep 26 07:11:31 PDT 2007
I really like this feature of CarSpace, as it is really facilitating some good deals. It would be helpful, however, if we could all agree to include the relevant details, such as sales price, adjustments for trades, documentation fees, incentives you may qualify for (like owner loyalty, competitive owner, etc.) and sales tax. That way we can really see where the market is at. It certainly appears that some dealers are very willing to go at least $1,100 under invoice (with no incentives in the mix)on 2008s. For me, that would be enough incentive to travel 500 miles to buy.(and hopefully motivate a local dealer to match) :)
Re: Amazing [acopsey]
by bigjimd2804 on Thu Sep 13 09:13:11 PDT 2007
Here in NE Ohio, the 08's are still very scarce. Most dealers have quite a few 07's in stock, but no Limiteds. I have been able to get quotes for 2008's at dealer cost without pressing the issue, but so far no one is offering to go UNDER invoice. That $37,200 deal for an 08 Limited AWD is at least $1136 under invoice (assuming no options), which isn't too bad in my book. Those Texas deals posted earlier for $3,000 to $3,800 under invoice sound so good they make me consider jumping on a plane with a one-way ticket! :)
How did you do this?
by bigjimd2804 on Fri Aug 31 05:16:06 PDT 2007
Cheri91 said: I just purchased a 2007 VC LTD FWD with ultimate package and premium leather for $30,500 from a dealer in Austin. The price did include the $500 competitive bonus. According to Edmunds, this was $3,300 under invoice! Can you share any more details on this deal? This is without a doubt the best deal I have ever seen posted! Did you pit one dealer against another? I'm not having too much difficulty in getting dealers to give me an "at invoice" price (which makes me curious as to how much holdback there really is), but even throwing in all the incentives, this is a tremendous deal. Your negotiating tips would be greatly appreciated!
2007 vs 2008 Limited Pricing
by bigjimd2804 on Thu Aug 23 10:08:18 PDT 2007
I've done some comparing of MSRP prices for the 2007 vs 2008 Veracruz and have discovered something interesting. (I pulled my data here: 2008 Veracruz Pricing) For the GLS and SE models, the 2008 models cost $600 more than their 2007 counterparts. This is a reasonable 2 to 2.2% increase. For the Limited, the increase is $1,750, which equates to more than 5%. However, one needs to keep in mind that the 2008 Veracruz Limited adds substantial equipment as standard; essentially everything that was included in the 2007 Ultimate Package (with the exception of the Entertainment Package). Last year, the Ultimate Package (which included the Entertainment Package) cost $1,350 more than the Entertainment Package alone, so the 2008 models now actually include this additional $1,350 in equipment as standard. Subtracting the value of this added equipment from the $1,750 increase for 2008 leaves a change of $400. So while the base price is indeed higher, the net price increase (allowing for the value of the added equipment) is actually less than that of the GLS and SE models. If you wanted the goodies in last year's Ultimate Package on your 2008 Limited (without being forced into the Entertainment Package), the price increase is really not bad at all, in fact, it could be argued that the 2008 Limited actually increased less in price (on a percentage basis) than the GLS and SE. Has anyone out there actually PURCHASED a 2008 yet? I'm curious if the deals which all seem to hover at or below invoice will carry forward into 2008. I anticipate that dealers will not be too interested in substantially discounting their new 2008 inventories until the remaining 2007s are off their lots.

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